Rate the race: 2013 Korean Grand Prix

2013 Korean Grand Prix

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  1. Good race.

    Vettel was excellent, but boring. Everything else behind him was great.

    • bosyber (@bosyber) said on 6th October 2013, 9:04

      Well said, that noone could fight with Vettel was the only not super part about this race. 4-5 person fights for 10th and 4th lasting many laps (that last one basically the whole race).

    • HoHum (@hohum) said on 6th October 2013, 9:29

      Great for all the wrong reasons.

      • John H (@john-h) said on 6th October 2013, 19:53

        Agreed. Basically the safety cars generated the racing after lap 2. So basically a tyre failure and a Jeep on the track. It may have been good to watch, but its Mariokart entertainment.

    • JCost (@jcost) said on 6th October 2013, 10:02

      If the battle for P4 was for P1, I’d rate it 10. I liked the race, but F1 needs more battle for the win. It’s an 8 for me.

    • Alberto said on 6th October 2013, 15:22

      Who could’VE TELL !

    • Luca Nuvolari (@nuvolari71) said on 6th October 2013, 15:45

      Agree 100%. Some race from Hulk and Kimi!

      • Lucas Wilson (@full-throttle-f1) said on 6th October 2013, 16:10

        I accidently (HATE IT WHEN THIS HAPPENS) who won. I thought it was going to be another boring win. Ok, no one challenged for the lead, but what a great set of battles, it was truly amazing to watch.

        I feel I echo many peoples thoughts when I say “Give Hulkenberg a top seat” I have been a fan of The Hulk since the 2010 Brazil GP, he is truly extraordinary, he has to be WDC someday.

      • Michael (@freelittlebirds) said on 6th October 2013, 17:59

        I don’t know how Kimi got P2… I wouldn’t say great race, great result for sure but he didn’t make it happen. If he had passed Alonso, I would have been very impressed but he didn’t even for a split second and I think the Lotus had the pace to do it.

  2. Fer no.65 (@fer-no65) said on 6th October 2013, 8:49

    I’m glad I watched it in the end.

    Interesting race, even if there were bits when things really got weird and dangerous. Again.

    But the last 15 laps were spectacular. Hulk, you drove a World Champion race. It was just superb. I got no other words for it. Illuminating.

    • Patrick (@paeschli) said on 6th October 2013, 9:15

      Hulkenberg clearly had a superb weekend, Ou-qualified his team-mate and brings his team before Toro Rosso in the constructors champpionship!

    • Mark (@marlarkey) said on 6th October 2013, 9:17

      It was a pretty dulll race apart from the closing laps…. the finale was good but imo it doesn’t make up for the rest of a dull lshow

    • HoHum (@hohum) said on 6th October 2013, 9:34

      “Last 15 laps were spectacular” Right Bernie, forget the sprinklers just bring out the safety car so we can have a 15 lap sprint to the finish, everybody on the same strategy and no-one trying to save tyres, pity we can’t devise a way for that to happen right from the start, there must be a way, but no it’s obviously impossible.

      • David not Coulthard (@) said on 6th October 2013, 11:08

        forget the sprinklers just bring out the safety car

        It’ll be a bit like the start of last season. Unpredictable, but tiring.

        Besides, F1’s not NASCAR (or was it IndyCar?), NASCAR’s not bad, but it’s not like F1 cars should race at Brooklands, either.

    • JCost (@jcost) said on 6th October 2013, 10:06

      Yes. Good race, in part thanks to Safety Car and Mercedes poor strategy. Another great show from Nico Hulkenberg. Lotus should put him alongside Grosjean and if they manage to build a good car for 2014, Lotus will do just fine without Raikkonen.

  3. PhilEReid (@philereid) said on 6th October 2013, 8:49

    9/10 Fantasic. Started as a 7/10 at the first SC, and then since then it’s been spectacular! Fantastic stuff! If Korea can do that every year, I welcome a return, otherwise though, it’s not worth it.

    Driver of the day? Hulkenburg. Monster stuff! Shout out to Kimi and Vettel as well, with some good defensive driving from Hamilton. Fairly disappointing for Alonso too.

    • PhilEReid (@philereid) said on 6th October 2013, 9:39

      Looking back, it was probably an 8/10, but the last few races (and generally this year) have been pretty poor, so this was a welcome relief.

