Rate the race: 2013 Korean Grand Prix

2013 Korean Grand Prix

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  1. Good race.

    Vettel was excellent, but boring. Everything else behind him was great.

  2. Fer no.65 (@fer-no65) said on 6th October 2013, 8:49

    I’m glad I watched it in the end.

    Interesting race, even if there were bits when things really got weird and dangerous. Again.

    But the last 15 laps were spectacular. Hulk, you drove a World Champion race. It was just superb. I got no other words for it. Illuminating.

    • Patrick (@paeschli) said on 6th October 2013, 9:15

      Hulkenberg clearly had a superb weekend, Ou-qualified his team-mate and brings his team before Toro Rosso in the constructors champpionship!

    • Mark (@marlarkey) said on 6th October 2013, 9:17

      It was a pretty dulll race apart from the closing laps…. the finale was good but imo it doesn’t make up for the rest of a dull lshow

    • HoHum (@hohum) said on 6th October 2013, 9:34

      “Last 15 laps were spectacular” Right Bernie, forget the sprinklers just bring out the safety car so we can have a 15 lap sprint to the finish, everybody on the same strategy and no-one trying to save tyres, pity we can’t devise a way for that to happen right from the start, there must be a way, but no it’s obviously impossible.

      • David not Coulthard (@) said on 6th October 2013, 11:08

        forget the sprinklers just bring out the safety car

        It’ll be a bit like the start of last season. Unpredictable, but tiring.

        Besides, F1’s not NASCAR (or was it IndyCar?), NASCAR’s not bad, but it’s not like F1 cars should race at Brooklands, either.

    • JCost (@jcost) said on 6th October 2013, 10:06

      Yes. Good race, in part thanks to Safety Car and Mercedes poor strategy. Another great show from Nico Hulkenberg. Lotus should put him alongside Grosjean and if they manage to build a good car for 2014, Lotus will do just fine without Raikkonen.

  3. PhilEReid (@philereid) said on 6th October 2013, 8:49

    9/10 Fantasic. Started as a 7/10 at the first SC, and then since then it’s been spectacular! Fantastic stuff! If Korea can do that every year, I welcome a return, otherwise though, it’s not worth it.

    Driver of the day? Hulkenburg. Monster stuff! Shout out to Kimi and Vettel as well, with some good defensive driving from Hamilton. Fairly disappointing for Alonso too.

  4. What absolutely fantastic drive from HĂĽlkenberg! Driver of the weekend for me!

    Overall, that was a really good race. I’d give it an 8 – it was slightly mediocre before the first safety car but Webber provided some action in the intervening period.

    The main focus has to be what the **** the Marshall’s were thinking by driving that Fire Car onto a live racetrack with no yellow flags and no safety car. That was unbelievably stupid – I will not buy any argument to try and claim a communication error, that was just completely stupid. If it had been released on corner exit, Vettel could’ve plowed right into the back of that at 150mph. Ridiculous.

    • Chris Yu Rhee (@chris-yu-rhee) said on 6th October 2013, 8:57

      I think they released it because there was enough of a gap for the drivers to realize it was there and Webber’s car had an oil fire-very serious and can be difficult to put out, so they needed the equipment.

      • There should’ve been yellow flags at the very least – double waved yellows. Drivers still technically could’ve been racing and trying for overtakes, which is ridiculous. Very poor race organisation.

        • tmekt (@tmekt) said on 6th October 2013, 9:32

          I think the safety car was deployed in the exact same time, so no one should’ve been racing anymore after the first corner. There were SC signs right after the second corner, but the ones on the main straight weren’t flashing yellow yet.

          • @tmekt it’d be best if we could follow somebody onboard (probably Vettel, the leader) from the start of that lap, to see exactly what a driver would have seen. Then it would be easier to judge.

            Regardless though, that was a pretty crucial operational error which shouldn’t have happend, and definitely needs looked at.

          • tmekt (@tmekt) said on 6th October 2013, 9:53

            @vettel1

            Don’t they get notification on their steering wheels as well about the safety car?

