Red Bull “very interested in equality” – Ricciardo

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Daniel Ricciardo, Toro Rosso, Spa-Francorchamps, 2013In the round-up: Daniel Ricciardo says he isn’t concerned about not receiving equal treatment compared to Sebastian Vettel if he joins Red Bull next year.

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“I guess I only know what you guys know. Malaysia this year, Silverstone a couple of years ago. But it?s not something that I?m concerned with. From what I hear the team is very much interested in equality.”

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In terms of DRS the 50mm aperture currently allowed whilst the top flap is active will be increased to 60mm as the height of the rear wing will be increased by 20mm overall. Drag will undoubtedly be a significant factor for 2014 as more cooling should be a standard requirement for the teams and cooling apertures equals drag.

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73 comments on Red Bull “very interested in equality” – Ricciardo

  1. TMF (@tmf42) said on 1st September 2013, 8:58

    no matter who joins RBR for next year – it will be no different to what we see at McLaren or Mercedes today in terms of driver equality. imo, Mark had the same problem as Alonso had in 2007. After dominating all his teammates before – a kid comes along and beats him and he couldn’t cope with it. But glad that he didn’t turn too bitter and that I’ll see him next year in the WEC.

    A new driver line-up will reset the politics at RBR and clear the air. If it is RIC who joins VET then I think that RBR will have 1 less problem as both seem to be rather uncomplicated. And hopefully the ridiculous conspiracy theories we have to endure will disappear too.

    • Prisoner Monkeys (@prisoner-monkeys) said on 1st September 2013, 9:17

      I don’t think Alonso’s problem was that he was being beaten by someone younger than him. Rather, the issue seemed to be that he went to McLaren with certain expectations about his status within the team, but then he felt McLaren weren’t supporting him when Hamilton exceeded their expectations. If anybody was to blame for this turn of events, it was Flavio Briatore. Briatore only ever ran a second car because he had to, and pretty much gave Alonso carte blanche to do as he liked. This probably left Alonso with some funny ideas about how a team is supposed to be run.

      • Prisoner Monkeys (@prisoner-monkeys) said on 1st September 2013, 9:22

        As for the “ridiculous conspiracy theories” at Red Bull, remember that Ricciardo has more in common with Vettel than Webber in that he, like Vettel, was supported by Red Bull throughout the junior stage of his career. It’s in Red Bull’s interests to treat Ricciardo more equally than they did Webber, because it will make the Young Driver Program look like less of an expensive waste if time than it actually is, and will give the team ammunition to use against their critics who claim they unfairly favour Vettel.

        • TMF (@tmf42) said on 1st September 2013, 14:09

          @prisoner-monkeys Not sure what you’re getting at but Mark was very vocal on the few occasions of inequality and I think if they’d permanently disadvantage him we’d hear about it (there is no smoke and certainly no fire).
          And why is it that the same people, who think a team would be so stupid to sabotage their number 2, that they are all over RB and not Mercedes – where Rosberg had 3 DNFs a bad call in qualifying and a team order against him?

      • Keith Collantine (@keithcollantine) said on 1st September 2013, 11:33

        @prisoner-monkeys I disagree: If anyone is to blame it’s Alonso for presuming that the team who pitted Lauda against Prost, Prost against Rosberg and Prost against Senna, were going to suddenly give him preferential treatment over a driver who, on paper, he should easily have had the beating of.

        • @keithcollantine interesting coincidence that all of those partnerships you’ve mentioned involve Prost!

          • He was the best driver of his era winning 4 titles and prepared to race alongside strong teammates, while other drivers like Senna won only 3 titles despite having weaker teammates (Prost outscored him in 1988 and would have won 5 titles to Senna’s 2 if not for the bogus points system instituted at that time)

        • Alonso did nt cover himself exactly in glory during his Mclaren days and even being a fan of Alonso could nt stomach some of the things he did ,like the qualifying in Hungary… But we have always heard the story from Mclaren and Ron Dennis post 2007 and Alonso has pretty muck kept quiet about it… I always had the feeling that there is much more to the story than what we have actually heard(maybe Alonso was allowed to leave Mclaren on condition that he would nt talk about the 2007 issues).. On one side Mclaren have had great driver pairings many a times(which is fantastic for the fans) and on the other side many great drivers have walked out from Mclaren so there seems to be something wrong there too.. I am hoping we will get to hear Alonso’s side of the story when he retires and decides to write a book about his F1 days..

        • Prisoner Monkeys (@prisoner-monkeys) said on 1st September 2013, 22:11

          @keithcollantine – We know Alonso isn’t stupid, so the idea that he could fundamentally misunderstand the way McLaren operated all on his own seems out of character. He had to get the idea from somewhere, which is why I think his being the favoured son at Renault skewed his perception of the way a team should be run.

          It was either that, or some kind of implied promise was made by Ron Dennis, and Alonso being unfamiliar with the nuances if Ronspeak, did not realise what Ron had actually said.

      • Briatore only ever ran a second car because he had to, and pretty much gave Alonso carte blanche to do as he liked. This probably left Alonso with some funny ideas about how a team is supposed to be run.

        True. Trulli beat Alonso at Renault in 2004. This upset Alonso, Briatore had a lot riding on Alonso, Briatore invented/created a personality clash/dispute with Trulli and he was duly fired late in the season while leading Alonso in the championship.

