Lotus apologises for Raikkonen radio messages

2013 Indian Grand Prix

Kimi Raikkonen, Lotus, Buddh International Circuit, 2013Lotus say a heated radio exchange involving Kimi Raikkonen during yesterday’s race was “not appropriate” and apologised for it.

In the latter part of the race Raikkonen’s pace had slowed due to tyre wear. He fell to third place and was being caught by team mate Grosjean, who in turn was under pressure from Felipe Massa’s Ferrari.

Grosjean caught Raikkonen on the straight leading to turn four. But Raikkonen moved to cover the inside of the corner, then forced his team mate off the track.

A censored radio message from Lotus’s trackside operations director Alan Permane to Raikkonen was played during the race broadcast ordering him to “get out of the ******* way”. Raikkonen swore back at his team and told them not to talk to him while he was cornering.

Lotus team principal Eric Boullier said: “Romain was two seconds per lap faster than Kimi at that time, so it was not even a team order.”

“By asking Kimi to let Romain pass, we just made the obvious choice, as Massa could have stolen our podium.

“With hindsight, this radio message could have been sent in a less emotional way. There was a lot of tension, a lot of potential technical problems, and some of the words that flew around were simply not appropriate.

“I know that quite a few people were surprised and I can only apologise for that on behalf of the team. It won?t happen again.”

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187 comments on Lotus apologises for Raikkonen radio messages

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  1. Kanman1 said on 28th October 2013, 17:22

    I wonder why they didn;t pit Kimi immediately after watching him lapping 2 seconds slower.

    Its like watching Kimi hang to death but couldn;t careless about his rescue.

    Kimi might be extremely **** off with so many issues in 1 race.

    No rear brake, low on fuel, 6.7 seconds pit stop that further hamper him. Its not the first time kimi has had brake issues.

    • pablo said on 29th October 2013, 0:11

      have in mind one thing. For every point Kimi ads, lotus has to pay him euros 40.000. Now you have the answer.

    • robbyvert said on 29th October 2013, 9:01

      thats exacltly what everybody think
      even if kimi stand still don’t wanna pit, they shoul forced him to pitt, because they the one who knew the mathematically that kimi will overtaken by the rest 6 driver until end, and kimi don. even me and the comentator knew he dont make it after saw nico 2 secong faster

      i see more bad strategies for kimi this year instead the brilliant strategies

    • Osvaldas31 (@osvaldas31) said on 29th October 2013, 9:06

      Yeah, I was already begging Lotus to pit Kimi on after lap 45, because it was obvious that he won’t make it or he will drop outside top 10, so pitting him at least on lap 45 was the correct time and with fresher tyres he might have charged through the field.

  2. celeste (@celeste) said on 28th October 2013, 17:25

    So, Lotus is give up to the Kimi bullies?
    I don´t know what is the problem?… Kimi certanly has answered way worst.
    It was a fuel adreanline momento, no need to made a storm in a cup of tea…

    • Keith Collantine (@keithcollantine) said on 28th October 2013, 17:29

      @celeste I agree, I see no need for an apology here. When Raikkonen has a go at them, they put it on a T-shirt. When they have a go at him, they come out with this.

      The way I see it, it was in the heat of the moment and the FOM censor made sure we didn’t hear any naughty words. There’s no problem here.

      I expect there was rather more to the radio exchange than what was played. I don’t believe the first thing Raikkonen was told about Grosjean coming up behind him was a message telling him to “get out of the ******* way”.

      • Candice said on 28th October 2013, 17:33

        Kimi ‘s TR at abu dhabi was about the matter in hand. And with his monotone, he try to make his voice clearer by yelling. If you hear Kimi’s TR, he always sounds like yelling.

        Permane’s TR was directly abusive to Kimi personally with vulgar word on it.

        Two different stuff.

        • Keith Collantine (@keithcollantine) said on 28th October 2013, 18:20

          Permane’s TR was directly abusive to Kimi personally with vulgar word on it.

          No it wasn’t. He told Raikkonen to get out of the way and punctuated it with an obscenity. It was an expression of frustration. And how was it not “about the matter in hand”? Of course it was.

          The hypocrisy around this is staggering. Raikkonen swore on live television in 2006 and some people have practically deified him for it. And that was just a puerile remark for a laugh – at least Permane was doing his job.

          Grosjean’s race engineer used a swear word when speaking to him during qualifying which went uncensored. I don’t see anyone up in arms about this. Let’s not be so naive to pretend language like this isn’t used all the time in professional sport, especially when emotions are running high.

          The only “abusive” messages in this are those which have come from Raikkonen fans:

          https://twitter.com/jesse8james3/status/394456298068377600
          https://twitter.com/WY1017/status/394475218321674240

          • antifia (@antifia) said on 28th October 2013, 18:50

            Couldn’t agree more

          • celeste (@celeste) said on 28th October 2013, 19:02

            Agree with every word…Some Kimi´s fans are over reacting

          • Hairs (@hairs) said on 28th October 2013, 19:39

            Why is anyone pretending swearing on the radio is newsworthy at all? Haven’t we known that apart from “under duress” use, teams have deliberately used swearing to prevent important messages getting re-broadcast in the past?

            Deeply ******* stupid.