            I agree, not the best way to do things in terms of safety but I think big part of the fault goes to the track marshalls as well, it took unacceptable amount of time for them to even begin putting out the fire on Webber’s car. The marshalls in Korea seem to be pretty clueless anyway, like last year when it took something like 10 laps to move Rosberg’s parked (right in front of a safety exit) Mercedes away from the longest straight.

          • @tmekt they do, but the decision didn’t go through the race director. So it might not have, which is why I think we need to see an onboard.

          • Mike Dee (@mike-dee) said on 6th October 2013, 9:59

            I think the safety car was deployed in the exact same time

            Definitely not. There was the camera shot where we could see the Jeep on the straight with Vettel turning onto the straight. The track status only changed to “safety car” a few seconds after that. I assume the race director was watching the world feed, and only then saw the fire truck and then reacted with a safety car. I would believe that there was no communication between race control and the fire truck.

            @tmekt @vettel1

        • Although in fairness they did wave the white flags.

    • Krichelle (@krichelle) said on 6th October 2013, 8:57

      Gave it an 8, mainly for the entertainment that Hulk provided. I mean, Hamilton and Alonso couldn’t get pass him on the DRS zone. That jeep was kind of shocking to see eh. If:

      -Vettel wins in Japan and Alonso out of the points, GAME OVER.

  5. Albert (@) said on 6th October 2013, 8:50

    8. Very good race. Vettel and Hulkenberg superb, very (and lucky) drive from Raikkonen. Very good fights for 4,5,6. Bit disappointing from Hamilton and Alonso.

    • Michael (@freelittlebirds) said on 6th October 2013, 17:57

      I agree the results for Hamilton were disappointing but I wouldn’t say the way he drove was disappointing – his last 10 laps were insane.

      I’m a huge Hulkenberg fan but this display from Hamilton was simply vintage Hamilton.

      He defended perfectly against Alonso to the point that Alonso decided not to even bother pressing the issue until the last lap.

      And he put so much pressure on Hulkenberg managing even to pass him which I can assure no other driver on the grid would have been able to do in that car.

      Hulk took the spot back with superb ease showing the vast difference in performance between the Sauber and Merc off turn 1.

  6. OmarR-Pepper (@omarr-pepper) said on 6th October 2013, 8:50

    hulk made this race worth watching

    • Mclarengal (@mclarengal) said on 6th October 2013, 20:35

      Totally agree! Driver of the weekend for me. Sincerely hope the big teams eventually take notice of him – he may not have the financial backing, but, my goodness, he has the talent.

      • Todfod (@todfod) said on 7th October 2013, 10:33

        I dont even think financial backing is an issue.

        Apparently his size is what makes him less attractive to teams for 2014. It’s sad, but true that you have to be the size of Felipe Massa for next year’s cars.

  7. Delta Golf Sierra (@cumulonimbus) said on 6th October 2013, 8:51

    Not much action near the front, but some great battles midfield. Hulkenberg’s driving was spectacular. 6/10

  8. bezza695 (@bezza695) said on 6th October 2013, 8:51

    8/10 DRS wasn’t overpowered and did the job it was supposed to do which is give a chance for overtaking rather than be the overtake and Nico Hulkenberg drove beautifully.
    But I still don’t know what Mercedes were smoking when Hamilton was LOSING 1.5-2.5 seconds per lap and they chose not to pit him then Rosberg’s front wing failed which meant Hamilton had to stay out again

    • bezza695 (@bezza695) said on 6th October 2013, 8:54

      Oh and I forgot on this day Paul Di Resta lost his F1 seat I think

      • @bezza695 I have to agree – he’s really been pretty awful since the tyre change. And if he blames the team (or even doesn’t admit to his mistake) I swear I will lose all faith in him.

        Sincerely, a Di Resta fan.

      • Jeanrien (@jeanrien) said on 6th October 2013, 9:13

        @bezza695 Yep time for Force India to rethink their line up, neither of them have been impressive lately (or in the wrong way) … Probably the worst line up of the grid at this time.

        • Patrick (@paeschli) said on 6th October 2013, 9:18

          Their first half of the season was impressive but now they are just making themselves ridiculous. At least one of these two guys will lose their seat at the end of the season.

