Rate the race: 2013 Singapore Grand Prix

2013 Singapore Grand Prix

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218 comments on Rate the race: 2013 Singapore Grand Prix

  1. UTBowler0407 (@utbowler0407) said on 22nd September 2013, 15:10

    Every time I think “well, surely the next race can’t be more boring than that,” it is somehow even more boring. 3/10.

    • I think must have switched off before the last 15 minutes, those did a lot to give it a solid ending

    • Huh? Did you even watch the whole race?

      • UTBowler0407 (@utbowler0407) said on 22nd September 2013, 15:52

        Yes I did, thank you very much. Last 7-8 laps were great, first ~50-55 were horribly boring.

        • I can only agree, but that track is just not prone for a good race. It is sooo hard to overtake on, and if it wasn´t for tires falling of the cliff, and the different strategies, very few overtakes would have been made. Even the DRS was almost without effect this year. 4/10 for me – one big star for alonso’s start, and 3 stars for the last 9-10 laps.

          • Ratboy (@ratboy) said on 23rd September 2013, 0:36

            when David Croft was talking about Webber passing Hulkenberg he said
            “That is his last chance till turn 7 on the next lap” that is a sign of a bad track nearly 9/10 turns of procession before he can press a button to overtake.
            Spa and Monza are good tracks but had dull races, this place hadn’t a hope in shell of being average let alone good. don’t worry though because Korea is next :D the home of motorsport…oh wait

    • ferrox glideh (@ferrox-glideh) said on 22nd September 2013, 16:02

      Aside form watching the safety car for half a dozen laps, what did you find boring? There was always close racing somewhere on track and plenty of random drama on top of a faultless Vettel and a courageous Kimi. 8 out of 10!

  2. 9. That was the best race for ages, lots of action all through the field with the safety car causing the split in strategy and making the second half of the race very entertaining. Whatever you think of Vettel you surely have to marvel at the ridiculous speed he and Red Bull displayed today. I know Rosberg was holding the field up but to pull a 30 second lead in 10 laps or whatever it was was incredible.

  3. Billy (@) said on 22nd September 2013, 15:12

    The multi-billion pound one man show continues. Ferrari, Mercedes, Lotus and McLaren should be ashamed of themselves.

    Formula 1 is Number 1 in raking in money, that’s about it, add the horrible tracks and you have the best Motorsport in the world…;) yeah right. ZZZZzzzzzzZZZZZZ

  4. PhilEReid (@philereid) said on 22nd September 2013, 15:13

    4/10

    The excitement in the final 10 or so laps does not make up for having 50 laps of procession and tyre/heat management.

  5. Paul2013 said on 22nd September 2013, 15:14

    Ha ha, “he made”? You should say “his car”, come the first lap he already had 2 seconds over the following car.

    • I don’t recall WEB using “his car” to do the same!

      • Shreyas Mohanty (@) said on 22nd September 2013, 16:10

        @sankalp88 Vettel is obviously better than Webber. The stark difference between the two owes much to Webber’s poor starts because of which he has the job of recovering and hence a LOT of dirty air – and RBR’s main strength is aero, which is hampered due to a lack of clean air in case of Webber. Vettel, however, is mostly either on pole or on P2, hardly even P3 and he is in the lead within the first 2 laps, thus getting excellent clean air. Vettel is a great driver for not making mistakes – but then, is he really fighting for positions that he will make mistakes? Basically what I am saying is Webber can dominate that way too, if not for his poor starts. Credit where it is due though – Vettel is very consistent.

        • @shreyasf1fan

          but then Webber comes out in clean air after his last pit stop and doesn’t shine either. He didn’t even mount any serious attacks on Alonso in the first couple of laps, and you know Vettel would have (and Alonso would have – Spain being an excellent example of pressuring cars in front and getting past them).

          Webber may be complaining about the tire management, but he’s either fallen off in form (mentally at least), or Vettel really is that much better than him now (being 26, Vettel still is still getting better year after year), or Vettel flatters the RB. Probably a combination of those things.

