Rate the race: 2013 Korean Grand Prix

2013 Korean Grand Prix

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220 comments on Rate the race: 2013 Korean Grand Prix

  1. mixwell (@mixwell) said on 6th October 2013, 8:55

    hulkenberg just proved yet again he deserves that Ferrari seat. too bad he isn’t getting one :(

    the race was very exciting but those force India drives need to be changed. horrible driving.

    • Prisoner Monkeys (@prisoner-monkeys) said on 6th October 2013, 9:06

      @mixwell – A lot if people say “Hulkenberg deserves a Ferrari seat”, but Ferrari have been fairly mediocre of late. Based on recent races, he would be better off chasing the Lotus seat. They might be smaller than Ferrari and they might have a less-stable financial situation, but at least they can build a competitive car.

      • Chris (@tophercheese21) said on 6th October 2013, 11:44

        But Ferrari is probably the better long term option as they have more resources and a better engineering team. Especially now with. James Allison.

        Sure Ferrari aren’t great now, but these additions surely can’t hinder their chances next year.

        Although I have heard a couple of times that their 2014 engines are not as efficient as Mercedes or Renaults.

      • mixwell (@mixwell) said on 6th October 2013, 14:28

        you are right and he should move to Lotus for 2014 if he gets a chance but IMO in the long run, Ferrari is a better choice

  2. JackySteeg (@jackysteeg) said on 6th October 2013, 8:56

    6/10 for me. Up front, it was a typically dreary Vettel-dominated affair. But the awesome battle for the points toward the end made the race worth watching.

  3. Ivan (@wpinrui) said on 6th October 2013, 8:56

    I’d have loved to see Hulk on that podium! What a fantastic race – action all the way from start to finish – which is great considering the past few races have been rather dreary. Vettel drove absolutely brilliantly, as did Raikkonen and Grosjean. Not sure what Mercedes was doing leaving Hamilton out for that long though :P 10 for me!

  4. AdamB said on 6th October 2013, 8:57

    There’s still far, far too much tyre management. Its really been pathetic this year at how big a role tyres have played, May as well rename it the Pirelli tyre management championship.

    Bring in anyone but Pirelli please!

    • Prisoner Monkeys (@prisoner-monkeys) said on 6th October 2013, 9:02

      Don’t forget that when Pirelli first entered Formula 1, a part of their pitch was to constantly develop and refine the tyres over the three years of the contract. The teams did not just agree to this – they chose Pirelli over the other tenders because of it. Since then, Pirelli have only ever fulfilled this. To criticise them for it is deeply unfair.

      • S2G-Unit (@s2g-unit) said on 6th October 2013, 9:14

        ok, but we never asked for tires that explode. or tires, that magically loose all grip all of a sudden & fall off a cliff.

        the decrease in performance of the tires is not gradual enough. they just loose all performance and obviously get stupidly overtaken.

        regardless of lack of testing. pirelli isnt doing a good enough job anymore (liked them before)

        there IS a reason why drivers keep complaining! its also ridiculous that drivers cant ecen speak out about it!!

        • panache (@panache) said on 6th October 2013, 9:47

          Button’s onboard thermal cam footage straight after being passed by Rosberg seems to confirm that the tyres losing grip and falling off a cliff is mainly temperature related as a direct consequence of the tread wearing down.

          The footage showed Button’s tyres were not even lit up (they were mainly black!) on the thermal cam like when they were sitting on the grid waiting for the race to start, so not even close to being in the optimal working range.

        • Prisoner Monkeys (@prisoner-monkeys) said on 6th October 2013, 10:05

          @s2g-unit – Actually, the team’s asked for tyres that degrade. When Bridgestone was supplying the sport, they made ultra-durable tyres that meant pitstops were a mere formality. Sebastian Vettel did 52 laps on the soft tyres at the 2010 Italian Grand Prix, and only pitted for the hards because he had to. The teams wanted tyres that were a moving target – tyres that evolved over the course of s race stint, a full race, a season, and the duration of the Pirelli contract. That’s what Pirelli have them. Nothing more, and nothing less.

          As for the exploding tyres, the Silverstone episodes were down to teams deliberately using their tyres incorrectly. In the case if Sergio Perez today, he clearly had a massive lock-up into the first turn, then ran wide as he got the car under control. And his tyres were quite old at the time. The lock-up probably destroyed enough of the tyre to cause the delamination. So a driver error and deliberate misuse of the tyres are hardly Pirelli’s fault.

          • S2G-Unit (@s2g-unit) said on 10th October 2013, 1:21

            @prisoner-monkeys

            I remember Monza 2010 very well. The problem now though, is that the drivers aren’t able to push hard & continue to drive to delta times & the tires still degrade.

            I understand Pirelli is not testing with current cards. BUT, it’s ridiculous that the tires just fall off a cliff & have no grip. Then on top of that the can get DRS-ed/passed even more easily without a fight.