          • PMccarthy_is_a_legend (@pmccarthy_is_a_legend) said on 28th October 2013, 20:08

            @keithcollantine Yeah it wasn’t great. Permane is a team director so he should really show a bit of restraint there. It is understandable that they were under great pressure from Massa, but if you can avoid the use of obscenities, then its better to do so. Besides it was a slightly aggressive use of the f word too. And the same should apply to Kimi too.
            Don’t get me wrong, I really enjoy funny radio messages, or frustrated one’s, it shows the human side of F1. I don’t mind the f word as long its not used in a aggressive manner, but I don’t think this was the case.

          • Angelia (@angelia) said on 28th October 2013, 20:09

            It isn’t about the swearing, that doesn’t matter. It is about a senior team member screaming at an employee in public. You just dont do it.

            Or does your own boss scream and swear at you in public or in front of customers?

            Permane is suppose to keep a cool head as the team strategst and as a senior member in the team. Have we ever seen Massa or Webber being spoken to like this? Kimi was the one with the adrenalin driving in the actual race. Worse if it wasn’t for Permane’s terrible strategy Kimi wouldn’t have been there in the first place.

          • Patrick (@paeschli) said on 28th October 2013, 20:29

            F1 fans acting like football fans … again …

            I think Permane did the right job, no need to apologise.

          • Vortex Motio (@vortexmotio) said on 28th October 2013, 21:26

            It might be helpful to look beyond the cuss words, and the “Kimi bullies”. Permane’s error was to become too emotional in a key situation. For an engineer of his experience and position to commit such a primary error was surprising.

            But in the context that the financial future of the team is very much up in the air, (perhaps he already knew that they are forced to take Maldonado and his PDVSA dollars next season). Of course another primary mistake was made the day before, which is their embarrassing miscalculation on what time would be needed to get out of Q1. An error like that points to a real weakness in Lotus’ engineering, given that Mercedes published their estimated Q1 cut-off time on the radios and it was spot on.

            It’s too bad Lotus doesn’t have more money, but it doesn’t excuse those errors either.

          • Kimi4WDC said on 28th October 2013, 22:11

            Do not agree, this just highlight the issues this team has. There are plenty of things in the air and are solved upon the issue is forced. This also explains exactly why Lotus keep on doing same mistakes again and again. Management of the team is not competent enough to become TOP team.

          • David Margono (@woshidavid95) said on 28th October 2013, 23:07

            @keithcollantine
            Agreed, the hypocrisy and double standards among certain ‘fans’ are simply beyond belief; if it were Grosjean who forced Raikkonen off the track I bet they would also be lining up to stone Grosjean to death, but oh wait since it’s Raikkonen it just means that ‘he knows what he’s doing’ doesn’t it >_> Tsk.

          • David Margono (@woshidavid95) said on 28th October 2013, 23:08

            they would all*

          • Blackbox (@blackbox) said on 29th October 2013, 8:30

            Keith,
            justifying Permane’s language by something Raikkonen said 7 years(!) ago or by wording used by some stranger in net (“Raikkonen fans”) is bit far fetched. Raikkonen hardly cannot be responsible for everything that is being said in the net.

            As for the individuals involved, do believe both Raikkonen and Permane will get over this after a discussion.

            The only loser here is Lotus PR. Their performance this year together with Raikkonen has won over lot of fans. Using this kind of language towards their driver will not help Lotus in any way.

          • john salter said on 29th October 2013, 11:37

            Not impressed with this argument at all.

            Permane is a senior member of the team talking to a highly respected driver. It’s not just the low language, it’s the total disrespect. That really is beneath contempt. You wouldn’t find any other second in command in any other team behaving in that vulgar way to their driver. Not to a rookie, never mind a WDC.
            Keith you are plain wrong.

      • Candice said on 28th October 2013, 17:40

        Romain almost took Kimi out at Singapore 2012, Spa 2013 and Korea 2013.

        Where were Alan Permane??

        In germany, Romain use bad radio as excuses for not letting Kimi through. he ended up holding kimi for 5 laps before letting Kimi pass. On that point, kimi’s used option had already scream enough.

        In bahrain 2012, team didn’t use team order until it was too late. Eric said he didn’t want to hurt Romain’s feeling.

        Team rather lose wins than upsetting Romain.

        • antifia (@antifia) said on 28th October 2013, 18:49

          Perhaps because he knew for some time already who he could count on and who would jump ship at the first sight of a few extra bucks.

          • Steve said on 28th October 2013, 19:05

            Or, you know, any bucks…

          • MarkM (@mpmark) said on 28th October 2013, 19:51

            @antifia I’m guessing you have a bi-weekly paycheck and work at a desk? Tell me how long you’d sit on your ass if your employer delayed your checks.

            Few extra bucks? how about sticking with the contract and paying him on time, your comment is total nonsense. Why do you think Hulk hasnt gone there yet, he wants to see the money before he becomes the next sucker.

          • TheBass (@) said on 28th October 2013, 22:38

            @mpmark According to all sources, the reason Hulkenberg hasn’t signed for Lotus yet it’s because Lotus hasn’t said yes, not the other way around. Let’s not make up stuff now, please.

        • robbyvert said on 28th October 2013, 21:35

          right, romain hold him to long, and we not hear kimi complaint about him, even his the only one who can beat vettel, kimi and RGt are rival, and lotus should know them. Its absolutely lotus fault if they dont give the instruction before, and kimi foul if he got instruction before

        • David Margono (@woshidavid95) said on 28th October 2013, 23:16

          Candice, perhaps it was because, oh I don’t know, Grosjean wasn’t on heavily worn tyres and didn’t force Raikkonen off the track while a rival team was in hot pursuit >_> SMH like seriously at some Raikkonen fans…

      • @keithcollantine Kimi fanboys and fangirls will never handle something like this. But I think Lotus can handle such things much better with more control.

