Alonso to celebrate points record on Indian GP helmet

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Fernando Alonso helmet, 2013 Indian Grand PrixFernando Alonso will mark his record F1 points tally with a special helmet design for the Indian Grand Prix.

Alonso became F1’s all-time highest points scorer at the Japanese Grand Prix, reaching a tally of 1,571 points, surpassing Michael Schumacher’s previous record of 1,566.

The two totals don’t bear direct comparison as the value of different finishing positions has changed many times in F1 history. For example a win was originally value at eight points, Schumacher scored ten for each of his 91 victories, and 25 points has been given to race winners since 2010.

Alonso’s helmet also carries a message of thanks to his fans in English, French and Italian.

“To see my name leading the points record for a sport like Formula One is something I never imagined,” said Alonso after claiming the record in Japan. “Thanks to everyone!”

See here for a list of every F1 world champions’ points totals adjusted to the current scoring system:

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  1. Alonso’s helmet also carries a message of thanks to his fans in English, French and Italian.

    Nice touch, even if the overall concept behind the design has it’s basis in a meaningless statistic!

    • Joshua Mesh (@joshua-mesh) said on 22nd October 2013, 22:26

      Come now, dont be so sour. Sooner or later Vettel will celebrate the exact same thing.

      • Hotbottoms (@hotbottoms) said on 22nd October 2013, 22:48

        @joshua-mesh
        How is that sour? Alonso’s points record is meaningless.

        I’m not sure if Alonso is being serious with all this celebrating, but it seems a little pathetic in my opinion. Vettel is winning everything and already has better statistics than Alonso, so Fernando has to cling on something.

        • I would guess that he has been encouraged to celebrate by his fans on twitter or by his sponsors.

        • MazdaChris (@mazdachris) said on 23rd October 2013, 14:07

          Should he not feel like this is an accomplishment then? I mean, it’s still a significant achievement which reflects the long period during which he’s competed at the sharp end of F1. I wouldn’t say it was any different to a driver, for instance, celebrating his hundredth GP, or some other landmark moment in their career.

          But of course there are plenty of people who think that Alonso is Dick Dastardly and won’t allow even the smallest recognition of what he’s achieved in F1.

      • Nick (@nick-uk) said on 22nd October 2013, 23:38

        It’s pointless because Schumacher has alround 2000 more points than him when assessed on the modern points scheme for his whole career.

        • Let’s see, Ascari, Fangio, Prost, Schumacher, had this record before. Sounds like good company. If it is totally pointless and meaningless, how come Luca Badoer or Sakon Yamamoto don’t have it? Or why pretty good pilots as Button or Barrichello came nowhere near to get it? Yes, we all know the limitations of this particular stat. But it doesn’t mean it is meaningless and not worth celebrating.

          • Keith Collantine (@keithcollantine) said on 23rd October 2013, 8:19

            it doesn’t mean it is meaningless

            Yes it does because it values a win by Alonso or Vettel today as being worth more than three times as much as one by Farina or Fangio when the world championship was started.

            Clearly it is unfair to drivers whose careers ended before the current system was introduced. To invest any meaning in it does them a disservice.

            It is quite literally meaningless.

          • Chris (@tophercheese21) said on 23rd October 2013, 9:10

            @keithcollantine

            But it’s also a disservice to say that Alonso’s points achievement is meaningless.

            It’s not his fault the points system has changed.

            To me this whole debate is unbelievably pedantic. He’s an incredible driver who has scored a lot of points.

            Just leave it at that. Why make anything more of it?

            Like others saying “oh he just wants some attention”, that’s just pathetic nit picking (not you Keith, but others).

          • Hyoko said on 23rd October 2013, 9:42

            For what it’s worth, I believe any other driver would have celebrated the record, and probably wouldn’t have catched so much flak.

            Only an ignorant of all things F1 would take the record at face value, i. e., believing Alonso is the top scorer of all time (in fact he is third after Schuey and Prost in equalised points, which is not bad I think). I don’t think you will find many such ignorants here in F1Fanatic, no need to go all over again with the points per race in the early days (and to be fair Farina and Fangio had it relatively easy to get the record as they did, they had no Schuey before them with a mountain of points. In fact Farina got it after just one race).