    • oliveiraz33 (@oliveiraz33) said on 1st September 2013, 9:24

      Tell me how “uncomplicated” is vettel that spits in his own team, doesn’t follow instructions and actualy creates a sort of very negative image for the brand to a lot of F1 fans (like me)… Vettel wants to win at any costs, runing over anything and anyone, and that alone could be very complicated, because Ricciardo is a young driver with very hight expectations for the future… So it could be explosive…

      Ricciardo is a cool dude, that smiles a lot, but when he opens the mouth, he realy shouts and tells his stuff… Do you guys remember the start of the season How Ricciardo told about his relationship with vergne? and what he told when asked what he thought about Grosjean?
      He’s not a PR puppet, and I like that on him… A cool guy that seems to say what’s in his mind, not what PR wants him to say (vettel cof cof vettel cof cof…)

      • Keith Collantine (@keithcollantine) said on 1st September 2013, 22:34

        @oliveiraz33

        Vettel that spits in his own team

        Complete nonsense.

        doesn’t follow instructions and actually creates a sort of very negative image for the brand to a lot of F1 fans (like me)

        That says nothing about Vettel – that just says “I don’t like Vettel”. It reflects on you, not him.

      • David-A (@david-a) said on 1st September 2013, 22:49

        Tell me how “uncomplicated” is vettel that spits in his own team

        That’s all it took for your post to stop being taken seriously. The very first line.

        • Robbie said on 3rd September 2013, 22:00

          I believe Alonso was part of the MS/Ferrari era and learned that if you wanted to beat that elephant in the room you needed to be the one rooster on the team and have a teammate to not worry about so the team can concentrate on the rooster for the most part. So he got that treatment from Briatore (just as FB gave that treatment to MS at Benetton) and FA has felt it is necessary for ‘success’ ever since, even though he claimed all he was looking for at Mac was ‘equal’ treatment. I put the word ‘success’ in quotes because of my personal opinion that it may be a successful ‘team’ formula in F1 to have a non-competing teammate, but I think it robs we the viewing audience of racing in the pinnacle of racing, and therefore is less ‘successful’ for the audience.

  2. trigger (@trigger) said on 1st September 2013, 9:59

    Giving Ricciardo the seat makes it easy for red bull to give him equality because he will very rarely be anywhere nr Vettel. I have a feeling he will get Massa’d

  3. WilliamB (@william-brierty) said on 1st September 2013, 11:14

    Twaddle. Red Bull are very interested in proving the influence of their backing. In the now almost certain eventuality that Ricciardo joins Vettel there in 2014, Ricciardo would have come full circle, coming through the junior categories, into F1, and into the Red Bull seat all via courtesy of the Red Bull Young Driver Programme. The Young Driver Programme is the key here, because as I type it is experiencing a chronic backlog that threaten’s its very existence. If Red Bull ignore the queue of drivers in its Young Driver Programme by simply selecting Raikkonen, who is arguably the logical option, then what is the point of the Young Driver Programme? Why have there been open rumours flying around that Antonio Felix da Costa is certain for a Toro Rosso next year if Ricciardo is staying put? And is Raikkonen actually the logical option? OK, he is on of the four “superstars” on the grid, and he is apolitical and therefore highly unlikely to stoke up any of the inter-team tension currently rife in Red Bull, but he comes as the finished article, whereas Ricciardo could be moulded into the driver that Red Bull want. And is Red Bull the logical option for Raikkonen? The only thing that is 100% certain about F1 2014 is that the form guide will be different, and in an era where aerodynamic efficiency, the Red Bull’s key strength, is of lesser importance, what is the point of going to a highly intense commercial environment if there is no guarantee of having the best car? Assuming that Massa’s seat is on the market, Raikkonen would be well-advised to return to Ferrari and of the recent rumours I think an Alonso-Raikkonen partnership is one of the more feasible. There is no more debate, the deal is done, and I wish Red Bull could just end this speculation and pretense by announcing Ricciardo’s place in their 2014 team. Maybe at Monza?

    • HoHum (@hohum) said on 1st September 2013, 14:37

      Maybe RBR will announce that they will not be making an an announcement.

    • If you assume that the entire reason for the existence of the Red Bull young driver program is to create F1 champions then by definition it is doomed to failure. Of course, so are all the other young driver programs out there. McLaren’s young driver program has also produced just the one WDC winner.

      I had thought that Ricciardo would get the Webber seat, but the longer this drags out the more likely it seems that Kimi could take it.

      • Robbie said on 3rd September 2013, 22:11

        Who said young driver programs are meant to create Champions? Maybe they’re just there to create solid number 2′s for the teams’ roosters and if a WDC comes out of it that’s just gravy.

  4. PMccarthy_is_a_legend (@pmccarthy_is_a_legend) said on 1st September 2013, 14:07

    I am sure Ricciardo will have equal equipment at Red Bull just as Webber, for the vast majority of his Red Bull career, also had. But once Vettel starts thrashing Ricciardo, as he did with Webber, the team will naturally lean towards him. That’s not favouritism, thats simply how a racing team operates. If Ricciardo wants to have a say inside the team, he has got to start beating Vettel right from the start. Same as Hamilton did in his first season of F1. But I just don’t see it happening…

  5. KiwiUK (@kiwiuk) said on 1st September 2013, 14:43

    @keithcollantine Looks as though Sky are about to drop the Sky Sports F1 channel for HD subscribers ahead of the Italian grand prix. Now need Sky Sports subscription by the sounds of it https://twitter.com/f1broadcasting/status/374158743711121409

    • KiwiUK (@kiwiuk) said on 1st September 2013, 14:55

      Scrap that, looks as though it will still be there for Italian grand prix per this link here though the fact that Sky have changed terms for new subscribers means I suspect the change to take effect by 2014 season at the latest.

  6. tmekt (@tmekt) said on 1st September 2013, 18:45

    I’d like to see Grosjean and Ricciardo in the same team. Toothpaste sponsors would come flying in.

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