      • Feuerdrache (@xenomorph91) said on 22nd September 2013, 19:05

        In most people’s mind, Webber must be the worst driver ever in F1 if they call Vettel an average driver in the best car. Can’t explain the logic of other people otherwise.

    • He pushed his car to the very limit. How does that have any less limit than what Raikkonen and Alonso did?

      It’s not Vettel’s fault Alonso and Raikkonen had mediocre qualifying sessions.

    • David-A (@david-a) said on 22nd September 2013, 15:32

      Webber never does the same, Webber beat Rosberg in the same machinery, you work out the rest.

    • That must be why they’ve got Vettel instead of a random nobody who they could pay nothing. Heck, they could put Taki Inoue in the car and he would win. But what does that make Mark Webber, he must be a terrible driver.

    • Eric (@baron-2) said on 22nd September 2013, 15:52

      Yet Webber wasn’t capable of overtaking cars despite the supposedly 2-3 second advantage the car gave him.

      • bosyber (@bosyber) said on 22nd September 2013, 16:16

        Hardly anyone was able to overtake despite a supposedly big advantage, until the end when it became more like 5s a lap though, by which time Webber was trying to nurse that gearbox, so that alone doesn’t mean much @baron-2

        not that I mean to step into the ‘Vettel won because the car is so great’ – if it wasn’t so great he wouldn’t have been over half a minute ahead, sure, but even then, he wouldn’t be 3rd time, going for a 4th, WDC if he wasn’t something special.

    • Luis Conde (@luchingador) said on 22nd September 2013, 16:48

      there are 2 of those cars on track..

  6. maxthecat said on 22nd September 2013, 15:15

    5/10
    I think this year is even duller than Schumacher’s years of domination. It’s almost as though no one wants to race. Next year will be even worse with fuel saving etc. Hopefully Renault will be so fed up with Red Bull side-lining them in team name and sponsor logos they may put their efforts elsewhere.

    • Jonny Edwards said on 22nd September 2013, 15:33

      Its not that they don’t want to race but rather the lack of options to do something different from the opposition. Refueling, no PARC ferme and proper tyres and you would have seen an interesting race today.

      • Refueling would have made the race worse as then all the racing woudl have been done in the pits via the refueling strategy.

        I still fail to understand why anyone would ever want refueling to come back seeing how badly it hurt the racing when we last had it.
        The number of on track overtakes plummeted as soon as refueling was introduced in 1994 & then they shot back up when it was banned & 2010 featured the most on track overtakes since 1989 as a result.

        Everything about refueling in f1 from 1994-2009 was boring, Wathing cars pass in the pits was dull, watching cars sitting in the pits for 10 seconds been refueling was dull & the entire fuel strategy thing was rubbish.
        I’d honestly quit watching f1 rather than have to sit through that agian.

        • Too right Dizzy, Kimi was the only one racing in the 1st. half and he was the 1st. to ruin his tyres, he got lucky with the safety car though, but showed in those 1st. 10 laps that passing is not impossible, it just ruins your tyres.@phillereid, agree with you also.

        • 1994-2009 were some of the best years of F1. Anyone of those years beats 2013 hands down(even 2009) but i suppose that’s a matter of opinion. Anyway, flat-out racing is what the drivers want and i tend to agree with them(see Webber’s post-race comments). For me overtaking created by different fuel strategies is infinitely more interesting that what we saw today, with the drivers on old tyres going up to 3 seconds slower than those on fresher tyres. How is that satisfyingly on ANY level? To make it worst they are DRS assisted. It really is pathetic that this is acceptable to fans.

          In regards to 2010 that was a blip, just one of those great competitive years. Everything after that has been DRS assisted so its pointless to compare earlier years in terms of overtaking.

          • For me overtaking created by different fuel strategies

            But there was hardly any overtaking creating by different fuel strategies because in the refueling days most of the passing was done in the pits.

            Through the refueling-era how many times did the race winner take the lead without having to even try to overtake anyone?
            Races like Schumacher’s 2004 French Gp 4-stop winning strategy was boring, You had the 2 drivers fighting for the lead/win never anywhere close to each other after the 2nd stops as they went onto different strategies & then after the stops ended Schumacher ended up in the lead, No good fight, no on-track overtake, it was dull.

