Alonso stronger than Schumacher was – Massa

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Fernando Alonso, Felipe Massa, Singapore, 2013Fernando Alonso is an even stronger team mate than Michael Schumacher was, according to Felipe Massa.

Massa, who has two races left with Ferrari before leaving the team, is the only driver to have partnered both seven-times champion Schumacher and twice-champion Alonso in F1.

“Schumacher was as quick, but in terms of intelligence, Alonso is better because he manages to put everything together perfectly,” said Massa, who was Schumacher’s team mate in 2006 and has partnered Alonso since 2010.

Massa also paid tribute to Sebastian Vettel following the Red Bull driver’s fourth world championship victory last month.

“It is one hundred percent down to him and his car,” said Massa.

“Because it?s true he drives the quickest and most consistent car. But then it?s he who manages to extract its potential, who takes pole, who puts six tenths over on everyone, including his team-mate. He?s a fantastic driver.”

Asked about his own world championship near-miss in 2008, when he lost to Lewis Hamilton by a single point, Massa said he agreed with team principal Stefano Domenicali’s view that he deserved the title:

“One hundred percent yes. I deserved the title, taking into account the season and everything that happened…”

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134 comments on Alonso stronger than Schumacher was – Massa

  1. Kingshark (@kingshark) said on 6th November 2013, 20:09

    I would say that in 2006, Alonso was probably a better driver than Schumacher.

    Ferrari and Renault had very evenly matched cars in 2006. Out of the 18 races, Renault had a faster car in 8 races (Malaysia, Australia, San Marino, Spain, Great Britain, Canada, Hungary, and China), they were equal in Bahrain and Monaco, and Ferrari had the faster car in the other 8 races (Europe, USA, France, Germany, Turkey, Monza, Japan, and Brazil).

    Both Alonso and Schumacher lost a fair share of points in 2006 due bad luck out of their control. If anything, Alonso lost more points than Schumi due bad luck.

    Schumacher lost 10 points in Suzuka (engine), 5 points in Brazil (puncture), and 2 points in Malaysia (gearbox penalty). In total, Michael lost 17 points due misfortunes.

    Alonso lost 10 points in Hungary (wheel nut), 2 points in China (slow pit stop), 2 points in Malaysia (qualifying problem), and 6 points in Monza (engine).

    So why did Alonso still win the WDC by 13 points? Because of Schumacher’s mistakes.

    Crashing in the wall in Australia, refusing to pit and cutting the chicane in Hungary, parking his car deliberately in Monaco, and making a crucial driving error during his 2nd stint in Turkey cost Michael a total of 17 points.

    Both Schumacher and Alonso were very fast in 2006, but Alonso’s relentless consistency won him the WDC that year.

    And to think that Alonso today is perhaps an even better driver than he was in ’06, scary thought.

    • RAMBOII said on 6th November 2013, 20:12

      He lost the race in Turkey because he had to slot in behind Massa in the pitlane, he came out behind Alonso because of that.

    • Nathan (@il-ferrarista) said on 6th November 2013, 23:11

      I’ve always said that, besides 2012, 2006 was Alonso’s best ever season. Brilliant on fast tracks, brilliant on slow track, consistently quick in qualifying (both 2005 and 2006!), eager to overtake, etc etc etc.

      Really, already in early 2005, yeah I mean 2005 not 06, we already saw that he was _the_ most complete driver in F1 next to an aging Msc, — and Raikkonen was then regarded as “the fastest” (remember Monaco pole 2005). Still, Massa beat Raik. already in eary 07, and from then on Raik never was “the fastest” anymore…, Hamilton took that reputation until RBR domination. But Alonso was and still is *the* or *one of the most* complete in the post-Senna era.

    • I would say that in 2006, Alonso was probably a better driver than Schumacher.

      I would agree with you there @kingshark, however I do not think he was emphatically better. Schumacher’s judgement was beginning to wane a touch but he did still have the outright pace to rival Alonso. However, as you correctly said with his decreasing mental aptitude went his consistency – the gauntlet Alonso picked up.

  2. Sauber (@mumito) said on 6th November 2013, 21:00

    MS runs with the same luck as SV. They both dominated with the best machines. If you read my previous posts, I state that almost 90% of the champs drive the best car. In the last 30 years you can say Prost 86, and thats it. Why doesn’a Alonso drive a Red Bull? He is way to expensive. He is way too complicated to handle. He is a cheater. Despite all those imperfections, I still think he is the best the grid has to offer. But his peak was in 2012. He is not driving as good as he was last year. Time for new blood…VET, HUL, ROS…ALO and RAI….are declining.

