“I got a Pirelli puncture from a Pirelli tyre” – Webber

2013 Korean Grand Prix

Mark Webber, Red Bull, Korea International Circuit, 2013Mark Webber says the fast-wearing nature of Pirelli’s tyres caused the failure seen on Sergio Perez’s car during the Korean Grand Prix.

Webber hit debris from Perez’s tyre shortly after coming out of the pits, forcing him to make an extra stop for tyres.

“I think I got a Pirelli puncture from a Pirelli tyre so… impressive,” said Webber after the race.

“Perez had a tyre explosion which, yeah, wasn’t nice, I just missed the debris from the tread of the tyre.

“I hear that he got a puncture because he locked up but we’re locking up because there’s no tread on the tyres. The tyres are wearing out that fast you can’t brake deep anyway.”

Tyre preservation was particularly during the race, Webber added: “There’s so much pace management going on, all the drivers are looking after the tyres.”

Perez said had done more than half the race distance on his set of medium tyres before his front-right failed as he accelerated towards turn three.

“I did 28 laps with that tyre,” said the McLaren driver. “Sometimes I was braking earlier sometimes later.”

He added there was no further indication what had caused the failure: “All of a sudden I have the lock-up and then after turn one the tyre just explode, broke the front wing and damaged some other parts of the car.”

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104 comments on “I got a Pirelli puncture from a Pirelli tyre” – Webber

  1. nico (@bhushan) said on 6th October 2013, 14:08

    Dont you think that pirelli should get a reprimand from stewards like never coming back in f1. Pirelli have spoilt racing.

  2. Kelsier (@kelsier) said on 6th October 2013, 14:08

    Pirelliception

  3. SeaHorse (@seahorse) said on 6th October 2013, 15:24

    Dear Paul Hembery, Should we now ask 21 drivers on the grid to go and ask the soon-to-be-four-times-champion how does the Pirelli tyres work for him?

    Sincerely,
    An F1F

    • obviously said on 6th October 2013, 15:49

      “It’s quite easy” responded Vettel. “You first have to make sure you have a car that is few seconds per lap faster than any other, but only if it were mounted on a last year’s tire. Then, you moan and moan until they give you the tire you are faster at, despite sabotaging many other teams that actually made cars fast on this year’s tire. Then, when they screw up everyone by bringing you the tires that you like better, you can afford to reap the fruits of your failure, because your inability to make the car suit current tires suddenly becomes advantage, since the last year’s tires are a perfect fit for you, while at the same time a handicap for those who were actually maximizing the current tires. After that, when you have 4 seconds per lap advantage, you can afford to back off and cruise at around 2 seconds per lap faster than anyone else, and not stress the tires too much.
      And that’s how you win in F1.”
      “It’s all down to driver” said Vettel proudly, while hanging his balls in a pool.

      • Keith Collantine (@keithcollantine) said on 6th October 2013, 16:47

        moan until they give you the tyre you are faster [on]

        I see a lot of people repeating this mantra in the hope it will make more people believe it is true when it isn’t.

        Before Silverstone Pirelli wanted to avoid making changes to the tyres precisely because it would be seen as helping Red Bull:

        Pirelli keen to avoid claim of Red Bull favouritism

        After Silverstone they were changed on safety grounds:

        Kevlar belt tyres for Germany, new tyres for Hungary

        Given the tyre explosions seen at Silverstone I don’t think it’s unreasonable the tyres were changed. Even teams like Lotus who stood to lose out from the change welcomed the move because it was the reasonable thing to do under the circumstances.

        Not to mention you ignore the fact that Vettel was leading the championship even before the tyres were changed.

        • SeaHorse (@seahorse) said on 6th October 2013, 18:56

          What is wrong with Pirelli? Last year Pirelli went too conservative towards the final phase of the championship stating they did not want to interfere in the championship. Yet they went too aggressive with the 2013 tyres be it the compounds or the construction. The contradiction between these two logics brings to the fore the inconsistency in their vision.

          When the tyres were exploding in Silverstone, the teams agreed to change the tyres on safety grounds and it was assumed everything was fine since no more delaminations / explosions were experienced until today. And when Fernando criticized the current tyres, Hembery advises him to take tips from the-soon-to-be-four-times-champion and all of the world is presented with another delamination which again causes another puncture (‘rubber hitting rubber and causing puncture’ as Webber says). And this happens especially after all the tyre test Pirelli had with Ferrari, Mercedes and Redbull and at the YDT!!! They can’t blame the old Lotus or insufficient testing with a proper car representative of current year car.

