2014 F1 cars will be harder to drive – Button

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Jenson Button, McLaren, Interlagos, 2013In the round-up: Jenson Button says the 2014 rules changes will create cars that are much harder to drive.


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2014 cars will be tough to drive – Button (ESPN)

“With the 2014 car if you floor it in a corner like turn three at Barcelona, you don’t just drive off, you immediately lose the rear because there is so much torque. It’s not a balance issue, you have torque and we’ve never had that before.”

Ted Macauley: Sebastian Vettel?s winning streak by no means boring (Gulf News)

Bernie Ecclestone: “We may never see [Red Bull’s] combined like again. So let us all enjoy it while we can.”

Moss’s manager Ken Gregory dies (Autosport)

“Gregory’s contribution to motor racing stretched far beyond simply managing [Stirling] Moss. He also managed Peter Collins, who won three world championship grands prix driving for Ferrari before his death at the Nurburgring in 1958.”

Formula One Sponsors Line Up for Global Reach (The New York Times)

McLaren director of marketing Ekrem Sami: “If you went back five, seven or ten years, very often we would have a partner who would say to us, ‘We are going to come in and year one will be a learning year, and then by year two we will really get this thing rolling, and start to generate some serious return on investment’. We never hear that any more. It has to deliver from the moment of signature. And we are very comfortable with that.”


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126 comments on 2014 F1 cars will be harder to drive – Button

  1. GeeMac (@geemac) said on 2nd December 2013, 7:39

    “With the 2014 car if you floor it in a corner like turn three at Barcelona, you don’t just drive off, you immediately lose the rear because there is so much torque.”

    Good. You are the best drivers in the world, go out there and prove it.

  2. WilliamB (@william-brierty) said on 2nd December 2013, 7:47

    Ah, thanks you good news JB. If the cars are difficult to drive then it’ll favour the drivers who shine when all the driving a racing car is stripped down to its most basic form. When confronted with two pedals and a steering wheel, no matter what the balance, no matter how much wheel-spin there is, Alonso and Hamilton will cope with it the best. For me, they are “old-school” (I literally can’t believe I just said that), who are completely unrivaled by the field in terms of car control.

    Oh, and great caption, @Andae23.

    • sumedh said on 2nd December 2013, 8:44

      When confronted with two pedals and a steering wheel, no matter what the balance, no matter how much wheel-spin there is, Alonso and Hamilton will cope with it the best.

      Alonso, yes. Hamilton, not so sure. IMO, I think it is Alonso and Vettel who hold the advantage in 2014. Those two are the drivers who have shown themselves to be most adaptable to the many quirks of current Formula 1, (tyres to be driven a certain way, counter-intuitive turning required for the blown diffuser). Hamilton on the other hand is supreme at only driving. Ask him to drive while managing tyres, KERS, torque, strategy and he will implode.

      Unfortunately, the direction in F1 is going, it is going further and further away from the true racers, Hamilton and Kimi. The sport demands smart drivers more than fast drivers now.

      • Nathan (@il-ferrarista) said on 2nd December 2013, 9:17

        Lewis hamilton probably is _the_ quickest F1 driver in years in F1, most likely one of the best qualifiers since Senna. Vettel is just about almost up there with LH, but not quite 100,0%. ALonso on the other hand doesn’t have Hamiltons raw speed, but he does have some 99% of it and an amazing, old-fashion car control – ála Schumacher, Montoya, Prost etc.

        • WilliamB (@william-brierty) said on 2nd December 2013, 10:05

          @il-ferrarista – I would question even if Vettel is that close to Hamilton on raw speed. Hamilton certainly is the best qualifying driver F1 has seen since Senna, and when he is comfortable he finds a level completely unreachable by any other driver, and probably has almost three tenths on the whole field. Alonso’s car control is as you quite rightly say, is sublime. It really is nice to see a driver that knows what to do when the wall of champions is coming at them. Alonso is also super precise, unlike Montoya (see Nurburgring 2003), an excellent overtaker, unlike Montoya (see Nurburgring 2003) and makes very few mistakes, unlike Montoya (see Australia 2003).

          • PeterG said on 2nd December 2013, 12:51

            You use 2 examples where Montoya made a mistake yet ignore the dozens of examples where he pulled off brilliant & precise overtakes.
            Montoya was one of the best overtakers of the last 20yrs, Its why he was so popular amongst fans at the time, He raced hard & pulled off some simply awesome overtakes at a time when everyone was saying that overtaking was impossible.