            Many other races similar to that through that era, no on-track fighting/overtaking because it was all fuel strategy & passing via the pit stops & that was zero fun to watch.

            I like watching cars fighting it out on-track, Pushing one another hard & then for any overtaking to be done on the track, Like it used to be Pre-refueling.
            All the focus should be on the on-track product & during the refeuling era the focus was on the pit lane as thats where all the strategy & most of the passing was done.

            I think back to the very 1st race we had refueling at Brazil in 1994, A thrilling on-track fight for the lead between Senna & Schumacher. They take there 1st pit stops with senna leading & Schumacher not far behind, Schumacher comes out the pits ahead & then runs away into the distance & the rest of the race ended up been completely boring.
            That race woudl have been so much better the year before when there was no refueling as the 2 of them woudl have had to fight it out on-track & Schumacher would have had to overtake Senna on the track instead, Much more exciting.

            You only have to look at the overtaking stats to see how much refueling hurt the racing. Pre-refueling overtaking stats were high, In 1994 there was over 100 less on-track overtakes & the figure remained low up until 2010 when the figures shot back upto pre-refueling levels.
            Even taking away all DRS assisted/generated passes, The overtaking stats are still higher than they were during the refueling era & on-par with the pre-refueling stats.

    • Deb Luhi (@debeluhi) said on 23rd September 2013, 9:29

      Infinity is a Nisan brand which in turn is owned (or at least have a controlling stake) by Renault.

  7. Swindle94 (@swindle94) said on 22nd September 2013, 15:15

    Great start, especially by Alonso. Excellent drive by Kimi with a bad back. Last 15 or so laps were great to watch, sadly vettel was perfect and made it boring at the front. 7.

  8. 3/10.

    Low rating not because vettel dominated but simply because it was another ‘tyre management’ race. everyone was cruising around managing tyres, been told not to get too close to the car ahead to help look after the tyres, you had drivers not bothering to fight with other cars so as to not hurt there tyres.

    then at the end you had drivers dropping back like a rock because there tyres hit the cliff. the ‘racing’ seen at the end with drivers on old/new tyres was dull as those on old tyres had nothing to fight with, thats not racing & certainly isn’t fun to watch & the ‘passing’ it produces certainly isn’t exciting to watch either (at least for me).

    then you had the marbles, so many offline that drivers were reluctant to move onto them & they get stuck in the front wings & hinder drivers races.

    bring back hard tyres, tyres that drivers can push on & tyres that drivers can actually race with!

    • bring back hard tyres, tyres that drivers can push on & tyres that drivers can actually race with!

      No thanks.

      Drivers being able to push would not make any difference at all. The cars and circuits are so much easier to drive (on) these days that if you minimized the strategic aspects (which tyre consumption or refuelling brings) there would be no on-track action at all, everyone would get the maximum out of the car and we would see only maybe see some Red Bull – Mercedes battles once a year but that would be it basically. Wouldn’t be much better, in fact, I’ve been rewatching some races from the early to mid 2000s and, to be honest, I’m glad those days are over.

      It’s just a different approach to racing that we have currently and that in itself doesn’t make it any worse. It’s still the best all-round car that wins and I don’t think it’s any different to what we’ve had in the past, now you just have to conserve your tyres much more, which only adds to the sport. …unless of course you think that PUSHING!!!! is the only thing we need.

  9. Nick.UK (@) said on 22nd September 2013, 15:16

    Maybe their all driving 2nd rate cars…

    I rated 3/10. It would have been 1 if not for the last 10 laps, but all that tension was for places that simply didn’t matter in the grand scheme of things. No fight at the front, another tragic display of silly safety car rules and a terrible penalty applied to Hulkenberg. For the record, I would rate it the same if anyone else won that uncontested.

    • I agree today I was only admiring the cars on this special one time setting. The level of traction drive style that Vet and Red and the new Red Pirelis used today made their unbelievable australia pace real for the 61 laps.