  3. obviously said on 6th November 2013, 22:42

    I keep hearing about Schumacher putting the team together line.
    I’m sorry to disperse your romantic view of a sport, but it was Briatore who put the team together. The team that made the best car 2 years in a row. After that the whole technical top moved to Ferrari. Only difference was that Todt was the principal instead of Briatore.

    And as pointed above, there was a lot more politics and lobbying than people would like to believe.

    One other line that keeps coming back is that “whoever scores more points, deserves it”, as if the driver is the one and only factor and it’s all up to how well he does. It feels as if people are repeating it infinitely, just so that they wouldn’t hear the evidence that keeps telling them differently. F1 is not a sport where the best driver comes out on top.
    It’s a whole set of factors, many of which have nothing to do with sport, but much more with money-power, politics, lobbying and interests, and driver probably makes as little as 2% difference in the whole scheme. Only thanks to the fact that margins are so small, does that 2% matter. But, simplistically speaking, who’s to say that one driver who finished 3rd or 4th in the standings didn’t do a better job than a champion, only because all other factors made the starting difference too big to make just 2% matter.

    It’s not a driver’s sport and it certainly isn’t a pure one when it comes to being just a sport and not a show and politics game.

  4. Jack (@jackisthestig) said on 6th November 2013, 22:54

    Can’t say Massa or Hamilton deserved the title any more than Kubica or Vettel, the two other standout performers of 2008.

    • Nick (@npf1) said on 6th November 2013, 23:09

      There is that thing about finishing in front of them regularly. Deserving a title is more than having a good season or performing above where you’re expected. Otherwise, I’d nominate Jean Alesi for 3 time deserving-champion.

  5. ….And that is why you will never win anything else FM in F1. Deserve(do something or have or show qualities worthy of (a reaction which rewards or punishes as appropriate). This is a sport not some academic exercise…

  6. George said on 7th November 2013, 5:52

    People seem to forget that Schumacher did not automatically bring the title to Ferrari

    It took him 5 years aswell!!!

    Anyway Heres my top 10:

    1. Senna
    3. Schumacher
    4. Prost
    6. Vettel
    7. Lauda
    8. Mansell
    9. Stewart
    10. Hakkinen

    Yes i know Fangio is not in there

    • That’s an interesting nomination: no Fangio but Häkkinen and Mansell? Care to explain your choice – I would like to hear your logic on this, I’m sure it would be fascinating!

    • George said on 8th November 2013, 0:04

      Mansell and Hakkinen based on raw speed and ability!,
      Had Mansell been in Sennas Williams all year the championship would have been sealed up with 2 races to go!
      I rate Fangio and i understand he won 5 titles but its very hard to compare those cars to todays or even ones of the last 20 years,
      For instance: put Alonso in a time machine and send him back to 1950.. he would do well i think.

      On the same token put Fangio in a time machine and send him to today , i dont he would do that well

  7. PMccarthy_is_a_legend (@pmccarthy_is_a_legend) said on 7th November 2013, 9:40

    News recycling… this was said by Massa months ago

  8. zoom (@zoomracing) said on 7th November 2013, 10:43

    Is amazing how Massa keeps blaming the crashgate when he and his team did a lot of mistakes that year, specially Massa had some rookie ones. Crashgate was disgusting but is not the only reason why Massa is not a champion.

  9. F1_Fan said on 7th November 2013, 13:26

    Massa just doesn’s know him welll enough (as a racer) as he only knows him since 2006 and that was just after MS’s pick of his career. And that is why his words are useless.

    If Massa were smarter then he would see what MS did – brough Ferrari back to WCC – 6 times, WDC-5 times in line and now we have Alonso and what they both brought after 4 years !???

  10. Mark in Florida said on 7th November 2013, 17:38

    Massa is a joke! I used to feel sorry for him after his accident but no more. His endless pandering towards Alonso is tiresome. His form has been up and down over the years. If Alonso is so much better and the more complete driver why doesn’t the driving record support such ludicrous claims.? Alonso is a very good driver has great insight and instincts but Schumacher had all that. He was able to take whatever car he was in and put it further up the field than anyone else. Yes Schumacher was at times ruthless and dirty but Alonso has been guilty too. Winner’s find a way losers cry a way Phillips!

  11. Gerry said on 8th November 2013, 6:18

    Alonso stronger then Schumacher!! you gotta be joking Massa!!!

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