          • Prisoner Monkeys (@prisoner-monkeys) said on 10th October 2013, 1:51

            @s2g-unit – The idea behind the tyres is that they only fall apart when the drivers push too hard. They reward the precise application of accelerator and brake, which naturally produces faster lap tines. The problem comes when they get sloppy. If they push too hard for too long, if they move the car around too much, if they try and get on the power too quickly and so on and so forth, then the tyres start to go away.

            It is not ridiculous that the tyres suddenly run out of grip. Any tyre naturally has a fixed life span, and Pirelli have worked it so that the loss of grip is s punishment for pushing too hard for too long. The tyres have an ideal operating window that, while narrow, will allow the drivers the maximum amount of grip with the minimum amount of wear. It’s up to the teams abd drivers to find it – so when they complain about it, they’re really complaining that they haven’t done their jobs properly.

      • AdamB said on 6th October 2013, 9:15

        Maybe so, However Pirelli design the tyres & they have clearly taken things way too far.

        There was signs of this in 2012 & drivers complained about how fragile the tyres were yet Pirelli ignored all that & took things a step further this year which has led to even more problems.

        Look around, The only people who seem happy with how extreme the tyres are & how much tyre management is required are Pirelli. The drivers hate the tyres, The teams don’t seen keen on them & its clear the fans have turned against them this year.

        If things are the same in 2014 I’ll just stop watching as this is not the sort of ‘racing’ (if you can ever call it that) is not what i enjoy.

        Bring back a tyre war I say, Let each team pick whichever supplier they want & let them produce the best tyres there able to produce so we can see some proper racing with drivers pushing each other hard again!

        • Prisoner Monkeys (@prisoner-monkeys) said on 10th October 2013, 1:56

          Wrong. The teams caused the worst of the problems by ignoring Pirelli’s instructions on how to use the tyres properly (despite having done it in previous years and being warned to stop). If you buy a clothes dryer, don’t use it properly, and it ruins your favourite shirt, is it the manufacturer’s fault? No, it’s yours. So how is it different here? The teams didn’t use the tyres properly, and the tyres exploded. That’s not Pirelli’s fault.

          You’ll also notice that the drivers who complain loudest about the tyres are the ones who are struggling the most. The teams who figure out their tyres have no complaints and are generally successful.

    • William (@william) said on 6th October 2013, 9:20

      I think its fair to criticize about the tyres as they are just horrendous. Why can’t they be like Bridgestone in MotoGP where you don’t have to come in? Pirelli should go and welcome Michelin in from next year. Other than that I will give it a 9 – for the spectacular racing that was going on behind Seb, the SC(s) at the right time to confuse their strategies

      • Prisoner Monkeys (@prisoner-monkeys) said on 6th October 2013, 10:09

        @william – I don’t know if you’ve noticed, but MotoGP races are half the distance of a Formula 1 race. The reason for that is because if the races were any longer, the riders would have to pit for tyres. And that’s not something that is easily done on a bike. The riders wouldn’t lose seconds in a pit stop – they’d lose laps. If ever you’ve watched a MotoGP race, you would have seen that tyre management is still a big issue for the riders. The tyres are just a little more durable because a rider is completely exposed and therefore more vulnerable, making a tyre failure at speed catastrophic.

        • William (@william) said on 6th October 2013, 12:43

          I have been watching MotoGP for the last 3 years now and indeed that they are under half race distance compared to F1 but they last a lot longer on the tyres. They will just hop on to the second bike that the teams have ready for them when they come in. They will lose seconds not laps as it takes about 40secs to go through pit lane.

          • Prisoner Monkeys (@prisoner-monkeys) said on 7th October 2013, 2:13

            Read my post again. MotoGP tyres are more durable than Formula 1 tyres, because MotoGP riders are much more exposed than Formula 1 drivers. They don’t have carbon fibre safety cells to protect them. Imagine, if you will, what would happen if a rider had a tyre failure similar to the one Sergio Perez had. It wouldn’t end well.

            You are trying to insinuate that the only difference between Formula 1 and MotoGP is the tyres, and that there is no good reason for this difference. But this is clearly untrue, and only shows that you are calling for Pirelli to change their tyres for the sake of change, rather than addressing the actual issue behind Perez’s tyre failure: driver error. It doesn’t matter what tyres you use – if you lock up as heavily as Perez did, sooner or later, you’re going to compromise the structure of the tyre.

    • Patrick (@paeschli) said on 6th October 2013, 9:28

      Finally someone who criticize the tyres today. We thought the problems were over after Silverstone but today we saw yet again a tyre explode. This really needs to stop: it created a very dangerous situation for Webber.

      • @paeschil they shouldn’t be that fragile, but I have to defend Pirelli here and say that failure was caused by Perez brutally flat-spotting his tyre.