          There are two possible conclusions to this viz. either Pirelli do not know how to make a proper tyre or they are trying to fool everyone of us. The first one is that they have poor system of quality control and get a handful percentage of their output as substandard, which result in explosion / delaminations (obviously not everyone has had it). The second is that they are pretending to be neutral while they tend to side with some/one team. Going by the way Hembery and Pirelli have been reacting it is very suspicious they are doing anything good and just. And I feel their claim that they wanted to avoid being considered as favouring Red Bull is just hogwash. Does the FIA check the quality of the tyres or the construction, compounds etc. of it, every race? If not, they could even have altered the tyres (or the process of manufacturing them) for Silverstone to ultimately favour Red Bull without being considered to be doing so. Who knows? In that case it is immaterial as to who led the championship at that time, isn’t it @keithcollantine

          • Albert (@) said on 6th October 2013, 19:57

            @seahorse

            If not, they could even have altered the tyres (or the process of manufacturing them) for Silverstone to ultimately favour Red Bull without being considered to be doing so.

            Let’s think about this a but more carefully, shall we:

            First, you need to think about why is Pirelli in the sport to begin with, besides the money of the deal: publicity. Do you think exploding tyres make for a good company image? Pirelli was the subject of ridicule for weeks after the incident. Do seriously think they would put themselves in such a situation to benefit Red Bull? It’s a very illogical thing to say.

            Secondly, F1 teams are not filled by hobby mechanics, but by some of the very best engineers in the world. Do you honestly thing they didn’t investigate the tyres after the explosions? Do you honestly thing they wouldn’t have found out if something was amiss?

            Third: You do realize that exploding tyres could have had very serious (even fatal) consequences, right? So you’re accusing Pirelli of intentionally putting lives in danger. Think carefully about the implications that that has.

            Fourth: Assuming Pirelli did all that, why would they choose to benefit Red Bull, of all teams? They have HUGE deals outside F1 with McLaren, Ferrari and Mercedes, why would they side with the less suitable for them?

            So, according to you, Pirelli intentionally put lives in danger, made themselves the laughing stock of the people they try to market themselves to, no team even noticed, just for Red Bull to win a championship they were alreading leading.

            I think you need to think this a bit more carefully.

        • JimmyPuc said on 7th October 2013, 7:35

          Even teams like Lotus who stood to lose out from the change welcomed the move because it was the reasonable thing to do under the circumstances.

          Pedro de la Rosa comments the races on sunday in spanish TV. When the main commenter complained about the tyre change (because, according to him, it has fatally hurt Alonso’s chances to be WDC), he asked DLR’s opinion. Pedro first said that he didn’t want to comment, but when pushed, he answered “After Silverstone, those tyres (old 2013’s with steel belt) just had to go”.

  4. medman (@medman) said on 6th October 2013, 17:35

    F1 is a complete joke. The drivers have been turned into the world’s highest payed babysitters, looking after the stupid tires lap after lap, week after week. This is not racing. And next year, the idiots in control think V6 turbos rated at 600 hp are the way to go. This sport becomes more unwatchable every week. I love motorsport, so I’m not sure if I will ever stop watching completely, but I find I get absolutely no enjoyment from watching these Formula 1 races anymore. The drivers are rendered impotent by the technical regulations. Time to get rid of the bozos in charge and re-introduce engineering innovation to F1.

  5. Millirem (@millirem) said on 6th October 2013, 18:36

    Is everyone so obtuse? Pirelli is simply making the tire that they were asked to make. This isn’t a Pirelli issue, its an FIA/FOM issue. Get your criticism directed at the culprit instead of the scapegoat.

    • Albert (@) said on 6th October 2013, 19:58

      This. Many times this.

      • AdamB said on 6th October 2013, 22:00

        Butr Pirelli are the one’s making the tyres, There designing the compound & the construction.

        The FIA or whoever asked Pirelli to design tyres that wore to create varied strategy & in 2011 the did this & did a decent job of it
        In 2012 it was Pirelli & Pirelli alone that decided to make more knife edge tyres which had a smaller operating window & for 2013 it was Pirelli & solely Pirelli that added steel belts, changed the construction & decided they wanted more thermal degredation.