  4. What absolutely fantastic drive from Hülkenberg! Driver of the weekend for me!

    Overall, that was a really good race. I’d give it an 8 – it was slightly mediocre before the first safety car but Webber provided some action in the intervening period.

    The main focus has to be what the **** the Marshall’s were thinking by driving that Fire Car onto a live racetrack with no yellow flags and no safety car. That was unbelievably stupid – I will not buy any argument to try and claim a communication error, that was just completely stupid. If it had been released on corner exit, Vettel could’ve plowed right into the back of that at 150mph. Ridiculous.

    • Chris Yu Rhee (@chris-yu-rhee) said on 6th October 2013, 8:57

      I think they released it because there was enough of a gap for the drivers to realize it was there and Webber’s car had an oil fire-very serious and can be difficult to put out, so they needed the equipment.

      • There should’ve been yellow flags at the very least – double waved yellows. Drivers still technically could’ve been racing and trying for overtakes, which is ridiculous. Very poor race organisation.

        • tmekt (@tmekt) said on 6th October 2013, 9:32

          I think the safety car was deployed in the exact same time, so no one should’ve been racing anymore after the first corner. There were SC signs right after the second corner, but the ones on the main straight weren’t flashing yellow yet.

          • @tmekt it’d be best if we could follow somebody onboard (probably Vettel, the leader) from the start of that lap, to see exactly what a driver would have seen. Then it would be easier to judge.

            Regardless though, that was a pretty crucial operational error which shouldn’t have happend, and definitely needs looked at.

          • tmekt (@tmekt) said on 6th October 2013, 9:53

            @vettel1

            Don’t they get notification on their steering wheels as well about the safety car?

            I agree, not the best way to do things in terms of safety but I think big part of the fault goes to the track marshalls as well, it took unacceptable amount of time for them to even begin putting out the fire on Webber’s car. The marshalls in Korea seem to be pretty clueless anyway, like last year when it took something like 10 laps to move Rosberg’s parked (right in front of a safety exit) Mercedes away from the longest straight.

          • @tmekt they do, but the decision didn’t go through the race director. So it might not have, which is why I think we need to see an onboard.

          • Mike Dee (@mike-dee) said on 6th October 2013, 9:59

            I think the safety car was deployed in the exact same time

            Definitely not. There was the camera shot where we could see the Jeep on the straight with Vettel turning onto the straight. The track status only changed to “safety car” a few seconds after that. I assume the race director was watching the world feed, and only then saw the fire truck and then reacted with a safety car. I would believe that there was no communication between race control and the fire truck.

            @tmekt @vettel1

        • Although in fairness they did wave the white flags.

    • Krichelle (@krichelle) said on 6th October 2013, 8:57

      Gave it an 8, mainly for the entertainment that Hulk provided. I mean, Hamilton and Alonso couldn’t get pass him on the DRS zone. That jeep was kind of shocking to see eh. If:

      -Vettel wins in Japan and Alonso out of the points, GAME OVER.

  5. Albert (@) said on 6th October 2013, 8:50

    8. Very good race. Vettel and Hulkenberg superb, very (and lucky) drive from Raikkonen. Very good fights for 4,5,6. Bit disappointing from Hamilton and Alonso.

    • Michael (@freelittlebirds) said on 6th October 2013, 17:57

      I agree the results for Hamilton were disappointing but I wouldn’t say the way he drove was disappointing – his last 10 laps were insane.

      I’m a huge Hulkenberg fan but this display from Hamilton was simply vintage Hamilton.

      He defended perfectly against Alonso to the point that Alonso decided not to even bother pressing the issue until the last lap.

      And he put so much pressure on Hulkenberg managing even to pass him which I can assure no other driver on the grid would have been able to do in that car.

      Hulk took the spot back with superb ease showing the vast difference in performance between the Sauber and Merc off turn 1.

  6. hulk made this race worth watching

    • Mclarengal (@mclarengal) said on 6th October 2013, 20:35

      Totally agree! Driver of the weekend for me. Sincerely hope the big teams eventually take notice of him – he may not have the financial backing, but, my goodness, he has the talent.

      • Todfod (@todfod) said on 7th October 2013, 10:33

        I dont even think financial backing is an issue.

        Apparently his size is what makes him less attractive to teams for 2014. It’s sad, but true that you have to be the size of Felipe Massa for next year’s cars.