      • celeste (@celeste) said on 28th October 2013, 17:49

        I expect there was rather more to the radio exchange than what was played. I don’t believe the first thing Raikkonen was told about Grosjean coming up behind him was a message telling him to “get out of the ******* way”.

        Maybe there was something before… it is the downside of not getting all the radio transmition, a frase of word take out of context or with out listen to an entire conversation can sound a lot worst than what it was

      • scratt (@scratt) said on 28th October 2013, 17:49

        Keith, the language was utterly unprofessional. Period.
        For that alone an apology was warranted. Regardless of the driver or the scenario.

        As for any radio messages to Kimi about Grosjean approaching, it was clear from Kimi´s own response he was not fully aware of the drivers behind him. And based on mistakes in this race, and previous ones by Lotus I would not be at all surprised if Kimi was not kept fully abreast of what was going on.

        But my conjecture is as useless as yours without the full facts. So it would be best if we both worked on the information we had rather than giving what could be completely erroneous opinons.

        • Keith Collantine (@keithcollantine) said on 28th October 2013, 18:23

          @scratt

          it would be best if we both worked on the information we had rather than giving what could be completely erroneous opinions

          That’s a fair point but I don’t see it happening and besides which Lotus have issued this unnecessary mea culpa based on what was broadcast.

          • scratt (@scratt) said on 28th October 2013, 18:45

            Your comment about Permane being the messenger (below) is also a valid one tbh.

            Overall I think Grosjean was the most level headed about this. His description after the race of Kimi being in a “bad situation” was quite statesman-like.

            Kimi obviously didn´t want to let Grosjean past easily. Although I am sure he knew it was inevitable that he would get past.

            I think the Mercedes bearing down on them both, the timing of it all coming together at that corner, and his tyres then catching him out contributed to the whole situation.

          • OmarR-Pepper (@omarr-pepper) said on 28th October 2013, 19:50

            At any case, both Permane and Kimi should apologize @keithcollantine . I mean, if they keep twitting that “kimi knows what he’s doing” and then apologise when he is told off for doing wrong, the only result is that it looks like Kimi is the boss and Permane the employee,

          • Patrick (@paeschli) said on 28th October 2013, 20:32

            +1 @omarr-pepper Kimi should apologise too … but that’s never going to happen

          • john salter said on 29th October 2013, 11:45

            KC has made up his mind, please don’t confuse him with facts or information.

      • BasCB (@bascb) said on 28th October 2013, 17:51

        I guess its because Lotus know how many Kimi fans are out there @keithcollantine. But honestly, I was saying much the same under my breath :-)

        • celeste (@celeste) said on 28th October 2013, 20:08

          More likely because of the Kimi fans that have taken to threatening a team member.

          IMHO Lotus should have stan for itself and it´s personal. I don´t think F1 public is so delicate that can´t takes censored swearing.

          • Candice said on 29th October 2013, 6:09

            imagine your fav driver being sweared at.

            Put yourself in other;s shoe. Its equally laughable to expect the fans to be happy with their driver being yelled and sweared at.

          • celeste (@celeste) said on 29th October 2013, 6:52

            Considering how my favorite driver talks, I will be shock if swearing between team members wasn´t part of his daily rutin… And surely Kimi use swear words even more than the other drivers… so let´s not exagerate…

      • Red Andy (@red-andy) said on 28th October 2013, 18:05

        @keithcollantine

        I expect there was rather more to the radio exchange than what was played. I don’t believe the first thing Raikkonen was told about Grosjean coming up behind him was a message telling him to “get out of the ******* way”.

        The fact that it was Alan Permane delivering the message strongly suggests that Raikkonen had already ignored an instruction from his own race engineer.

        • Vin s said on 28th October 2013, 18:19

          Hey, the real question is how does Grosjean always end up in a “crashing” position at wheel to wheel, even when the driver he wants to overtake is 2 seconds a lap slower. Did you not see how Rosberg got the job completed with little fuss…. That how it’s suppose to be done.

        • Keith Collantine (@keithcollantine) said on 28th October 2013, 18:49

          @red-andy

          The fact that it was Alan Permane delivering the message strongly suggests that Raikkonen had already ignored an instruction from his own race engineer.

          Indeed – as with Grosjean and Boullier in Korea.

          • Candice said on 29th October 2013, 6:11

            Eric Boullier told Skysport kimi was unaware.

            Alan said he thought Kimi was smart enough.

            Speak volume about 0 communication being held beforehand.

