Bianchi and Pic get penalties after reprimands

2013 Korean Grand Prix

Charles Pic, Caterham, Korea International Circuit, 2013Jules Bianchi and Charles Pic will have ten-place grid penalties for the Japanese Grand Prix after collecting their third reprimands of the season.

Both were reprimanded for failing to slow sufficiently when yellow flags were shown during the Korean Grand Prix.

For both, it was their second reprimand of the weekend and their third in total following other infractions earlier this year. They will therefore receive ten-place grid penalties for the next race a Suzuka.

Their team mates Max Chilton and Giedo van der Garde also picked up reprimands after the stewards found they failed to slow sufficiently when the Safety Car was first deployed. Van der Garde was separately cleared of going too quickly through a yellow flag area.

The stewards took no action over two incidents involving Sergio Perez, one involving Felipe Massa and another with Paul di Resta, ruling that “no driver was determined to be wholly or predominantly to blame” for either.

Adrian Sutil was also cleared over his collision with Mark Webber. The stewards ruled the Force India driver “did not brake later than the drivers around him”, adding “his brakes locked causing him to lose control”.

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62 comments on Bianchi and Pic get penalties after reprimands

  1. Bosley (@) said on 6th October 2013, 12:58

    At least the system works…

    • Why wasn’t Sutil punished??? His brakes locking wasn’t a factor out of his control, he could have stopped the brakes locking if he controlled the car better

      I remember Schumacher getting a penalty for locking his brakes and crashing into someone (JEV possibly?) in Singapore last year. Sutill shouldn’t have been let off the hook, he ruined Webbers race.

  2. Funkyf1 (@funkyf1) said on 6th October 2013, 12:59

    Epic fail FIA!

    • PhilEReid (@philereid) said on 6th October 2013, 13:00

      Same penalty as Webber, it’s the penalty that comes with breaking the 3 reprimands rule. What’s the fail, exactly?

      • Funkyf1 (@funkyf1) said on 6th October 2013, 13:08

        @philereid What’s the difference really? The pair that usually start in 19th and 20th drop one grid spot. Not really a penalty is it.

        • PhilEReid (@philereid) said on 6th October 2013, 13:13

          The relative performances of each of the drivers and cars is not a factor, regardless of how much it impacts them. For example, let’s say Massa got a penalty, but he mucked up qualifying and would have started 19th-20th, the penalty would still be the same, but it would have far less impact, and it’s pretty much guaranteed no one would even care that the penalty lacked severity in that situation.

          • Funkyf1 (@funkyf1) said on 6th October 2013, 13:22

            @philereid My point is the penalty is pointless is has no point. In this case, relative performances is a factor, the penalty has no impact on these particular drivers, this will not educate them not to do it again.
            See@BasCB and many other comments below for further reference

          • PhilEReid (@philereid) said on 6th October 2013, 13:28

            @funkyf1 And my point stated that it doesn’t matter that’s it’s pointless, it’s the penalty that’s given as it’s fair to everyone. As I said, no one would even bat an eyelid if say a normally front-running car qualified 20th for some reason, and then the penalty applied afterwards, dropping them 2 positions.
            Also, why should they get a different penalty just because they are further back? And what penalty would they get instead?

          • Funkyf1 (@funkyf1) said on 6th October 2013, 13:36

            Yes it’s fair, but it’s pointless, it’s a bad system as it doesn’t effect everyone in the same way, this a perfect example. The reprimand system is to broad an unworthy.

          • mnmracer (@mnmracer) said on 6th October 2013, 17:40

            You must be from Finland, where fines are based on a person’s income. Otherwise, any sort of legal fine is completely pointless, right?

        • Erick said on 7th October 2013, 1:26

          What places they will going to start next race? 31, and 32?
          they usualy start since 20 until 22 grip place, so what is the penalty?

      • David not Coulthard (@) said on 6th October 2013, 16:58


        It’s a bad system as it doesn’t effect everyone in the same way

        this adjective is what the stewards operate on, so I think the penalty is fair.

        Let’s put it this way: If somebody is sentenced to death and then commits a murder, shouldn’t (s)he be trialled again?