  10. 5/10. Good ending, but the winner was never challenged. Vettel is just impressive, isn’t he? how could he pull out a lap 2.2 seconds faster than anyone else after the restart?

    It’s good they got so many fireworks, otherwise none of the drivers would’ve seen them. We did, of course, because the footage showed them while there were battles on track. Obviously, that’s what we want to see… jeez.

    Fantastic drive by Alonso. His start was superb. Hats off to him for trying so hard. But it’ll never be enough. Good drive for Kimi too, considering the characteristics of this track and his bad back, massive effort.

    Anyway, roll on 2014.

  11. David Margono (@woshidavid95) said on 22nd September 2013, 15:17

    6… midfield scrap kept the race alive. The other teams should seriously do something about Vettel’s dominance, it’s becoming such a bore. Grosjean was super unlucky, I felt that should be him at the podium instead of Raikkonen.

    • Dion (@infinitygc) said on 22nd September 2013, 15:59

      Considering he was driving the same car as Raikkonen, and was on more or less the same strategy as Alonso, I wondered where he could’ve finished if it wasn’t for his misfortune…

      • David Margono (@woshidavid95) said on 22nd September 2013, 16:15

        I wouldn’t even call it the same car, it’s been made explicit that Raikkonen gets updates before him (Such as in Sepang and in the FP sessions of Monza) but despite that he has been able to outqualify Raikkonen on merit quite a number of times. At least his Lotus seat for 2014 is more or less safe, but this unfortunate DNF means that Button is right behind him in thr WDC standings.

        • Kimi4WDC said on 23rd September 2013, 2:10

          Grosjean’s seat safe? If I was team principle my hair would raise from the prospects of 2014 after looking at the point difference between Kimi and Romain.

          There is luck issue, but other the season it becomes facts.

        • tmekt (@tmekt) said on 23rd September 2013, 9:34

          @woshidavid95

          Räikkönen does sometimes get updates first but not always. They can sometimes bring the updates only for the other car but I think that’s pretty evenly matched. Romain got the new rear bodywork first (in Silverstone) for example.

          Kimi has been struggling in some qualis for many reasons but he still leads Grosjean on qualification results if I’m not mistaken. Beating Kimi ‘quite a number of times on merit’ doesn’t take away the fact that Grosjean has usually been a disappointment in the race.

          • David Margono (@woshidavid95) said on 23rd September 2013, 9:37

            @tmekt
            Well true, but ever since Germany he has been on pretty good form, although I do understand that it will take more time to improve his reputation; ‘Irv the Swerve’ didn’t become ‘Steady Eddie’ overnight after all.

  12. 7 — VET pretty much walked it. It’s a good thing that WEB-ROS-HAM were out of place at the end. It would have been a dull 5 otherwise!

  13. Vettel was brilliant today but I gotta take my hat off for Red Bull engineering team. Once again, Red Bull buil a great car to start the season and out-developed the rest after the break and are now streets ahead everybody.

    Seb managed to lap 2 seconds faster than Nico at a certain point on same tyres. This is too much. Adrian Newey deserves a Nobel Prize.

    • If Newey had anything to do with it, shouldn’t Webber have been at least a second faster than all the non-Red Bull cars?

      • If Newey had nothing to do with it then why don’t they fire the man – taking up resources and precious sitting places in pit wall. I mean seriously?

      • Chris (@tophercheese21) said on 22nd September 2013, 15:36

        I hate conspiracy theories, but I’m not convinced that Vettel and Webber are driving equal cars.

        No question, Vettel is better than Webber. But he’s not THAT much better. This was an astronomical level of performance. Especially after the safety car was just ridiculous.

        • That’s nonsense. I know it’s hard to accept, but after 3 (soon to be 4) maybe it’s time to accept Vettel is much better than Webber, in the same way Alonso is much better than Massa, Lewis was to Kovalainen.

          About time to get over it.

          • Chris (@tophercheese21) said on 22nd September 2013, 15:46

            @Albert
            I said that Vettel is better than Webber. There’s no refuting it.

            But I dont think he’s THIS much better. This was just crazy.

            Credit to him though. He drove superbly.