            Keith ‘s kimi hater character keep showing up. SMH

        • chiliz00 (@chiliz00) said on 31st October 2013, 4:58

          Look further to the point here, I agree with Keith C… Kimi is not a rookie… it’s just gabage for anyone to think he was not aware that he was slower than RG…Kimi should really have done the team player thing and gotten out of the way well ahead of time he had nothing to gain or lose (totally out of the champiioship on both counts)… ok yes the team c@#$ed up the strategy but this would not be the first time this has happened in F1, and also to Kimi, so he should know better and understand that s@#$ happens… to say that the team should not have used sterner words, which correctly or incorrectly included an obscenity, is terribly wrong coz Kimi should have been out of the way well before that.. he knew he was not competitive and therefore had no business being in that position I mean he was handicapped with the finished tyres… what, he didn’t know his tyres were shot and that the people coming behind including a teammate were substantially faster?..tsk PLEASE.. Lotus should not have even apologized publicly here coz Kimi (former world champion and one of the most experienced drivers on th grid today) is to blame for that outburst totally beacause he failed to be aware of what was happening around him… Kimi can’t be given a pass just because people like him…

          • scratt (@scratt) said on 31st October 2013, 8:36

            How was Kimi supposed to be aware of what was going on around him?
            Using his handy iPad with Live Telemetry that he has in the cockpit?
            Looking at the TV feed as he drove around the track?
            Reading pit boards?
            Or from team radio messages?
            Perhaps, using his ample wing mirrors to identify cars behind him?
            Or maybe using psychic powers.

            Kimi had none of the above.
            As has already been established, he was given no information by the team, and Grosjean picked a bad pace to pass. These are facts that are not disputed about the situation.

            How many times during a race do we hear other teams giving information on the position of other drivers to their drivers. How many times during a race do we hear drivers asking for the same info? Very often in both cases. Not in this case with Lotus – despite the impending situation being apparent for several laps.

            I think it is reasonable to assume that Kimi (especially given the problems he was dealing with with the car) could expect some info from his team when his team mate is coming up behind fast – and that the team and his team mate would not choose to do that with profanity nor in a fast corner.

            Notwithstanding any of that. The team on the pit wall should give calm impartial information to their drivers – at least on the first radio call on a particular subject. The fact that they failed in that task is not up for debate.

            The bottom line here is the team failed in their duties. And yet that is not what the apology is for. The apology is for their use of unprofessional language, which regardless of any other point you or I make, is just plain wrong – and should be apologised for.

          • Keith Collantine (@keithcollantine) said on 31st October 2013, 9:17

            @scratt

            he was given no information by the team

            We don’t hear all the messages that are broadcast to the drivers so I wouldn’t make that assumption.

            Normally drivers get messages from their race engineers in the first instance – Mark Slade in Raikkonen’s case. Other team members tend to get involved if there’s a matter of dispute, as we saw with this team in Korea where Grosjean repeatedly complained to his race engineer Ayao Komatsu about being stuck behind Raikkonen, to the point that Eric Boullier came on the radio and basically told him to pipe down.

            The only message played to Raikkonen about the traffic that we heard came from Alan Permane, which makes me wonder if there wasn’t some other dialogue before that. At the very least I’d’ve expected Raikkonen to have had a position update when he was passed by Rosberg, and information that the next car behind him was his team mate.

          • scratt (@scratt) said on 31st October 2013, 9:53

            I was under the impression (from ongoing discussion here and links provided) that Permane had confirmed that that was the first communication to Kimi on the subject. Is that not the case?

          • Keith Collantine (@keithcollantine) said on 31st October 2013, 17:44

            @scratt Not to the best of my knowledge.

          • Deb Luhi (@debeluhi) said on 1st November 2013, 0:02

            @scratt, the fact that Kimi took the defensive line shows that he knew that Roman is close behind. He also knew that Roman was catching him up very quickly because they do look in the mirrors. If you look in the mirror first time and there is no-one there and you look second time and there is someone all over your back side it means they are quicker than you, apart that he knew his tires are finished. So as a Kimi fan you shouldn’t suggest that he didn’t know what was going on, because you’re insulting his intelligence.

          • scratt (@scratt) said on 1st November 2013, 0:37

            Kimi was very clear after the race. He is there to race his team mate as well as any other pilot.

            He has also shown he is more than willing to follow team orders when appropriate. He did so when he was Massa’s team mate at Ferrari.

            This debate is not about what Kimi did or didn’t know about the situation. It is about what the team actually communicated to him, and how they communicated it.

            If asked to move over Kimi would have done so, I am sure. Until then, good tyres or bad tyres, fast car behind or not, he will rightly keep racing.

      • Vin s said on 28th October 2013, 18:25

        Keith, it doesn’t matter what you “expect” World Champion & Lotus Winner Kimi Raikkonen to do sitting behind your laptop! Kimi will do what he deems fit driving at 250kmph and making split second decisions out on track. This is not Codemasters F1 2013.

      • US_Peter (@us_peter) said on 28th October 2013, 18:36

        @keithcollantine I agree, it’s unfortunate they’ve felt they needed to apologize. If anything they should be putting THIS radio message on a shirt! I imagine someone will already have a design in the works even if Lotus don’t.

        • Kimi4WDC said on 28th October 2013, 22:16

          Of course they felt they needed to do so. Do you think it’s because of Grosjean their following more then doubled (their twitter tripled). Or it’s Grosjean who is scoring 2/3s of their points for past two years.

          It was handled very unprofessionally, clears up certain decisions what were made under pressure by Lotus in past. Maybe they need to revise certain things if they to become top team.