      • Iestyn Davies (@fastiesty) said on 6th October 2013, 9:47

        Mercedes were caught between strategies, because Lewis lost his tyres behind Grosjean and trying to get by him. They could have converted to an attacking 3 stop (last stint fast super soft), but it would have required passing guys like Hulkenberg at some point most probably. So, they stuck it out and then the Rosberg wing/SC hampered them (not as much as Webber, Ricciardo though) to be passed by Hulk anyway.

        Force India are struggling to heat up their tyres now and no tyre temp = spin off, as both drivers did today. If I was them I would have blocked the tyre change and laughed all the way to the bank (McLaren wouldn’t have been happy if FI cost them CWC places 2 years in a row!). Now, they are under threat from a resurgent Sauber and DWC in waiting Hulk. If they need money, there is always Massa to go alongside a Mercedes subsidy driver… (if Massa gets the Lotus seat, then Hulk is probably back in here instead).

        Grosjean loses out to Raikkonen again after a SC deplyment, and another legitimate shot at winning a race (Germany he could have gone longer than Vettel as well before the SC). It’d be interesting to see Hulkenberg and Grosjean take it to RB consistently in a Lotus.

        • Iestyn Davies (@fastiesty) said on 6th October 2013, 10:10

          I’m still upset that Hulkenberg had a legitimate race win taken away by a NASCAR ‘debris’ style caution in Brazil… it did spice up the championship fight a little though with Alonso getting into a position to win it, barring Vettel’s resurgent drive. How his car withstood the impact, while Webber’s caught fire from a slight bump today is perplexing (and probably down to luck with where components are located).

          Grosjean could have a win too by this point, with a few chances lost to a SC to duel Vettel for a win.. Lotus could be really strong next year with these two. This could save Di Resta’s bacon at Force India – Vijay always insists he doesn’t need to take a sponsored driver (just pays his drivers the least of any team instead, but takes a good talent to compensate for this).

          Would have been interesting to see even more tyre blow-outs on the old tyres (there’ll be criticism for this latest blow-out, but without aggressive tyres the race would have been a processional borefest). The teams should pass this weight increase to even out the playing field for drivers, if agreed to bring it back down later once development renders it useless.

          • smokinjoe (@smokinjoe) said on 6th October 2013, 11:25

            The teams should pass this weight increase to even out the playing field for drivers, if agreed to bring it back down later once development renders it useless
            If the weight issue is not sorted out it could be a big disadvantage for both button and hulk as they are more then 70 kilos

          • Tomsk (@tomsk) said on 6th October 2013, 23:25

            Won’t the car weights come down anyway, as the engine manufacturers develop and lighten parts in the power units? Then there’ll be more underweight cars with ballast, and driver weight would become less important.

            But surely teams would rather have a guy doing what Hulkenberg did today than a midget who crashes all the time…

            Grosjean needs to be more awake at restarts. He can see Raikkonen’s data to show him how it’s done.

    • 72defender (@72defender) said on 6th October 2013, 9:03

      Inexcusable on Mercedes’ part. Lap after lap he was losing massive amounts of time and how did they not compute he had to pit immediately.

      • Krichelle (@krichelle) said on 6th October 2013, 9:22

        @72defender
        I wonder, if Hamilton pitted on lap 25-28 at least in my estimation… Could he have taken the lead if the safety car came out? Cause Vettel, Grosjean had not pitted yet at that point. In fact, they pitted exactly when the SC came out.

    • Krichelle (@krichelle) said on 6th October 2013, 9:17

      @bezza695
      Lewis said: “I went through the graining phase, but when it went away, the RIGHT FRONT TYRE just completely went away.”

    • DRS was key today. If it had been implemented incorrectly (as it has been at most race circuits) than Hamilton would of had an easy pass on Hulk. Instead we got a great battle with Hulk successfully defending his position (a rarity in itself these days). Some great racing today 8/10.

      • Krichelle (@krichelle) said on 6th October 2013, 14:34

        @racectrl Not really… What was helping Hulk a lot, was his traction on the first corner. That can be the reason why he has been quick in S1 all weekend, and that Alonso and Hamilton couldn’t ditch him. The DRS was fine today, and Hamilton had one shot at Hulkenberg at lap 40 something and didn’t do it.