          • But I dont think he’s THIS much better

            Correction: You don’t want to think it.

            If I wanted, I could say the same about Alonso: “Since I don’t like him, he CAN’T be that much better than Massa. CONSPIRACY!!!!!!”

            Nonsense.

          • Chris (@tophercheese21) said on 22nd September 2013, 15:58

            @Albert

            I never said I didn’t like Vettel, as you’re implying by trying to put words in my mouth.

          • @tophercheese21
            Regardless, that was just a minor part of the point ;)

          • Chris (@tophercheese21) said on 22nd September 2013, 16:08

            @Albert
            I don’t like Vettle, and I don’t dislike him either. I’m just offering my unbiased opinion.

            You also have to ask, why none of the other members of the “Big 4″ could lap anywhere near Vettels pace?

            Ferrari, lotus and Mercedes aren’t as good as Redbull but many people say that Kimi, Alonso and Lewis are equal, if not better than Vettel.

            So, then why couldn’t Kimi, Alonso or Hamilton lap even in the same stratosphere as Sebastian? Because it’s the same principal.

          • Albert said on 23rd September 2013, 6:16

            @Chris

            So, then why couldn’t Kimi, Alonso or Hamilton lap even in the same stratosphere as Sebastian?

            Because they were on different cars, strategies, tyre saving times and traffic situation. Not too mysterious.

            Last year Hamilton had a couple of dominant wins while Button finished very far away. Sometimes some pilots are just that much better in certain cars and tracks. This is nothing we haven’t seen before.

            Stop the conpiracy nonsense until you something real to show intead of (very) empty speculation please.

        • Billy (@) said on 22nd September 2013, 15:47

          +1 Red Bulls David Coulthard was quick to defend Red Bull from possible conspiracy theories on the BBC when Marks car broke down, again.

        • @tophercheese21 Webber has always been stuck in the traffic, and it’s extremely difficult to pass in Singapore, we saw Di Resta keeping behind Alonso on 15+ laps old supersofts for quite a few laps.
          Of course Vettel is not 2 seconds per lap faster than Webber, I honestly believe that it would have been an easy one-two for Red Bull if Webber had qualified better.

      • @jonsan

        If Newey had anything to do with it, shouldn’t Webber have been at least a second faster than all the non-Red Bull cars?

        You’re right. Adrian Newey has absolutely nothing to with Red Bull being nearly 2 secs a lap faster than any other car.

        I think Vettel designed the upgrades himself in the summer break, and then drove over a sec a lap faster than his teammate in identical machinery

        • @todfod LOL!

          Nobody can deny Vettel’s skills. He’s fast and precise but my fave adage on F1 still is “nobody wins a Formula 1 race in a Fiat Panda”.

          The driver must be good but his talents alone will not make his car the class of the field, that’s why I think Newey and his team deserve our props.

        • iAltair (@ialtair) said on 22nd September 2013, 17:46

          I have to say that this might be true. You always see Vettel in the cockpit looking at things and understanding the car. Who knows he and Newey are the two lead designers?

      • Webber was told to stay 2 seconds back from Nando, it;s the World Tyre Conservation Championship, remember.

      • @jonsan you can say Seb makes the difference because he was much faster than Mark too (who had cars ahead of him) but you cannot ignore the brilliant job of their engineers, I’d eat a shoe if Vettel could be 2 seconds faster than Nico if he was driving Lewis Hamilton’s car.

  14. Chris (@tophercheese21) said on 22nd September 2013, 15:19

    6.
    First 40 laps were rubbish. Last 20 were brilliant.

  15. PeterGH said on 22nd September 2013, 15:19

    this will sadly be the last f1 race i will watch, this year at least because im fedup of the pirelli tyres dominating things with the tyre management been the biggest factor.

    then you have the stupid drs (although today it wasn’t an issue) which in many races makes passing so easy that its dull.

    f1 is no longer fun for me because there is none of the racing i used to love, its all too artificial & way too gimmickey for my liking so now after something like 35 years i will no longer watch.
    i tried to stick with the pirelli/drs/kers era but no its finally killed off my interest in f1, goodbye old friend :(

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