      • Soren T (@desdirodeabike) said on 28th October 2013, 19:51

        I am really disappointed and surprised to see that you view this as no apology was needed, Keith. First of all, in your example, Kimi did not swear to his team. He merely asked to be left alone to concentrate on his driving. And I thought you of all people would know the difference between a reply coming from a driver in the midst of a race and a profiled leader in a team shouting abuse from the pit wall to an employee in public. There are no words for how incredibly unprofessional that is. Anyone who runs a business or knows the slightest thing about proper conduct knows that this is just not done. It is reserved for closed doors. Not to mention that this kind of public behaviour towards a driver is unprecedented as far as I know in F1. Only thing I know that is slightly similar is Singapore 2008 and crash-gate with Flavios words to Piquet. Ironically it involved the same team. But its far from comparable.

        So an apology is the least they could do. It should have come from Permane himself, though. That you compare this to something Kimi said in 2006 in jest is just ridiculous to be honest. Apples and oranges. You have apparently completely missed the context in this matter.

        • Keith Collantine (@keithcollantine) said on 28th October 2013, 22:05

          @desdirodeabike Shouldn’t they also apologise for swearing at Grosjean, then?

          I don’t think they should apologise for either, but if swearing at Raikkonen was such an appalling thing to do why did no one care when they did the same to Grosjean three weeks ago?

          • Gollum said on 29th October 2013, 1:01

            They aren’t swearing at Grosjean there. Using cuss words in a conversation *with* somebody is completely different to swearing *at* them.

          • Soren T (@desdirodeabike) said on 29th October 2013, 12:57

            Really Keith? Really? What Gollum said. It was not swearing *at* Grosjean. I know this, and English isn’t even my first language.

          • Deb Luhi (@debeluhi) said on 30th October 2013, 0:20

            Gollum, @desdirodeabike, Isn’t what you are suggesting the same as “***** way”? They are not referring to Kimi using the f word. The f word used when they spoke to Roman can be seen in the same context with the f word spoken to Kimi. Without knowing the how people in the team talk to each other in normal circumstances you can’t say they’ve been rude to Kimi. As I said in another comment on this article, in the office I work at the f word is used even when we greet each other, not to mention going out on the street.

        • Sorry no apology in my view….If we want to listen to the radio broadcasts…we expect them to be as they are..warts and all…not scripted…The team needed the points…and Kimi not always a team player, so he has to be reminded…should be good with Alonso nxt year..

        • zimkazimka (@zimkazimka) said on 30th October 2013, 8:09

          I didn’t know this was even an issue until I came here. The team told its driver to get out of the way using strong language, because the situation was quite tense. At that moment they were under risk of losing not only a potential podium, but both drivers ending in points, and it looked like the clearly much slower driver just wouldn’t move on his own.

          Besides, strong words were used to emphasize to immediacy and importance of the message, there was no assault. (I bet everyone who was watching this yelled exactly the same thing – although that’s beside the point, but it just shows that it wasn’t personal in all likelyhood). This is especially evident with the directly following response from the driver, where he flat out verbally abuses Permane. Kimi calls him ****** for crying out loud. If anyone should be apologizing it’s Kimi first.

          in any case, i love the guy, and i love his radio communication with the team. i don’t mind tense moments and high emotions at all – in fact, i’d love to see and hear more of that. be human, for christ’s sake, and settle it like everyone else does. no public apology is required here.

      • Angelia (@angelia) said on 28th October 2013, 20:03

        You are wrong Permane said he assumed Kimi would move out of the way without having to say anything. You can read it in Amus.

        So this was the first message Kimi got.

      • Gollum said on 28th October 2013, 21:17

        But when Raikkonen never asked them to “shut the **** up,” did he? “Leave me alone” isn’t anywhere near as aggressive as Permane’s wording.

      • No apology required? So … Mercedes speak to Nico like that, do they? “Get out of the ***** way, Lewis coming through!” It was totally unprofessional from Alan Permane. It also demonstrates a slapdash and shoddy approach to planning strategy. Just because some old mechanic has slogged his way through the years at the team does not automatically give him the management skills to plan races.

      • tmax (@tmax) said on 28th October 2013, 23:57

        @keithcollantine While I agree to your point and it is perfectly an adrenaline thing and what goes around comes around… I think there are 2 factors that are important here 1) Drivers Seniority and 2) Driver’s Popularity

        lets just take for example the following scenarios

        1) Had Red Bull sent the same message to Vettel to make way for Webber … Red Bull and that person would be considered the best person/action of the planet earth

        2) Had Red Bull sent the same message to Webber to make way for Vettel…. can you imagine that…. Vettel & Red Bull would not have been cursed to eternity….. maybe it is quite possible Vettel would be be wearing the race helmet on the Podium fearing his safety.

        3) Had Ron Dennis given the same order to Fernando during the qualifying pit stop of Hungaroring 2007 … Imagine the fall out of the scene…

        4) lets say Massa was given the same message to make way for Alonso it is just standard operating procedure, nobody would have cared and it would not be even a headline…

        As much as it is Adrenaline, it is also about how much a person commands the respect and how big is his fan base which decides what is right or wrong.

        IN simple terms. lets just say instead of Kimi had Vettel told Rocky “Leave me alone, I know what i am doing” … Vettel would be labelled as an arrogant kid and people would say that success has got on to his head….. On the other hand for Kimi, it is the best comment of the year…. people make T shirts with it and wrangler uses them in the Jean Commercial. Do you believe Pepe would dare to use similar comments with Vettel for their commercials ?

      • JCost (@jcost) said on 29th October 2013, 6:06

        +1.

        Kimi has a spicy mouth, shure his ears can take a bit of spice as well.