  7. Delta Golf Sierra (@cumulonimbus) said on 6th October 2013, 8:51

    Not much action near the front, but some great battles midfield. Hulkenberg’s driving was spectacular. 6/10

  8. bezza695 (@bezza695) said on 6th October 2013, 8:51

    8/10 DRS wasn’t overpowered and did the job it was supposed to do which is give a chance for overtaking rather than be the overtake and Nico Hulkenberg drove beautifully.
    But I still don’t know what Mercedes were smoking when Hamilton was LOSING 1.5-2.5 seconds per lap and they chose not to pit him then Rosberg’s front wing failed which meant Hamilton had to stay out again

    • bezza695 (@bezza695) said on 6th October 2013, 8:54

      Oh and I forgot on this day Paul Di Resta lost his F1 seat I think

      • @bezza695 I have to agree – he’s really been pretty awful since the tyre change. And if he blames the team (or even doesn’t admit to his mistake) I swear I will lose all faith in him.

        Sincerely, a Di Resta fan.

      • Jeanrien (@jeanrien) said on 6th October 2013, 9:13

        @bezza695 Yep time for Force India to rethink their line up, neither of them have been impressive lately (or in the wrong way) … Probably the worst line up of the grid at this time.

        • Patrick (@paeschli) said on 6th October 2013, 9:18

          Their first half of the season was impressive but now they are just making themselves ridiculous. At least one of these two guys will lose their seat at the end of the season.

      • Iestyn Davies (@fastiesty) said on 6th October 2013, 9:47

        Mercedes were caught between strategies, because Lewis lost his tyres behind Grosjean and trying to get by him. They could have converted to an attacking 3 stop (last stint fast super soft), but it would have required passing guys like Hulkenberg at some point most probably. So, they stuck it out and then the Rosberg wing/SC hampered them (not as much as Webber, Ricciardo though) to be passed by Hulk anyway.

        Force India are struggling to heat up their tyres now and no tyre temp = spin off, as both drivers did today. If I was them I would have blocked the tyre change and laughed all the way to the bank (McLaren wouldn’t have been happy if FI cost them CWC places 2 years in a row!). Now, they are under threat from a resurgent Sauber and DWC in waiting Hulk. If they need money, there is always Massa to go alongside a Mercedes subsidy driver… (if Massa gets the Lotus seat, then Hulk is probably back in here instead).

        Grosjean loses out to Raikkonen again after a SC deplyment, and another legitimate shot at winning a race (Germany he could have gone longer than Vettel as well before the SC). It’d be interesting to see Hulkenberg and Grosjean take it to RB consistently in a Lotus.

        • Iestyn Davies (@fastiesty) said on 6th October 2013, 10:10

          I’m still upset that Hulkenberg had a legitimate race win taken away by a NASCAR ‘debris’ style caution in Brazil… it did spice up the championship fight a little though with Alonso getting into a position to win it, barring Vettel’s resurgent drive. How his car withstood the impact, while Webber’s caught fire from a slight bump today is perplexing (and probably down to luck with where components are located).

          Grosjean could have a win too by this point, with a few chances lost to a SC to duel Vettel for a win.. Lotus could be really strong next year with these two. This could save Di Resta’s bacon at Force India – Vijay always insists he doesn’t need to take a sponsored driver (just pays his drivers the least of any team instead, but takes a good talent to compensate for this).

          Would have been interesting to see even more tyre blow-outs on the old tyres (there’ll be criticism for this latest blow-out, but without aggressive tyres the race would have been a processional borefest). The teams should pass this weight increase to even out the playing field for drivers, if agreed to bring it back down later once development renders it useless.

          • smokinjoe (@smokinjoe) said on 6th October 2013, 11:25

            The teams should pass this weight increase to even out the playing field for drivers, if agreed to bring it back down later once development renders it useless
            If the weight issue is not sorted out it could be a big disadvantage for both button and hulk as they are more then 70 kilos

          • Tomsk (@tomsk) said on 6th October 2013, 23:25

            Won’t the car weights come down anyway, as the engine manufacturers develop and lighten parts in the power units? Then there’ll be more underweight cars with ballast, and driver weight would become less important.

            But surely teams would rather have a guy doing what Hulkenberg did today than a midget who crashes all the time…

            Grosjean needs to be more awake at restarts. He can see Raikkonen’s data to show him how it’s done.