        Also, I don’t think they should have Moto GP-like tyres until they sort the dirty air problem. Otherwise, it’d just be a DRS-fest only, or very little overtaking at all. There was some good racing previous to 2010 absolutely, but I think (besides DRS) the quality of the races has improved.

        • Patrick (@paeschli) said on 6th October 2013, 9:45

          It isn’t normal that a tyre explodes after flat-spotting …

        • William (@william) said on 6th October 2013, 9:57

          Don’t defend Pirelli on this topic, it is their tyres that did the explosion on Perez car. If Pirelli said that then they shouldn’t be here anymore, everyone locks up tyres and nothing really happens to them except tyre wear.

          DRS free will be awesome to see what the drivers are like without it. DRS has taken the sport one step backwards. I believe without it we will get pure racing and hard to overtake which will annoy the drivers

          • David not Coulthard (@) said on 6th October 2013, 11:26

            It’s not their fault that they make fragile tyres, do realise that. We (and the teams) asked for it, and that’s what we get – and we, the audience, needn’t even pay!

            Pirelli can make a Bridgestoneesque type of F1 tyres, but since that’s not what we(or the teams)’re asking them to do……it won’t happen.

            As for DRS, an f?-Ductesque freedom to deploy it would be great. We needn’t remove it, though I still think we should, just like TC, or Active Suspension, or the legality of 2 brake pedals.

  5. caci99 (@caci99) said on 6th October 2013, 8:57

    Poor race largely decided by tires. Only Hulkenberg saved it, and the radio messages of Lotus to Grosjean. Seems like at Lotus are bitter about Kimi leaving.

    • David Margono (@woshidavid95) said on 6th October 2013, 9:27

      @caci99
      Not only that, Grosjean has dominated Raikkonen this entire weekend and it was mainly due to the safety car that he was even on the podium in the first place. It really annoyed me when he just swooped past Grosjean who was probably too timid to try anything against his teammate until his team egged him on; Grosjean deserved that 2nd place more than Raikkonen did, prior to the safety car only Grosjean could keep up with Vettel in 2nd while Raikkonen was scrapping in 7th-8th.

      • Patrick (@paeschli) said on 6th October 2013, 9:30

        You’re both unfair to Kimi. He did a great race today after a poor qualifying. I agree with you that Grosjean deserved a 2nd place but Kimi did also a great job today.

      • I agree Grosjean has been unlucky with safety cars this season, both here and in Germany where he was on for a win. But you can’t say he was timid against Raikkonen, he made a very late double move in defending and if they’d collided it would have been 100% his fault, so he was lucky to get away with that.

  6. Prisoner Monkeys (@prisoner-monkeys) said on 6th October 2013, 8:58

    6/10 – Some good fights up and down the field, but long stints of nothing interesting.

    Maybe that ca become a 7/10 if you accept that the championship fight is over.

  7. Laine Baker (@bainelaker) said on 6th October 2013, 8:58

    7 for me. Some good battles down field, and a random Korean jeep. Can’t go wrong there!

  8. Karthikeyan (@ridiculous) said on 6th October 2013, 8:58

    Excellent action through out even though not everything had to do with actual racing. Ferrari’s pace was disturbing. Raikkonen taking an unlikely second and Seb doing his usual and excellent showmanship of defensive driving by Hulk. Rated 8.

  9. nmsi (@nmsi) said on 6th October 2013, 8:59

    Unbelivable Vettel wins 4th time in a row, who could have thought that after winning 3 times in a row? Lotus denies scrap for 2-3 place after Rai has taken Romain… Add in tire explode and mandatory Webber unluck (out of prime tires and no-fault-of-his-own car fire) + ridiculous double DRS zones that deny passing in the first zone it would have been clear 1.
    Race was saved by tight fight for 4-5-6-7-8 by Hulk, Ham, Alo, Ros and But. So 4 but overall a race to forget.

    • S2G-Unit (@s2g-unit) said on 6th October 2013, 9:19

      why do we keep having back toback DRS zones? im getting fed up with stupid tires, pay drivers, DRS & constantstupid penalties!

      Anybody else feeling thesame?

      we need to send comments/opinions to the FIA.

      last thing, just becaus Bernie got us into new countries doesnt mean he is the only person who could have done so & it does not mean he contine to rule over the spors commercial rights (even though he does for 100 years)

      team bosses are frustrted but not allowed to speak againast him.

      what is wrong with F1? too many problems !

      • Patrick (@paeschli) said on 6th October 2013, 9:31

        How can you say DRS was too strong when Hülkenberg managed to defend his position over 15 laps? I agree DRS was too strong on some races this year, but today it was just fine.