            When Button hit 1000 points, the line was that the value of the statistic was “rather limited” which is fair enough. Now that Alonso has the points record it is totally meaningless, which I think isn’t. Seems like some drivers are more equal than the others.

          • Keith Collantine (@keithcollantine) said on 23rd October 2013, 10:19

            @tophercheese21

            But it’s also a disservice to say that Alonso’s points achievement is meaningless.

            No it isn’t, because the points system is horribly skewed in favour of recent drivers when trying to make this kind of comparison.

            If I were making a case for what a great driver Alonso is, I’d say he’s won more races than almost every other driver. I’d say he’s a two times world champion and, for the sake of eight points (or so), could easily have three more titles. I’d say he defeated seven-times champion Michael Schumacher in 2006 with one of the best season-long performances by a competitor I’ve ever seen in F1.

            I wouldn’t try to argue that a points system which used to give eight points for a win and now gives eight points for sixth place is any kind of meaningful basis for comparison.

          • Stagger (@stagger) said on 23rd October 2013, 10:41

            @keithcollantine the way you said it because of the point change we can also say that Schumacher’s 7WC are meaningless, because of the point change. As I read in one of your articles, if the current system was like this all the time, it would be A.Prost with 7 WC and not Michael…

          • Hotbottoms (@hotbottoms) said on 23rd October 2013, 10:57

            @stagger
            I don’t know how you can read Keith’s post like that. The point system was the same for everyone every year that Prost and Schumacher won their championships.

            But do you really think that, for instance, Vettel’s 2011 season was more than three times better than Mansell’s 1992 season or four times better than Senna’s 1991 season? I mean, that’s how much more points Vettel got.

          • Stagger (@stagger) said on 23rd October 2013, 11:07

            @hotbottoms no, Im speaking for the record of Alonso of more points than any other driver. Alonso ,in a way, benefit from the systems point change and came up with more points ever archived. The same way MS benefit from WC points calculation and came up 7 times WC. I dont see the reason why Alonsos record is meaningless on this perspective. (and the point system wasnt the same, it was the time when driver lower points from a race were removed, Keith has a great article about it.. im at work and i dont have time to find it now)

          • Hotbottoms (@hotbottoms) said on 23rd October 2013, 11:18

            @stagger
            It’s true that during 1950-1990 points from all the races weren’t counted towards a championships. But it doesn’t have anything to do with this, because the system was still the same for everyone.

            We can compare Prost’s points total to Mansell’s in 1986 season, because they both got points according to the same system. For the same reason we can compare Schumacher’s points total to Häkkinen’s in 2000 and Alonso’s points total to Schumacher in 2006. But we cannot compare Alonso’s points total in 2013 to Schumacher’s in 2002, because (among other reasons) the former gets 25 points for a victory while the latter only got 10 points.

          • Keith Collantine (@keithcollantine) said on 23rd October 2013, 11:24

            @stagger I’m not making any such claim.

          • Andy (@turbof1) said on 23rd October 2013, 13:12

            @stagger he isn’t saying this at all. What Alonso achieved until now is very, very meaningful. However, celebrating it now in this context is VERY meaningless. He is celebrating this as a record, while the record is flawed into its core. And celebrating such a flawed record, is meaningless. Again, his achievements are very much something to look up to.

            If we backtrack all the driver’s achievements, including Alonso’s pre-2010 finishes, and apply the current point system on it, and Alonso breaks that record, then we have a very meaningful record.

          • @stagger with the new points system in place Schumacher would still have won all his titles except the 1994 championship. Those championships are therefore clearly more meaningful than Alonso’s points tally, which is a mere half of what Schuey would have racked up under the present system.

            What’s more, with a hat tip to Quora, if the difference in points system would have influenced the outcome of any race itself, it would surely have denied Schumacher the motivation to go kamikaze on Villeneuve in 1997, and he would have got his seventh championship after all.

        • Journeyer (@journeyer) said on 23rd October 2013, 4:20

          @nick-uk Way more than 2000. Schumi would be on 3890 points to be exact.