    • 72defender (@72defender) said on 6th October 2013, 9:03

      Inexcusable on Mercedes’ part. Lap after lap he was losing massive amounts of time and how did they not compute he had to pit immediately.

      • Krichelle (@krichelle) said on 6th October 2013, 9:22

        @72defender
        I wonder, if Hamilton pitted on lap 25-28 at least in my estimation… Could he have taken the lead if the safety car came out? Cause Vettel, Grosjean had not pitted yet at that point. In fact, they pitted exactly when the SC came out.

    • Krichelle (@krichelle) said on 6th October 2013, 9:17

      @bezza695
      Lewis said: “I went through the graining phase, but when it went away, the RIGHT FRONT TYRE just completely went away.”

    • DRS was key today. If it had been implemented incorrectly (as it has been at most race circuits) than Hamilton would of had an easy pass on Hulk. Instead we got a great battle with Hulk successfully defending his position (a rarity in itself these days). Some great racing today 8/10.

      • Krichelle (@krichelle) said on 6th October 2013, 14:34

        @racectrl Not really… What was helping Hulk a lot, was his traction on the first corner. That can be the reason why he has been quick in S1 all weekend, and that Alonso and Hamilton couldn’t ditch him. The DRS was fine today, and Hamilton had one shot at Hulkenberg at lap 40 something and didn’t do it.

        • Good traction certainly helped yet Lewis still got very very close and even passed him at one stage so the way i see it a more effective DRS zone i.e longer, would have meant Lewis finishing ahead of Hulk. That’s the point i was trying to make.

          • Krichelle (@krichelle) said on 6th October 2013, 17:52

            @racectrl Lewis passed him onto turn 1. But, remember, that the 2nd drs detection point was 10% down the 1.2 km straight. Then, the activation was on almost halfway down the straight. So, I knew that when I saw Lewis overtook him into turn 1 that Lewis did a mistake and should have waited for the second drs zone cause Hulk’s got everything he needs in S1. In fact, what Mercedes did to Lewis and letting him stay out for 5 laps cost him the podium fight. He lost 22 secs to Vettel and 13 secs to Rosberg. Disappointing weekend for the 2 good friends.

    • matt90 (@matt90) said on 6th October 2013, 16:43

      DRS only wasn’t overpowered depending who used it. Seeing Hamilton trying and failing for so long at the end skews it a bit, as he was in one of the cars with a poor first sector and against one of the cars with best traction. As always, I saw a few cars earlier in the race pass too easily, and when Hamilton did pass into the first corner the combination or traction and DRS meant Hulkenberg got the place back easily. That is the fundamental problem with DRS- there is no sweet spot because the cars have different strengths.

  9. Swindle94 (@swindle94) said on 6th October 2013, 8:52

    8
    Too much tire management at the beginning to be any better. Hulkenburg was great defending for nearly the entire race. Poor luck for webber who was doing well after the penalty. Great last 15 or so laps.

  10. Great drive by the Lotus boys, and good old Button manages again to get into the points in a lousy car, but what was that business with the fire car impeding things on the track, bad organisation there! Oh and Paul Di Resta isn’t as good as the Beeb comentators make him out to be< Poor Massa and Webber… a grand drive by Seb.

  11. dutch in sweden (@dutch-in-sweden) said on 6th October 2013, 8:52

    7 thanks to Hulkenberg.

  12. Peter Hatch (@cntchds) said on 6th October 2013, 8:53

    There was a lot of good racing that happened today. 2/3 scrap was close, but 4/5/6 and 7/8 were all really good to watch, and kept the race worth watching. Plenty of drama, without doubt.

  13. Nick (@npf1) said on 6th October 2013, 8:54

    Went with an 8, racing wasn’t that amazing, but plenty of things happening and great driving from the Hulk.