      • Girts (@girts) said on 29th October 2013, 8:14

        @KeithCollantine I think that the apology as such is not a bad thing. If you feel that you have done something wrong, you apologise. Swearing and screaming at your driver is not a nice thing to do so an apology makes sense from that point of view.

        However, you rightly point out the double standards here. I doubt if Permane really regrets his behaviour or that Lotus are now going to change the way they communicate within the team. It’s more likely that they all accept swearing and occasional outbursts as part of their business and don’t have an issue with that.

        I think the team doesn’t really intend to apologise to Kimi, who probably doesn’t give a damn. The intention is to calm down some angry fans, who have blown it out of all proportion.

    • Angelica said on 28th October 2013, 20:01

      I would love to see some of these so called examples of where Kimi has acted exactly the same way?

      It is unprofessional for a person in power, a senior member of a team, to shout at an employee in public. You just dont do it. How often has anyone seen senior members acting this way? Never? I wonder why.

      Good that Boullier has apologized but it should have been Permane.

      • celeste (@celeste) said on 29th October 2013, 1:20

        But is ok for Kimi to curse? Man, talk about doble standard…

        • Angelia (@angelia) said on 29th October 2013, 4:01

          It is not about the cursing at all, Permane can curse as much as he wants.

          If you are a boss or a manger or a person in power, or a senior member of a team you dont just scream at your employee in public. This is really just common courtesy. People skills 101.

          Do you think it is alright for your boss the scream at you in front of other people or in front of customers?

          • celeste (@celeste) said on 29th October 2013, 7:00

            OH, please! Other drivers have been getting worst if this weren´t Kimi surely can take it

          • phildick (@phildick) said on 29th October 2013, 8:48

            @angelia Just leave it alone, they know what they’re doing out there.

            Raikkonen’s surely swallowed this already and moved on, he’s grown enough and rich enough.

    • Yeah right. Often Ross Brawn gets on the radio and tells Nico “Get out the ******* way of Lewis” NOT

  3. ECWDanSelby (@ecwdanselby) said on 28th October 2013, 17:43

    Just the usual PR routine. Lotus don’t want to look bad by being abusive to their drivers.

    Think it’s a load of rubbish, myself. All just part of the sport. It’s passion! Sorry, but swearing happens if the adrenaline’s going. That’s life. Don’t have to grovel about it.

    • In ISO, non-conformance by employee = minor, non-conformance by team = major.
      In MotoGP, non-conformance by rider = penalty, non-conformance by team = disqualification.
      In F1? Not much..

  4. Red Andy (@red-andy) said on 28th October 2013, 18:02

    Has Kimi apologised for trying to run his teammate off the road?

    • Angelia (@angelia) said on 29th October 2013, 4:03

      Where did this happen?

      • David Margono (@woshidavid95) said on 29th October 2013, 13:17

        Right when Grosjean was about to pass him when Massa was chasing them down and thus the reason Alan Permane screamed at Raikkonen and the existence of this discussion? >_>

      • BasCB (@bascb) said on 30th October 2013, 13:15

        In the race, on track @angelia, I am surprised you did not follow the race and see it with your own eyes. Its the reason why the team was insisting on Kimi making room.

        • DB Cooper said on 30th October 2013, 18:09

          Did you even watch the race? My TV showed Romain catching Kimi with something like 2 sec per lap, and when he did catch up with Kimi he did a typical Romain manouvre. An immature risky overtake at he first corner after coming close to Kimi. Now how smart was that? With Kimi clearly going inside, just what did he expect with Kimis worn out tyres? Slid out he did, how unexpected huh? Had Romain waited a corner or two he had been easily let by dont you think? But instead; first corner, first chance, lets go for it… And then Alan going nuts on radio? Just stupid. Reality check; for how many laps had Kimi held up Romain ahead of this incident? Or maybe, how many corners? None, ok, there you go. Which of the two Lotus drivers have a clear record of not hitting other drivers on track? Which of them have a recurring urge of ramming into others on track? I just can not believe how many commentators here obviously didnt se same race as me. Maybe I have to check up on my ophtalmologist?

  5. Malik (@malik) said on 28th October 2013, 18:02

    I cannot stop thinking of team radios next year with Raikkonen and Alonso at Ferrari. For sure we will have a lot of fun :)

  6. Purple said on 28th October 2013, 18:15

    How often have you guys seen Kimi angry?

    There has to be a real reason why went and gave Permane a piece of his mind outside the hospitality area after the race.

    Interesting to see if he even bothers to come to Abu Dhabi after what happened in India.

  7. MazdaChris (@mazdachris) said on 28th October 2013, 18:44

    I think they’re right to apologise. To think otherwise would be to imply that this was a perfectly acceptable way for the team to speak to a driver. I made the same point about Rakkonen’s attitude he has shown his team, which I also believe is thoroughly unprofessional. There should be a certain standard of mutual respect and professionalism which should be maintained when communicating, and heat of the moment is simply not an excuse. Of course, people are human and mistakes can be made. But like civilised people we understand and reflect on our actions and apologise when we have acted inappropriately. It’s just part of setting that standard.

    • Keeping racing for the team when you haven’t got your payment and fighting when every point you gain is bad for your future scuderia is thoroughly unprofessional?

      Kimi said to finnish television that after his contract with Ferrari was announced attitude of some Lotus bosses towards Kimi changed significantly… wondering who he might mean!