          It’s a nice helmet, at least. After all, this may be the only stat where Alonso finishes ahead of Schumi. 7 world titles is a stretch for Fernando at this point – and that’s before you consider Sebastian Vettel.

        • Stagger (@stagger) said on 23rd October 2013, 12:05

          @hotbottoms im not compering points per season but as a total, MS and Alonso were both racing in both systems. In the one hand, with different points system you have 7 WC’s and on the other hand you have 1571 points, both acquired in different point systems. I dont say you’re wrong but the whole thing about if he has more points or not, cannot be both right and wrong depends of your perspective.

          • Stagger (@stagger) said on 23rd October 2013, 12:06

            Cannot can

          • hobo (@hobo) said on 23rd October 2013, 13:32

            @stagger – I cannot tell if you are high or thick, or if maybe there is just a language barrier that has led to this. In case it is the latter, I will try to explain.

            MSC’s 7 driver’s titles have nothing to do with the point system. He would have won the titles under any system. Under any system. Yes? Okay.

            To make a comparison, pretend that when ALO won his driver’s titles, the rules stated that each one title was worth three titles. Sounds ridiculous but this is pretend. That would mean ALO would have six titles (and VET would be on the verge of twelve).

            Sounds stupid, right? That is what is happening with points. One year a win was worth 10 pts, the very next year it was worth 25 pts. If Driver A got three wins the first year and Driver B got three wins the second year, do you really think that Driver B is 2.5x better?

          • @hobo – Not strictly true. With the same race outcomes under the new points system, Hill would have pipped him in 1994. Not that it makes comparing points and comparing championships equivalent.

    • Prof Kirk (@prof-kirk) said on 22nd October 2013, 22:40

      However, it’s a meaningless statistic that will annoy Seb

    • crr917 (@crr917) said on 22nd October 2013, 22:50

      Schumacher’s 91 wins brought him 910pts. Had he raced under the current point system the score goes to 2275pts. That’s how meaningless this statistic actually is.
      The white helmet is nice, though.

    • Ricardo Perez Pandelo said on 23rd October 2013, 5:03

      Meaningless why? ’cause it isn’t MS?..I respect Fangio as if I were his contemporary..history is past and present is evolution to make a better history, so 1571 pts are that 1571 pts a RECORD at present and for History

    • Oletros (@oletros) said on 23rd October 2013, 6:10

      But strange that he didn’t put the Spanish “Gracias” for his Spanish fans

    • JCost (@jcost) said on 23rd October 2013, 20:36

      +1. If I was Alonso I wouldn’t give it two cents

    • karter22 (@karter22) said on 24th October 2013, 4:07

      @keithcollantine

      Alonso’s helmet also carries a message of thanks to his fans in English, French and Italian.

      You got it wrong! He is not thanking his fans, he is thanking the 3 teams that have allowed him to obatain the points that have him as points leader. merci: RENAULT, thank you: McLaren and Grazie: Ferrari! He said so in his FaceBook and twitter account!

      @vettel1
      After reading all the discussion…. Lighten up a bit Max, remember that sooner rather than later, Vettel will hold that one as wel so everything you are saying will revert to him and you might not like it as all the Alonso fans might not like it.

  2. Simon (@s162000) said on 22nd October 2013, 22:57

    Bit pointless if you ask me!

  3. John H (@john-h) said on 22nd October 2013, 23:05

    I probably sit somewhere in-between the Vettel and Alonso camps, but let me just say that I cannot believe Alonso is celebrating this as some sort of achievement. I find it utterly bizarre to be honest.

  4. Deej92 (@deej92) said on 22nd October 2013, 23:29

    Vettel probably has a better reason to change his helmet design for the gazillionth time this weekend than this.

  5. OmarR-Pepper (@omarr-pepper) said on 22nd October 2013, 23:37

    If Vettel appears with one helmet showing 2010, 2011, 2012 and 2013, that will be meaningful!!!
    And BTW, is Alonso planing to stay with the same amount of points after the race? I’m foreseing a first-lap botch for Alonso!!! ;P

  6. Jon (@jons) said on 22nd October 2013, 23:46

    The stat is pointless, I think he just wants to share the spotlight with Vettel when he Seb winning his fourth WDC.
    It’s a way to say “hey, look, I’m still here!, and I’m breaking some records too! Please, look at me! Please…”

    Alonso is a hell of a driver, an all-time great (makes the top8 imo) even if he only has two WDCs, but this is ridiculous.