  14. Chris Yu Rhee (@chris-yu-rhee) said on 6th October 2013, 8:54

    Good race (behind Vettel), again it was all about tire management. The track is too left-turn dependent. You could feel the chill in the green room after the race-Vettel taking a drink so he doesn’t have to talk, and Kimi just sitting on the table. LOL

  15. Fixy (@fixy) said on 6th October 2013, 8:55

    8/10
    Because it was entertaining. From half-race onwards, yes. Because of the Safety Car, yes. Because of ridiculous tyres and stupid cars on track, yes. But for whatever reason, alongside a few great battles in the first half of the race, we had even better ones in the second half. Massa, Gutierrez, Maldonado and Perez were one. Hulkenberg, Hamilton and Alonso were another. In the latter the positions did not change, but everything was so tense until the very last moment. Nothing was quiet, everything was moving around, even though, eventually, it returned to its original place. Proper defensive driving despite the DRS was great to see. We always want more overtakes but in the current situation with DRS I prefer seeing drivers defend at their maximum. Hamilton had the chances to pass and even got ahead once, so it wasn’t at all a boring situation.
    The first half of the race actually had me distracted by anything else, because everything was ready to burst out but never did.

    • Patrick (@paeschli) said on 6th October 2013, 9:22

      Proper defensive driving despite the DRS was great to see.

      Yeah, I was a bit suprised that something like this could actually happen! Hülkenberg straight-line speed is what saved him today. Great drive from him today, definitely deserves a top team: he made us dream today!

  16. mixwell (@mixwell) said on 6th October 2013, 8:55

    hulkenberg just proved yet again he deserves that Ferrari seat. too bad he isn’t getting one :(

    the race was very exciting but those force India drives need to be changed. horrible driving.

    • Prisoner Monkeys (@prisoner-monkeys) said on 6th October 2013, 9:06

      @mixwell – A lot if people say “Hulkenberg deserves a Ferrari seat”, but Ferrari have been fairly mediocre of late. Based on recent races, he would be better off chasing the Lotus seat. They might be smaller than Ferrari and they might have a less-stable financial situation, but at least they can build a competitive car.

      • Chris (@tophercheese21) said on 6th October 2013, 11:44

        But Ferrari is probably the better long term option as they have more resources and a better engineering team. Especially now with. James Allison.

        Sure Ferrari aren’t great now, but these additions surely can’t hinder their chances next year.

        Although I have heard a couple of times that their 2014 engines are not as efficient as Mercedes or Renaults.

      • mixwell (@mixwell) said on 6th October 2013, 14:28

        you are right and he should move to Lotus for 2014 if he gets a chance but IMO in the long run, Ferrari is a better choice

  17. JackySteeg (@jackysteeg) said on 6th October 2013, 8:56

    6/10 for me. Up front, it was a typically dreary Vettel-dominated affair. But the awesome battle for the points toward the end made the race worth watching.

  18. Ivan (@wpinrui) said on 6th October 2013, 8:56

    I’d have loved to see Hulk on that podium! What a fantastic race – action all the way from start to finish – which is great considering the past few races have been rather dreary. Vettel drove absolutely brilliantly, as did Raikkonen and Grosjean. Not sure what Mercedes was doing leaving Hamilton out for that long though :P 10 for me!

  19. AdamB said on 6th October 2013, 8:57

    There’s still far, far too much tyre management. Its really been pathetic this year at how big a role tyres have played, May as well rename it the Pirelli tyre management championship.

    Bring in anyone but Pirelli please!

    • Prisoner Monkeys (@prisoner-monkeys) said on 6th October 2013, 9:02

      Don’t forget that when Pirelli first entered Formula 1, a part of their pitch was to constantly develop and refine the tyres over the three years of the contract. The teams did not just agree to this – they chose Pirelli over the other tenders because of it. Since then, Pirelli have only ever fulfilled this. To criticise them for it is deeply unfair.

      • S2G-Unit (@s2g-unit) said on 6th October 2013, 9:14

        ok, but we never asked for tires that explode. or tires, that magically loose all grip all of a sudden & fall off a cliff.

        the decrease in performance of the tires is not gradual enough. they just loose all performance and obviously get stupidly overtaken.

        regardless of lack of testing. pirelli isnt doing a good enough job anymore (liked them before)

        there IS a reason why drivers keep complaining! its also ridiculous that drivers cant ecen speak out about it!!

        • panache (@panache) said on 6th October 2013, 9:47

          Button’s onboard thermal cam footage straight after being passed by Rosberg seems to confirm that the tyres losing grip and falling off a cliff is mainly temperature related as a direct consequence of the tread wearing down.

          The footage showed Button’s tyres were not even lit up (they were mainly black!) on the thermal cam like when they were sitting on the grid waiting for the race to start, so not even close to being in the optimal working range.