        Bernie said not long ago that Pirelli were not doing what they were asked to do-
        “The tyres are wrong, not what we intended when we asked Pirelli to produce something which did a half race ,” he told the Daily Express.”
        http://www1.skysports.com/f1/news/12475/8712379/bernie-ecclestone-suggests-pirelli-not-hitting-remit-with-controversial-2013-tyres

        Pirelli & Pirelli alone are to blame for the rubbish tyres they create which do nothing but force drivers to run tyre management races.
        Pirelli should be embarrassed & ashamed at how much of a joke there tyres have been in 2012/13 & to be frank I hope they lose the tyre tender when its opened up again next year, They deserve to be forced out of the sport for good!

        • Albert (@) said on 6th October 2013, 22:15

          You can’t ask for high-degrading tyres, which is what Ecclestone did, and not expect things to go out of control when you have such a restrictive and limited test policy, as the FIA/FOM currently have.

          Make no mistake, engineering is some magic lamp to which you make a list of what you want and it happens. If Ecclestone wants very specific things, then he should allow Pirelli to test the tyres as much as they want/need to.

        • I agree the 2011 tires were the best tires Pirelli produced for F1 in their three years. I don’t like it when the drivers have to save the tires all the time

  6. Shreyas Mohanty (@) said on 6th October 2013, 18:47

    I see many people bashing Webber for his comments. He is right though, Pirelli have properly messed their tyres up. And I wonder why Vettel wasn’t criticised for his comment that was an absolute disrespect for other team’s staff and efforts. Yeah, your team gave you a brilliant car as usual ( kudos to RBR’s brilliance for that), now why don’t you just keep silent and win without a challenge?

  7. Shreyas Mohanty (@) said on 6th October 2013, 18:52

    And am I the only one who thinks Hembery is getting a bit too big for his shoes – insulting one of the best and one of the most experienced drivers on the grid?

  8. matt90 (@matt90) said on 6th October 2013, 18:52

    Using the Hembrey school of responding to criticism, perhaps Webber should ask his soon-to-4-time-world-champion team mate for advice on how to not get a puncture.

  9. David-A (@david-a) said on 6th October 2013, 19:13

    Recipe for better racing:

    1. Produce Bridgestone 2010-esque durable tyres
    2. Get rid of the “use 2 compounds per-race” rule, eliminating mandatory pitstops
    3. Get rid of the “top 10 start on qualifying tyres” rule
    4. Bring hard, medium, soft and super-soft tyres to each weekend, for greater variance in tyre strategy
    5. Get rid of DRS

    • Albert (@) said on 6th October 2013, 19:44

      This. Even if we get less “spectacular” races, drivers would be pushing to the max, teams would be free to create actual strategies and we’d see fewer but actual skill-based passes.

  10. I think that the criticism to Pirelli’s tyres is a bit unfair at the moment. I agree that the tyres degrade too fast, but that’s what Pirelli was asked to do, it’s not their fault.
    The two punctures we saw today were nothing unusual, in my opinion. Perez had a huge lock up in turn 1, the tyres were old, it was too much for his front right. It’s true what Webber says, the drivers lock up because there’s no tread left on the tyre, but it’s the consequence of the extreme approach on tyre degradation.
    Webber had a puncture because there were a lot of debris, it’s normal to have a puncture in such situations.

    • AdamB said on 6th October 2013, 22:08

      but that’s what Pirelli was asked to do, it’s not their fault.

      by all accounts they were not asked to go anywhere near as extreme as they have gone since 2012.

      In 2011 the tyres were not so bad, They didn’t get many complaints because of it.
      In 2012 & again in 2013 Pirelli decided to change everything about the tyres & its this which has caused all the problems.
      The 2012 tyres turned the season early on into a lottery & the 2013 tyres have been pathetic & turned f1 into ‘formula pirelli tyre manage championships’.

  11. Dion (@infinitygc) said on 6th October 2013, 22:06

    Webber shows some brand-loyalty!

  12. kbdavies (@kbdavies) said on 6th October 2013, 22:33

    Pirelli has already responded to Sergio Perez’s delamination as expected. Here is part of what they had to say. Absolutely priceless!
    “We’re obviously on exactly the same construction as we raced here last year, so there’s no underlying problem, while flat spots or punctures have just always been an integral part of racing.”.

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