  8. TheBass (@) said on 28th October 2013, 18:56

    This is defintely a the were of blind fanatism, empowered by the power of social media.

    It’s simply astonishing the amount how caricaturish the views of some people regarding this sport’s members. We either have holy entities, that ever the smallest of thinds done to them are reason of scandal (this case) or mean villains, that even the smallest things are reason to hate on (Vettel with, well, 99% of what people criticize him for).

    They used a curse word. Wow. Raikkonen is 34, and not strange to this kind of language (no one in F1 is, especially since they started to use profanity to avoid radio messages from being broadcasted), it’s as small of a deal as it gets. But it escalated to irrational levels.

    Just amazing.

    • Angelia (@angelia) said on 29th October 2013, 4:09

      It is just as amazing that people keep on insulting Kimi fans to try and get point across.

      It is not about curse, it about senior member screaming to an employee in public.

      • zimkazimka (@zimkazimka) said on 30th October 2013, 8:28

        “senior member screaming to an employee in public” is as much out of context as it gets. add names, setting, and the exact situation, and you get quite a usual sports moment. ever heard of football?

  9. JerseyF1 (@jerseyf1) said on 28th October 2013, 19:02

    I don’t see the need for an apology. This was a message from the team to the driver and was no-one else’s business (we might love to hear what’s going on, but as viewers we should really be passive on this issue.

    As I understand it it is the FIA/FOM which forces teams to transmit radio broadcasts which are also made available for broadcast and that FOM selected this particular one for broadcast. In theory the teams should continue to have the same freedom they had in the days when radio messages were encrypted so that they can get on with their job. I think that it isn’t really fair on the teams that the drivers and engineers have to be thinking about PR even during a race. Using unsavoury language can be an effective means of getting an important point across in a heat-of-the-moment situation. It’s up to Kimi whether or not he takes it personally or how he handles it, but since it’s fairly obvious that what Lotus were calling for was totally reasonable (given that Kimi ended up pitting again) then I can’t see him having any real problem with it. I’m sure he’s more focussed on why his strategy didn’t work than the choice of words in that message.

    If there’s an issue with a particular transmission then it should be up to FOM whether or not it’s broadcast and not left to the team to apologise.

  10. andae23 (@andae23) said on 28th October 2013, 19:16

    We have discussed Vettel being booed by some lunatics several times this year, but sadly the phenomenon has spread to lunatics sending offensive messages and even sending death threats to Alan Permane and other Lotus team members.

    Just to be clear: I think swearing during a race is not on a personal level. I’m sure there’s a lot more swearing than the FOM plays during the races. Just a few weeks in Korea, Lewis Hamilton said his tyres were “******”, Raikkonen himself swore on the podium at the 2012 Abu Dhabi GP and the amount of swearing at Renault during the 2008 Singapore GP is just unbelievable. People just say things in the heat of the moment, especially in sports.

    I think the problem is that people are under the impression that Lotus should be ‘grateful’ to have Raikkonen as their driver, and as such, every team member should treat Raikkonen with the utmost respect. This is the only way I can explain why people think ‘leave me alone’ is perceived as ‘funny’, while ‘get out of the ***** way!’ is disrespectful. And this perception is only made worse by Lotus making T-shirts of the former, and apologizing for the latter. Boullier called the former a “Formula 1 classis”, and the latter “not appropriate”.

    • andae23 (@andae23) said on 28th October 2013, 22:10

      “Formula 1 classis”

      *classic

    • Kimi4WDC said on 28th October 2013, 22:24

      I think people have pretty good grounds for feeling that. Specially if you pull some stats up from the past two years of their relationship.

      It goes down to how Lotus chose to handle the situation, they knew what was going to happen and could have arranged the overtake laps before, instead, I personally think – they were too exited to see Grosjean catch Kimi that zero analytic thoughts and the future complication went through their mind.

      • Deb Luhi (@debeluhi) said on 29th October 2013, 5:06

        I’m sure Lotus are glad that Grosjean is putting up a fight to Kimi because they need someone that would count as a good driver for the next year, in case they can’t afford Hulkenberg. But saying “they were too exited to see Grosjean catch Kimi” is a bit exaggerating.
        If you look at how they were reacting in the similar situations throughout the year you should notice that they have been pretty consistent. They leave for the drivers to do the right thing for the team and if the drivers don’t do that they are “strongly” reminded over the radio. Both drivers have received messages like that. As for the Indian GP, with his pace in the last laps Kimi didn’t need to be a genius to figure out that trying to hold Roman behind is not only futile but also a damaging for the team.

    • toiago (@toiago) said on 29th October 2013, 10:00

      @andae23 – Very well said, agreed.

  11. Fer no.65 (@fer-no65) said on 28th October 2013, 19:20

    Why does F1 as a whole (team, drivers, stewards) try so hard not to be humans?

    I understand Kimi and Vettel saying the word at the podium in Abu Dhabi could’ve been avoided and it was not necessary. But why does it all have to be so PR-polite???

    • OmarR-Pepper (@omarr-pepper) said on 28th October 2013, 19:59

      @fer-no65 I guess the F1 broadcast is rated as G (all the family) in all countries. It’s the same reason why the SuperBowl and the Oscar get the 2 or 3 seconds delay from what happens live, to avoid swearing or censorable attitudes being broadcast.
      It’s not to be ultra conservative or puritans. It’s more a legal matter, as any clever guy can sue them for “teaching misbehavior” to youngsters.
      About celebrations, as Alonso in Valencia or Vettel in India, they should just let the winner do the celebration, and I’m not talking about double standards, it’s there Fer, where I agree with you about pretending F1 not to be a “human” sport.

