Pic given drive-through penalty for race

2013 Japanese Grand Prix

Charles Pic, Caterham, Suzuka, 2013Charles Pic has been given a drive-through penalty for tomorrow’s Japanese Grand Prix.

In a first, the stewards have handed down the penalty before the race has even started. He is required to serve it during the first five laps of the race.

Pic was found to have left the pits when the red light was displayed at the pit exit during qualifying. He committed the same infraction last weekend in Korea and was reprimanded.

The stewards took this into account when confirming Pic’s penalty, noting: “Car 20 [Pic] crossed the pit exit line at 14:17:10. The red light was at 14:17:05.”

“It is noted this is the second consecutive event in which the driver has driven through a red light.”

Pic already has a ten-place grid penalty for tomorrow’s race having picked up his third reprimand of the season in Korea.

Last year Pic was given a 20-second penalty ahead of the Singapore Grand Prix for failing to respond to red flags during practice.

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49 comments on Pic given drive-through penalty for race

  1. Good decision, as apposed to a grid drop or a simple time penalty.

  2. svarun (@svarun) said on 12th October 2013, 9:41

    What a joke,2 back to back races he has breached the rules,
    and 10 place grid penalty ,reprimands, drive through…
    might as well not take part in the race ;)

  3. Armchair Expert (@armchairexpert) said on 12th October 2013, 9:46

    Penalties are getting sillier and sillier.

    • Dave (@raceprouk) said on 12th October 2013, 10:49

      You’d have given him a grid place drop instead? He already has one of those IIRC. At least this penalty has an actual measurable effect.

      Yes, I know the grid place drop is consistent with others ;-)

    • Problem now is if he goes a lap down quite early on, and then with a safety car there has to be 3 extra safety car laps to let him pass and catch up the pack at delta speed – despite the incident already having been cleared. There are always numerous anomalies in the rules..

  4. James said on 12th October 2013, 9:47

    Maybe he’s just colourblind or something?

  5. kcarrey (@kcarrey) said on 12th October 2013, 9:49

    BOO!!! stewards. BOO!!!

  6. Troy Longstaff (@troylongstaff) said on 12th October 2013, 9:51

    Is that even legal? Sounds pretty harsh to me, but it also sounds like a silly mistake to make on Pic’s behalf, a red light is there for a reason after all.

  7. mildertduck (@mildertduck) said on 12th October 2013, 9:54

    This is a really sensible penalty. A grid drop would move him from… last to last, so is no real penalty, unless they make him start on the support race grid before 130R! Giving a penalty like this should be done more often, I think!

  8. TommyB (@tommyb89) said on 12th October 2013, 9:54

    The penalty seems like an odd one but it’s actually a very good and logical call from the stewards for a change. Grid drop does nothing to hurt Marussia or Caterham drivers and they punish Pic for his dangerous error and not the team. Good call.

    • Red Andy (@red-andy) said on 12th October 2013, 10:06

      Yes, I agree. Unlike another grid penalty, this has real detriment.

      With the introduction of the penalty points system next year, I imagine we won’t see this one repeated too often, though.

  9. Alfie (@alfie) said on 12th October 2013, 10:08

    I wonder if he could try taking it on the formation lap. It wouldn’t really affect his grid position.

  10. Lewisham Milton said on 12th October 2013, 10:20

    They should put the red light on just as he’s driving through.

    If he ignores it again, there’s clearly a problem…

  11. iAltair (@ialtair) said on 12th October 2013, 10:23

    Probably one of the worst penalty ever. Going into the race knowing that you already have to do one drive through.

  12. Force Maikel (@force-maikel) said on 12th October 2013, 10:27

    If a driver croses the red light twice he should be suspended for the race. At least thats how I see it.

    • Force Maikel (@force-maikel) said on 12th October 2013, 10:37

      To explain what I mean.