    • Dave (@raceprouk) said on 6th October 2013, 13:14

      I know right? How they expect to get away with applying the rules fairly and consistently?

  3. the_sigman (@sigman1998) said on 6th October 2013, 13:00

    Really? No penalties for Sutil and Massa?

  4. Keith Collantine (@keithcollantine) said on 6th October 2013, 13:00

    Heading into this weekend their average qualifying positions were 19.6 (Bianchi) and 19.7 (Pic) so this isn’t going to hurt them too much…

    • BasCB (@bascb) said on 6th October 2013, 13:14

      Maybe now they will have to stay in Korea and race from the Yeonham track to the harbor and take the boat to Japan to reflect starting 10 spots back their likely qualifying spots of 21st and 23rd for Suzuka.

  5. PhilEReid (@philereid) said on 6th October 2013, 13:03

    Surely Sutil should have got a penalty, especially if Hulkenburg got one last season at Brazil for something similar and far more tricky than what Sutil did. Sutil locked his own brakes… In the dry…causing a collision and gets no penalty? I don’t get it.

  6. Oh my god…

    Max Chilton ‘might‘ start somewhere other than the back row! :O

  7. kcarrey (@kcarrey) said on 6th October 2013, 13:06

    pointless penalties.

    bring back monetary fines, make it suspended monetary fines.

  8. James (@jamesf1) said on 6th October 2013, 13:07

    Is there any point in them attempting to qualify in Suzuka? May as well start from the pit lane…

    • BasCB (@bascb) said on 6th October 2013, 13:15

      I would say it doesn’t matter much either way. They will be the back of the field wether they try or not!

      • Ivan (@wpinrui) said on 6th October 2013, 14:26

        I think they need to get within the 107% so they still need to do a lap.

        • Michael Brown (@) said on 6th October 2013, 15:36

          They don’t need to do a qualifying lap, as long as they are within 107% during any practice session. It still makes more sense to go out anyway.

  9. petebaldwin (@petebaldwin) said on 6th October 2013, 13:25

    Hang on so reprimands for going to quickly under the safety car? Was that whilst they were catching back up to the pack having unlapped themselves? If so, the track would have had to be declared clear for them to do so and therefore, why limit the speed they can catch up!?

    • GeeMac (@geemac) said on 6th October 2013, 13:42

      I’m not sure if it was while they were catching the pack back up, but that is my main gripe with the “lapped cars can unlap” rule, as I understand it they have to still go at the safety car delta time, which means it takes ages for the lapped guys to catch up. By the time the lapped guys are allowed to unlap themselves they should have a good idea of where the danger is, so they should be able to exercise caution at the relevant part/parts of the circuit, and go quicker round the rest of it.

      • Michael Brown (@) said on 6th October 2013, 15:39

        This lapped cars can overtake the safety car rule sounds nice in theory, but it doesn’t work that we’ll in actuality. It makes safety car periods last longer than they should. Why can’t the lapped cars simply drop back to the rear of the queue when there is enough space to do it (like the Korea straight), and the live timing can promote them up a lap?

    • BJ (@beejis60) said on 7th October 2013, 15:40

      Yes, it was for catching up I believe…
      So they were supposed to drive slowly to the back of the pack and run more pointless laps behind the safety car while we struggle to keep our eyes open as viewers? Amazing, lets penalize them!

      inept FIA

  10. GeeMac (@geemac) said on 6th October 2013, 13:31

    And the award for least effective penalty of the 2014 FIA Formula 1 World Championship goes to…

  11. Patrick (@paeschli) said on 6th October 2013, 16:31

    This is all caused by this “lapped cars can unlap” rule. Why can’t they just go slower and let other cars pass until they are last again? That would make sense and be less dangerous.

  12. xbx-117 (@xbx-117) said on 6th October 2013, 17:19

    Now this is how you properly word one of these headlines.

    That being said, the penalties are rather useless but these are the rules and they must be adhered to.

  13. Sutil didn’t get a penalty for that while Hulkenberg got an immediate drive-through penalty in Brazil last year after smacking Hamilton.

    And yeah, I’m still pretty bitter about that.

  14. Kelly (@kelly) said on 8th October 2013, 2:00

    Didn’t Webber set his fastest lap while unlapping himself in Germany?

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