        • Good traction certainly helped yet Lewis still got very very close and even passed him at one stage so the way i see it a more effective DRS zone i.e longer, would have meant Lewis finishing ahead of Hulk. That’s the point i was trying to make.

          • Krichelle (@krichelle) said on 6th October 2013, 17:52

            @racectrl Lewis passed him onto turn 1. But, remember, that the 2nd drs detection point was 10% down the 1.2 km straight. Then, the activation was on almost halfway down the straight. So, I knew that when I saw Lewis overtook him into turn 1 that Lewis did a mistake and should have waited for the second drs zone cause Hulk’s got everything he needs in S1. In fact, what Mercedes did to Lewis and letting him stay out for 5 laps cost him the podium fight. He lost 22 secs to Vettel and 13 secs to Rosberg. Disappointing weekend for the 2 good friends.

    • matt90 (@matt90) said on 6th October 2013, 16:43

      DRS only wasn’t overpowered depending who used it. Seeing Hamilton trying and failing for so long at the end skews it a bit, as he was in one of the cars with a poor first sector and against one of the cars with best traction. As always, I saw a few cars earlier in the race pass too easily, and when Hamilton did pass into the first corner the combination or traction and DRS meant Hulkenberg got the place back easily. That is the fundamental problem with DRS- there is no sweet spot because the cars have different strengths.

  9. Swindle94 (@swindle94) said on 6th October 2013, 8:52

    8
    Too much tire management at the beginning to be any better. Hulkenburg was great defending for nearly the entire race. Poor luck for webber who was doing well after the penalty. Great last 15 or so laps.

  10. Great drive by the Lotus boys, and good old Button manages again to get into the points in a lousy car, but what was that business with the fire car impeding things on the track, bad organisation there! Oh and Paul Di Resta isn’t as good as the Beeb comentators make him out to be< Poor Massa and Webber… a grand drive by Seb.

  11. dutch in sweden (@dutch-in-sweden) said on 6th October 2013, 8:52

    7 thanks to Hulkenberg.

  12. Peter Hatch (@cntchds) said on 6th October 2013, 8:53

    There was a lot of good racing that happened today. 2/3 scrap was close, but 4/5/6 and 7/8 were all really good to watch, and kept the race worth watching. Plenty of drama, without doubt.

  13. Nick (@npf1) said on 6th October 2013, 8:54

    Went with an 8, racing wasn’t that amazing, but plenty of things happening and great driving from the Hulk.

  14. Chris Yu Rhee (@chris-yu-rhee) said on 6th October 2013, 8:54

    Good race (behind Vettel), again it was all about tire management. The track is too left-turn dependent. You could feel the chill in the green room after the race-Vettel taking a drink so he doesn’t have to talk, and Kimi just sitting on the table. LOL

  15. Fixy (@fixy) said on 6th October 2013, 8:55

    8/10
    Because it was entertaining. From half-race onwards, yes. Because of the Safety Car, yes. Because of ridiculous tyres and stupid cars on track, yes. But for whatever reason, alongside a few great battles in the first half of the race, we had even better ones in the second half. Massa, Gutierrez, Maldonado and Perez were one. Hulkenberg, Hamilton and Alonso were another. In the latter the positions did not change, but everything was so tense until the very last moment. Nothing was quiet, everything was moving around, even though, eventually, it returned to its original place. Proper defensive driving despite the DRS was great to see. We always want more overtakes but in the current situation with DRS I prefer seeing drivers defend at their maximum. Hamilton had the chances to pass and even got ahead once, so it wasn’t at all a boring situation.
    The first half of the race actually had me distracted by anything else, because everything was ready to burst out but never did.

    • Patrick (@paeschli) said on 6th October 2013, 9:22

      Proper defensive driving despite the DRS was great to see.

      Yeah, I was a bit suprised that something like this could actually happen! HĂĽlkenberg straight-line speed is what saved him today. Great drive from him today, definitely deserves a top team: he made us dream today!

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