  7. Broom (@brum55) said on 23rd October 2013, 0:10

    Hilarious. He should milk it for all its worth. Next race he should wear a helmet with his new points tally and so on ….at least until Vettel inevitably gets that record as well.

  8. well he himself acknowledges its bit meaning less stat, you expect him to feel bad for his achievement ? you guys should stop with this hating already, All time points leader in f1 is great, a true f1 fan can always appreciate this achievement, i am happy for him.

    • Keith Collantine (@keithcollantine) said on 23rd October 2013, 7:48

      @f1007

      you expect him to feel bad for his achievement?

      Of course not.

      stop with this hating already

      Pointing out the statistic is meaningless does not constitute “hating”.

      • maarten.f1 (@maarten-f1) said on 23rd October 2013, 9:51

        Pointing out the statistic is meaningless does not constitute “hating”.

        @keithcollantine it does on the Internet ;)

      • @keithcollantine i am talking about some comments on the page, “he trying to grab attention”, “trying to cling on to something”…n.. so on, is utter non-sense. Converted points is good stat to have, but record books dont work like that, like alonso says, next time when some one breaks his record, no one will even bother about the points system etc ….so all i am saying is lets appreciate for what it is, instead of dismissing it.

        • Keith Collantine (@keithcollantine) said on 23rd October 2013, 15:42

          @f1007

          like Alonso says, next time when some one breaks his record, no one will even bother about the points system

          I’m not aware of that quote, can you give a link to it?

          • @keithcollantine http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/24511959 here he says “I know the points system changed, but when someone overtakes me in the points no-one will remember the points system changed.”

          • @f1007 well that’s quite simply a stupid comment, as clearly a lot of us have remembered that the points have changed when applied to the current “record”.

          • well there is no pleasing you is it ?? when he celebrates its a problem coz its meaning less according to you, now even him agreeing with you makes him wrong again ?? this is the hate i was talking about.

          • Oletros (@oletros) said on 23rd October 2013, 20:04

            now even him agreeing with you makes him wrong again

            No, he doesn’t agree with him.

            Still waiting were the hate is

          • Keith Collantine (@keithcollantine) said on 23rd October 2013, 20:14

            @f1007 Thanks for that. I can’t say I agree with Alonso’s view though – people haven’t forgotten the points system changed recently, nor have they forgotten it changed many other times before then. There’s no reason to assume that will be forgotten in future.

          • @keithcollantine are you saying even Micheal’s points lead is meaning less if points system changed from the day f1 started ? if thats the case there is no point in keeping record of points over years, everything should start from 0 every season. I do not think so.

          • Keith Collantine (@keithcollantine) said on 23rd October 2013, 23:00

            @f1007 I wouldn’t invest any meaning in Alonso’s 1,571 points or Schumacher’s 1,566 if that’s what you mean. Both competed in F1 through three different points systems (1991-2002, 2003-2009, 2010-present) for differing lengths of time, so they don’t bear comparison.

            Pick two drivers who only ever competed under the same system and that would obviously be a fair comparison.

  9. Shreyas Mohanty (@) said on 23rd October 2013, 3:32

    I will wait and see how these guys react when Vettel will get this exact same record! ;) Yeah, the stat is meaningless though.

  10. Malik (@malik) said on 23rd October 2013, 3:55

    Take it easy F1 fanatics! Let us face the fact that Alonso is already one of the greatest drivers of all time. If we consider total career points recalculated to the 2010 scoring system, Alonso will got 2414 points being third behind Michael Schumacher and Alain Prost which is a huge achievement. But The FACT is : Alonso is NOW holding the record of total career points. Let him celebrate. I find the helmet nice too :)

    • Rockie said on 23rd October 2013, 13:13

      I am sorry but he’s not the greatest driver of all time and Also he does not come close.
      If he cant beat Vettel while in his prime, what happens when Vettel reaches his prime?
      Next year is there as well to judge him as those who are not fans of Vettel say we need Vettel to be tested, well Alonso would get his test next year and we would see whether its him that makes the Ferrari look good or Massa is finished as a driver.