      My cousin has managed to get caught twice by a traffic camera for ignoring red lights twice in the same month. His driver liscence was supsended for two months. Now I know regular trafic isn’t racing however a red light is global; it means stop and on an airfaild a jumbo jet also has to stop for a red light if it is taxiing towards the runway. if you miss it once, OK take the penalty. You miss it twice then we have problem that need to be sanctioned.

      • Prisoner Monkeys (@prisoner-monkeys) said on 12th October 2013, 11:03

        It’s a slightly different system in Formula 1. The red light simply means that the circuit is closed. It’s not really a safety issue the way it is on the road, because the drivers enter the pits and rejoin the race all the time. The lane is designed to allow them to do this as safely as possible.

  13. Hamish said on 12th October 2013, 11:05

    I believe they should be handing out drive through penalties before races more often as opposed to grid drops.

    Having a driver to serve his penalty at his discretion during the race would only add to the spectacle.

    Better than the sprinkler system idea at least.

  14. Palle (@palle) said on 12th October 2013, 11:43

    I remember Montoya being black-flagged for ignoring red light at pit exit during a race, http://www.formula1.com/news/headlines/2005/6/3158.html, so Pic’s punishment here is small in comparison.

    • Strontium (@strontium) said on 12th October 2013, 16:20

      Back in Canada a few years ago Massa and Kubica (I think) were also disqualified for the same.

      The stewards just get worse and worse.

      • Dizzy said on 12th October 2013, 16:29

        That was during the race though & the penalty for that is an immediate disqualification.

        During practice/qualifying the regulations for missing the red pit exit light have always been different compared to the race (As have other bits of regulation). It used to be a fine but since the FIA can’t fine drivers now they have introduced new penalty’s.

      • Mr win or lose said on 12th October 2013, 20:43

        Yeah and one year later Hamilton tried to do the same. Luckily he was stopped by Räikkönen or else he was disqualified too.

        • Mr win or lose said on 12th October 2013, 20:44

          P.S. It was Fisichella. Kubica stopped as he was supposed to do, but he crashed heavily soon afterwards.

  15. Ifuel said on 12th October 2013, 14:44

    What if he is colorblind?

    • Dave (@raceprouk) said on 12th October 2013, 14:45

      Then he’d use the position of the lights instead. IIRC, the red light is mounted higher.

    • Even simpler than that, he just wouldn’t be allowed to race if he couldn’t distinguish the difference in colour. It’d be too big a safety risk.

      • salcrich said on 12th October 2013, 17:06

        Strange you should say that I was sat here thinking he has ignored a RED flag and two RED lights it would actually be quite bizarre If he was colour blind and had kept it secret!! Do drivers get tested for colour blindness?

      • Patrick (@paeschli) said on 12th October 2013, 19:12

        @vettel1 Why would a colour-blind driver be a safety risk? Colour-blinded people are allowed to drive on our roads.

        Also I think Pic will do his stop at the end of the first lap to get some fresh air.

        • @paeschli that’s because you don’t really need to be able to distinguish colours in everyday driving: you can tell from traffic light position, and that’s about all there is that’s colour dependant!

          Whereas in F1 it’s crucial to be able to distinguish between flag colours. Which most would be able to do I presume unless it’s particularly bad, which it would have to be if you couldn’t distinguish between the red and green lights.

          Say in a hypothetical scenario a driver cannot tell the difference between a yellow and green flag, and all radio communication has been lost. They could potentially come steaming into a yellow flag zone, which would be very dangerous for the marshal’s.

          • Dave (@raceprouk) said on 12th October 2013, 19:24

            I may be mistaken, but green flags are static, and yellows are always waved. Plus aren’t there lights on the wheel anyway?

          • JamieFranklinF1 (@jamiefranklinf1) said on 12th October 2013, 20:30

            Colour-blindness comes in a few different forms. I, myself am red/green colour blind, which is the most common, and I have no trouble telling the difference between them when I see the lights and flags.

    • Sharon H (@sharoncom) said on 12th October 2013, 20:47

      Colour vision is a requirement of the racing license. Racing drivers can only have a maximum of three errors on the Ishihara Test. You have to be able to differentiate all of the flags as well.

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