        • Prisoner Monkeys (@prisoner-monkeys) said on 6th October 2013, 10:05

          @s2g-unit – Actually, the team’s asked for tyres that degrade. When Bridgestone was supplying the sport, they made ultra-durable tyres that meant pitstops were a mere formality. Sebastian Vettel did 52 laps on the soft tyres at the 2010 Italian Grand Prix, and only pitted for the hards because he had to. The teams wanted tyres that were a moving target – tyres that evolved over the course of s race stint, a full race, a season, and the duration of the Pirelli contract. That’s what Pirelli have them. Nothing more, and nothing less.

          As for the exploding tyres, the Silverstone episodes were down to teams deliberately using their tyres incorrectly. In the case if Sergio Perez today, he clearly had a massive lock-up into the first turn, then ran wide as he got the car under control. And his tyres were quite old at the time. The lock-up probably destroyed enough of the tyre to cause the delamination. So a driver error and deliberate misuse of the tyres are hardly Pirelli’s fault.

          • S2G-Unit (@s2g-unit) said on 10th October 2013, 1:21

            @prisoner-monkeys

            I remember Monza 2010 very well. The problem now though, is that the drivers aren’t able to push hard & continue to drive to delta times & the tires still degrade.

            I understand Pirelli is not testing with current cards. BUT, it’s ridiculous that the tires just fall off a cliff & have no grip. Then on top of that the can get DRS-ed/passed even more easily without a fight.

          • Prisoner Monkeys (@prisoner-monkeys) said on 10th October 2013, 1:51

            @s2g-unit – The idea behind the tyres is that they only fall apart when the drivers push too hard. They reward the precise application of accelerator and brake, which naturally produces faster lap tines. The problem comes when they get sloppy. If they push too hard for too long, if they move the car around too much, if they try and get on the power too quickly and so on and so forth, then the tyres start to go away.

            It is not ridiculous that the tyres suddenly run out of grip. Any tyre naturally has a fixed life span, and Pirelli have worked it so that the loss of grip is s punishment for pushing too hard for too long. The tyres have an ideal operating window that, while narrow, will allow the drivers the maximum amount of grip with the minimum amount of wear. It’s up to the teams abd drivers to find it – so when they complain about it, they’re really complaining that they haven’t done their jobs properly.

      • AdamB said on 6th October 2013, 9:15

        Maybe so, However Pirelli design the tyres & they have clearly taken things way too far.

        There was signs of this in 2012 & drivers complained about how fragile the tyres were yet Pirelli ignored all that & took things a step further this year which has led to even more problems.

        Look around, The only people who seem happy with how extreme the tyres are & how much tyre management is required are Pirelli. The drivers hate the tyres, The teams don’t seen keen on them & its clear the fans have turned against them this year.

        If things are the same in 2014 I’ll just stop watching as this is not the sort of ‘racing’ (if you can ever call it that) is not what i enjoy.

        Bring back a tyre war I say, Let each team pick whichever supplier they want & let them produce the best tyres there able to produce so we can see some proper racing with drivers pushing each other hard again!

        • Prisoner Monkeys (@prisoner-monkeys) said on 10th October 2013, 1:56

          Wrong. The teams caused the worst of the problems by ignoring Pirelli’s instructions on how to use the tyres properly (despite having done it in previous years and being warned to stop). If you buy a clothes dryer, don’t use it properly, and it ruins your favourite shirt, is it the manufacturer’s fault? No, it’s yours. So how is it different here? The teams didn’t use the tyres properly, and the tyres exploded. That’s not Pirelli’s fault.

          You’ll also notice that the drivers who complain loudest about the tyres are the ones who are struggling the most. The teams who figure out their tyres have no complaints and are generally successful.

    • William (@william) said on 6th October 2013, 9:20

      I think its fair to criticize about the tyres as they are just horrendous. Why can’t they be like Bridgestone in MotoGP where you don’t have to come in? Pirelli should go and welcome Michelin in from next year. Other than that I will give it a 9 – for the spectacular racing that was going on behind Seb, the SC(s) at the right time to confuse their strategies

      • Prisoner Monkeys (@prisoner-monkeys) said on 6th October 2013, 10:09

        @william – I don’t know if you’ve noticed, but MotoGP races are half the distance of a Formula 1 race. The reason for that is because if the races were any longer, the riders would have to pit for tyres. And that’s not something that is easily done on a bike. The riders wouldn’t lose seconds in a pit stop – they’d lose laps. If ever you’ve watched a MotoGP race, you would have seen that tyre management is still a big issue for the riders. The tyres are just a little more durable because a rider is completely exposed and therefore more vulnerable, making a tyre failure at speed catastrophic.