      • David not Coulthard (@) said on 6th October 2013, 11:35

        I agree with you, but not about pay drivers, thoguh. Niki lauda was a pay driver, Alonso is sort of a pay driver, Hunt’s entry to McLaren was paid for by (his) cigarette(-smoking habit), and even MSC was a pay driver!

        Thoguh you were probably referring to drivers like Karthikeyan, in which case I agree. I’m just saying that not all pay drivers are bad.

        • S2G-Unit (@s2g-unit) said on 6th October 2013, 18:48

          ya i should have specified pay drivers. i really meant the fact that teams dont seem to be getting their faur share of the pie (and yes i know they spend alot). but there should NOT be so many teams strugglling financially and then depending on driversnto bring spinsors with them. the teams are unhappy about it and mention little bits here and there.

          whitmarsh even said recently its bad for business/teams to speak out against bernie.

          now, ill wait for prisoner monkeys to come defend bernie like usual.

          last point. at FOTA forum in montreal this year. the bosses even said that maybe the sport should be managed by someone who has more interest in preservingand putting more money into the sport rather than milking it as much as possible.

          there is no defending bernie!

  10. HawkAussie (@hawkaussie) said on 6th October 2013, 8:59

    I vote an 8 cause it was a good race and involve the best F1 LOL of the season with the jeep incident

  11. smokinjoe (@smokinjoe) said on 6th October 2013, 9:00

    Just give hulk a good car, that was one of the best defensive driving i have seen in a long time

    • Baron (@baron) said on 6th October 2013, 18:20

      Give Hulkenberg a good car that goes forwards and is not as wide? Is that your meaning? I remember when Schumacher famously held up Hamilton for many laps at Monza – he was hailed as a villain. So when Hulk does it, he’s a hero? Doesn’t make any sense. Can you explain?

  12. Chris (@tophercheese21) said on 6th October 2013, 9:02

    Quite a decent race. Had some fantastic battles. The first few laps were pretty so-so, but it livened up after that.

    I’ll tell you what, if Webber didn’t have bad luck, he wouldn’t have any at all.

    • Chris (@tophercheese21) said on 6th October 2013, 9:15

      Get Hulkenberg in a top car. The boy can flat out drive!
      He truly is a star of the future and teams are taking late teens with fathers who have billions over him. Its just wrong.

  13. Ed Marques (@edmarques) said on 6th October 2013, 9:06

    Gave it a 8.
    Vettel didn’t vanished at the front so at least kept you guessing.
    Great fights after the safety car.
    The truck on the track hahaha.
    And Hulkenberg holding Alonso (before safety car) and Hamilton (after safety car).
    Good race.

  14. mixwell (@mixwell) said on 6th October 2013, 9:06

    more importantly i guess this race puts an end to the whole “Red Bull faking a tyre problem in 2012″ scepticism

  15. Shreyas Mohanty (@) said on 6th October 2013, 9:08

    I am slowly and steadily becoming a Hulkenberg fan as well! ;) The guy is just brilliant! Truly brilliant! Deserves championships more than a certain almost 4-time world champion! And Ferrari was disturbing at best today. Alonso understeering each time into turn 6, and a general lack of pace!

    • Shreyas Mohanty (@) said on 6th October 2013, 9:10

      And the 4-5-6 scrap was one spectatular battle ! ;) and the 10-11-12-13 too!

    • Albert (@) said on 6th October 2013, 9:16

      @shreyasf1fan Deserves championships more than a certain almost 4-time world champion!

      Because Vettel has never done anything like this, right? You know, like winning with a Toro Rosso or something.

    • David Margono (@woshidavid95) said on 6th October 2013, 9:19

      Thinly-veiled jabs at Vettel I see… can’t say I’m surprised given you’re an Alonso fan but if that’s the case, then Hulkenberg also deserves championships more than Alonso, Hamilton or Raikkonen.

    • Oletros (@oletros) said on 6th October 2013, 9:23

      Deserves championships more than a certain almost 4-time world champion

      I’m fairly sure that those things are said just to start a flame bait, they can’t be said in a serious way if you know just a little of F1

    • Tifoso1989 (@tifoso1989) said on 6th October 2013, 9:45

      That’s not fair man !!!!! If we are still doubting Vettel’s abilities now and he is winning his 4th title in a row then what can we say about Hulkenberg ??? Vettel is a Top Driver there is absolutely no doubts about that, the only doubts about him is how he will react when he will be partnered with guys like Alonso, Hamilton and Raikkonen (which maybe we will never know) and his ability to fight for the championship in an inferior car. Nico has yet to prove himself now in a top team now

      • David Margono (@woshidavid95) said on 6th October 2013, 10:10

        @tifoso1989
        Finally a Ferrari fan with common sense, the main reason I don’t support Ferrari is because of their cult-following of Alonso/Ferrari made especially evident at Monza… apparently they believe Alonso/Ferrari is some sort of deity who’s entitled to win.

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