    • Deb Luhi (@debeluhi) said on 29th October 2013, 5:22

      And I don’t understand why this “get out of the ******* way” is counted as a cursing. My English is not very good but it’s not hard to see that the F word is used as an adjective to the “way”. It’s not used to describe Kimi or refer in any way to him. If I count the words used in the normal conversation in my office the F word would be on top by a huge margin.
      I guess the tone in which the sentence above was said was a bit harsh but that’s the frustration by the team that expected Kimi to do the right thing without being prompted.

    • Slava (@slava) said on 29th October 2013, 19:50

      @fer-no65
      That happens because some grown-up kids (so-called “adults”) believe this is bad to use such a language. As a philologist I believe that every word is created for it’s exact purpose. There are situation when we should use those words because they perfectly describe our feelings.
      So, the problem is that grown-up kids fear that their children will learn and use those words. Which is considered bad. Well, as I see it, adults should explain when and why we have the right to use swearwords. If we try to “shut the drivers up” we are becoming hypocrites. Because I am absolutely sure that everyone in this topic (including Keith Collantine) has already used those words. Don’t forget that your child will learn everything from their fellers)
      I see this situation as this: Permane shouldn’t have told that to Kimi. And those words forced Kimi to talk that way. That’s why Permane must apologize first. Then, it’s Kimi turn.
      Moreover, I feel that Kimi has more right to say that. He is currently 3rd in a WD standings, he isn’t payed money for his work. 64% of team’s points are due to Kimi’s effort. At the same time his team makes a lot of mistakes, esp. in management.
      In this race they put Kimi in horrible situation when it was obvious that the finn should come to the pits on 45-46th lap and try finish on higher position. Secondly, their car was in pretty bad conditions which is again, team’s fault.

  12. bull mello (@bullmello) said on 28th October 2013, 19:25

    I can understand why Lotus apologized, it looks very unprofessional to have your Director of Trackside Operations cursing out a driver during a race, regardless of circumstances. Especially when team strategy led to the situation in the first place. At that point their driver had managed to go almost 50 laps on tires that were not recommended to go past 35 laps. Lotus have already had this strategy issue previously and they should have called Kimi in as soon as his lap times dropped to avoid this whole situation no matter who was behind him. As Brundle noted during the broadcast Kimi could barely keep his car on the track because the tires were shot. Maybe Grosjean could have picked a better spot to pass.

    It also looks bad to have upper team management cursing on the radio at anybody during a race while the Lotus board is trying to court corporate sponsors to essentially save their team. My guess is this the main reason for the apology.

    Lotus needs Raikkonen, and Grosjean, to perform at the highest level for the remaining 3 races to maximize points in the WCC race. Lotus has a chance to take 2nd place depending on how everything plays out.

    Yes, I am a Kimi fan and am not excusing his language on the radio, stuff happens and we all know what to expect from him by now. I don’t think Kimi was trying to do anything to hurt the team, on the contrary he had a great drive in India. There are a lot of underlying circumstances on both sides that are not the fault of Permane or Raikkonen. It was the heat of the moment and I expect Lotus and both of their drivers to perform to the best of their abilities in Abu Dhabi.

  13. Lotus are lucky that they used this sort of unacceptable language against Kimi. If it were Hamilton or Alonso there would’ve already been a media storm over this. Kimi didn’t play it up after the race .
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eoblzjNAKr0

    • Alexander (@alexanderfin) said on 29th October 2013, 9:14

      A nice thought there if it would have been Hamilton instead of Kimi, the peoples reactions on this forum would have been real enjoying to see…

      And btw it seems that at Lotus the driver is bigger than the team.

  14. Purple said on 28th October 2013, 19:46

    For those who think that Permane cursing to Kimi was completely okay by comparing him to what Räikkönen has said earlier: Vettel’s race engineers said a while back that the one who sits on the pitwall has to be calm, professional and keep his emotions under control, because the drivers aren’t able to do that. The drivers are filled with adrenaline, cranky and they can’t see the big picture etc. etc. The race engineer has to be able to keep the whole package together and if he can’t act in a calm way then he is in the wrong position.

    Permane said a while ago that Romain has matured and got rid of his hysterical moments. Apparently Permane still has some work to do with his own hysteria.

    Indian GP was a perfect example of how the communication between an engineer and a driver should never happen. Apparently Permane got so hysterical over Kimi’s response that he immediately cut off Kimi’s radio, which emphasized his disrespect for a Lotus-driver who was still on the track.

  15. caci99 (@caci99) said on 28th October 2013, 19:46

    They needed to apologize. What Lotus did, was unethical. They know very well that radio messages are broadcasted, so this is the same as the chief shouting at his employee in the eyes of all the others. It is very bad, no matter what wrong had the employee done. Let alone Raikkonen is not a bad employee, is the only one who had brought them race wins. And if the rumors that he is not payed are true, than he shows that he is still committed to the team.
    The radio message showed once more how bitter and frustrated are at Lotus about Raikkonen leaving. Those odd tweets and strange strategy choice for Indian Grand Prix yesterday, and the shouting at the inner ear of the driver while struggling in fast corner, all are signs of bitterness.
    So they needed to.

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