        • William (@william) said on 6th October 2013, 12:43

          I have been watching MotoGP for the last 3 years now and indeed that they are under half race distance compared to F1 but they last a lot longer on the tyres. They will just hop on to the second bike that the teams have ready for them when they come in. They will lose seconds not laps as it takes about 40secs to go through pit lane.

          • Prisoner Monkeys (@prisoner-monkeys) said on 7th October 2013, 2:13

            Read my post again. MotoGP tyres are more durable than Formula 1 tyres, because MotoGP riders are much more exposed than Formula 1 drivers. They don’t have carbon fibre safety cells to protect them. Imagine, if you will, what would happen if a rider had a tyre failure similar to the one Sergio Perez had. It wouldn’t end well.

            You are trying to insinuate that the only difference between Formula 1 and MotoGP is the tyres, and that there is no good reason for this difference. But this is clearly untrue, and only shows that you are calling for Pirelli to change their tyres for the sake of change, rather than addressing the actual issue behind Perez’s tyre failure: driver error. It doesn’t matter what tyres you use – if you lock up as heavily as Perez did, sooner or later, you’re going to compromise the structure of the tyre.

    • Patrick (@paeschli) said on 6th October 2013, 9:28

      Finally someone who criticize the tyres today. We thought the problems were over after Silverstone but today we saw yet again a tyre explode. This really needs to stop: it created a very dangerous situation for Webber.

      • @paeschil they shouldn’t be that fragile, but I have to defend Pirelli here and say that failure was caused by Perez brutally flat-spotting his tyre.

        Also, I don’t think they should have Moto GP-like tyres until they sort the dirty air problem. Otherwise, it’d just be a DRS-fest only, or very little overtaking at all. There was some good racing previous to 2010 absolutely, but I think (besides DRS) the quality of the races has improved.

        • Patrick (@paeschli) said on 6th October 2013, 9:45

          It isn’t normal that a tyre explodes after flat-spotting …

        • William (@william) said on 6th October 2013, 9:57

          Don’t defend Pirelli on this topic, it is their tyres that did the explosion on Perez car. If Pirelli said that then they shouldn’t be here anymore, everyone locks up tyres and nothing really happens to them except tyre wear.

          DRS free will be awesome to see what the drivers are like without it. DRS has taken the sport one step backwards. I believe without it we will get pure racing and hard to overtake which will annoy the drivers

          • David not Coulthard (@) said on 6th October 2013, 11:26

            It’s not their fault that they make fragile tyres, do realise that. We (and the teams) asked for it, and that’s what we get – and we, the audience, needn’t even pay!

            Pirelli can make a Bridgestoneesque type of F1 tyres, but since that’s not what we(or the teams)’re asking them to do……it won’t happen.

            As for DRS, an f?-Ductesque freedom to deploy it would be great. We needn’t remove it, though I still think we should, just like TC, or Active Suspension, or the legality of 2 brake pedals.

  20. caci99 (@caci99) said on 6th October 2013, 8:57

    Poor race largely decided by tires. Only Hulkenberg saved it, and the radio messages of Lotus to Grosjean. Seems like at Lotus are bitter about Kimi leaving.

    • David Margono (@woshidavid95) said on 6th October 2013, 9:27

      @caci99
      Not only that, Grosjean has dominated Raikkonen this entire weekend and it was mainly due to the safety car that he was even on the podium in the first place. It really annoyed me when he just swooped past Grosjean who was probably too timid to try anything against his teammate until his team egged him on; Grosjean deserved that 2nd place more than Raikkonen did, prior to the safety car only Grosjean could keep up with Vettel in 2nd while Raikkonen was scrapping in 7th-8th.

      • Patrick (@paeschli) said on 6th October 2013, 9:30

        You’re both unfair to Kimi. He did a great race today after a poor qualifying. I agree with you that Grosjean deserved a 2nd place but Kimi did also a great job today.

      • I agree Grosjean has been unlucky with safety cars this season, both here and in Germany where he was on for a win. But you can’t say he was timid against Raikkonen, he made a very late double move in defending and if they’d collided it would have been 100% his fault, so he was lucky to get away with that.

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