      • Malik (@malik) said on 23rd October 2013, 14:02

        @Rockie: I have to say first that I’m fan of Sebastian Vettel and personally I think he is the best driver on the current grid and of the best of all time, but Alonso is great too. Consistency of results that Alonso had been able to achieve is impressive and I respect that though I’m not a fan of him.

  11. Chris (@tophercheese21) said on 23rd October 2013, 4:13

    I don’t get why people are ripping Alonso a new one, over a helmet livery.

    Some may think it means nothing because the points system has changed over time, but it’s still a huge achievement to have amassed this many points, regardless of the points system.

    Pedantic debate aside, I think this design looks good. :)

  12. I have been looking for a list of the previous recordholders but couldn’t find one

    My tentative list, mostly a hunch, is: Nino Farina, Alberto Ascari, Juan Manuel Fangio, Graham Hill, Jackie Stewart, Alain Prost, Michael Schumacher. A pretty impressive list to be in, IMHO. And I specially like the fact that the one driver I ever loathed didn’t make it, even though lots of people think he was the best ever.

    Anyone has the true list? Please post it, thanks a lot!!

  13. prelvu (@prelvu) said on 23rd October 2013, 4:32

    By Todays Points
    1. M. Schumacher >> 3890 <<
    2. A. Prost 2483
    3. F. Alonso 2414
    So that record its just another "I'm important and people Give me Attention"

    • Michael Venter said on 23rd October 2013, 11:47

      Take away all the driver aids (ABS, Sequential Gearboxes etc), there is still only one ‘Michael Schumacher’. Remember, he took on most of the best (including Aerton Senna) and beat them @ their own game!

    • Hyoko said on 23rd October 2013, 13:22

      Meaning that Alonso is only 70 points away of the 2nd position ever in equalised points. Pretty hard to get it in 2013 but not impossible. But surely he will have it done early in 2014.

      When Alonso gets 1640 (crude) points he will be on par with Prost in equalised points, with 1641 he will be 2nd ever (until Vettel gets ahead), but beating Schumacher’s record seems way too much.

      • hobo (@hobo) said on 23rd October 2013, 13:40

        Exactly, Hyoko.

        This helmet is essentially saying, “I’m nearly second in points!” And I think we all can agree that is ridiculous.

        • No we don’t, I don’t see why it is ridiculous. To be second, or nearly second, in points of all time drivers is no mean achievement. Alonso might wait until he beats Prost’s record in modern points and say, I am second now. But it would be too convoluted for the general public. Now it is the moment he got the crude points record and the time to celebrate it, he has every right to do so, no matter what people say.

    • Deb Luhi (@debeluhi) said on 23rd October 2013, 22:28

      Another thing, that can complicate any comparison and is unfair towards the drivers from the early F1 days, is the number of races in a season. It’s much easier these days to accumulate a lots of points with around 20 races per season even if the driver is not winning. The champions of the past didn’t have that opportunity.

  14. svarun (@svarun) said on 23rd October 2013, 4:55

    Just the same old anti-Alonso comments (as expected),
    but the fact is he is the highest scorer atleast within the current drivers.
    No one has issues when Vettel has ridiculous (and even hilarious )helmets almost each weekend.

    • Oletros (@oletros) said on 23rd October 2013, 6:22

      No one has issues when Vettel has ridiculous (and even hilarious )helmets almost each weekend.

      Just the same old anti-Alonso comments

      Oh, the irony with that comment

  15. Todd (@braketurnaccelerate) said on 23rd October 2013, 6:37

    I don’t really care about the helmet or what it stands for. But I do find it odd that the “Thank You” messages would be in French, English and Italian. Seemingly missing out on the more important Spanish message…

    • Hyoko said on 24th October 2013, 21:32

      Sorry if it has been said before. But I think it goes for the teams Rezza, Macca and Fezza, not the fans.

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