            Hamilton was the same in the Pre-DRS era.

            Also your ignoring the examples where Alonso has made mistakes, failed to pull off an overtake or misjudged something resulting in contact with another car.

            Im a fan of Fernando’s, He’s a brilliant driver & a great racer but he’s not on the same level as Montoya/Hamilton when it comes to overtaking. He’ll overtake when there’s a clear opportunity but he’s never really ever forced the issue & created an unlikely overtake like guys like Montoya & Hamilton do.

          • Anele (@anele-mbethe) said on 2nd December 2013, 18:04

            Three tenths over the whole field? Lewis is brilliant but he didn’t even have that advantage over rosberg

          • Nathan (@il-ferrarista) said on 2nd December 2013, 21:10

            Imho: Well, no doubt Hamilton is an awesome overtaker, just as Montoya is/was. But Alonso is at least as good as Hamilton considering overtaking and racing generally speaking. Prior to his 1.st WC in 05, he always took _less_ risk than f.ex a Raikkonen or a Montoya specially. And when you look at 07, Alonso was *the* badass in the field, that was at least my impression. In 2006, Alonso always was on the safe side, unless you speak of Hungary’06.

            I pretty sure that Hamilton and Montoya is considered as _the_ best overtakers more or less just only because they usually take/took more risk than others.
            And you probably know that LH either wins or crashes.., remember 2011. But no doubt, LH is one of the most aggressive drivers. Just like JPM.

          • Nathan (@il-ferrarista) said on 2nd December 2013, 21:12

            Alonso on the other hand is _measured_ aggressiveness, always was always will be. Like a perfect blend between JPM and the Mclaren’style-Kimi.

          • Nathan (@il-ferrarista) said on 2nd December 2013, 21:15

            edit; *aggression

      • WilliamB (@william-brierty) said on 2nd December 2013, 9:42

        Whaaaaaaaaat????? Do not underestimate Lewis Hamilton. Now this is not some patriotic British fan you’re talking to, I don’t even like “hip-hop Hamilton”, but I would safely summarize that when he’s comfortable in a car, his car control supersedes that of even Alonso, and car control appears to be a large part of F1 in 2014…sorry Pastor. Hamilton has the most sensitive bodily gyros of any driver, by which he can detect and correct a slide with effortless efficiency, and are you honestly saying that throttle modulation is not among the strengths of the same driver that won the 2008 British Grand Prix? Alonso and Hamilton can modulate the throttle better than any other drivers, probably why they are the best two guys in the wet. Where Alonso and Vettel pull an advantage over Lewis and Kimi is through versatility. Alonso and Vettel can effortlessly switch driving styles to suit the scenario, whether it be wet weather, a race or a Q3 lap, whilst Hamilton always drives like his overalls are on fire. However in 2014, versatility won’t be so handsomely rewarded without the huge offset in driving styles between qualifying and the race in 2013 due to the super durable 2014 Pirellis.

        And Raikkonen? Are you honestly putting Kimi in the same column as Lewis? One is the fastest driver in the world, the over struggles in qualifying. One can’t always keep life in his Pirellis whilst the other makes it look easy. For all of his unsubtleties, Raikkonen is a very sensitive driver. Like Button he requires a particular feel from the car, and like Button he leads the field in terms of tyre saving, which should put him in good stead in the fuel saving days of 2014. However unlike Button, who I expect to struggle with all that torque next year, he has no issues with oversteer or wheel-spin.

        The sport demands smart drivers more than fast drivers now.

        Actually quite the opposite is the case. With the new durable tyres the focus will be back on raw speed, so Hamilton might actually be looking good next year. Certainly, from what I’ve read, he’ll be going in 2014 as the title favourite. Also don’t be tempted to chuck the slightly less…er intelligent drivers into the same category. The four superstars of F1 at the moment approach it in completely differently. We have the speed machine of Hamilton, the race pace of Raikkonen, the calculated Vettel, and lastly the sheer, poetic skill in the hands of Alonso. All of them have attributes that will be handsomely rewarded in 2014.

  3. Tomsk (@tomsk) said on 2nd December 2013, 8:37

    Ferrari are already dealing with the excess torque using traction contr… sorry, “clever engine mapping”, judging by the sound on that video of an engine being tested at Fiorano.

  4. James (@jaymz) said on 2nd December 2013, 18:30

    The tires should be made in in line with the forward thinking of Formula 1. Degrading tires is not suitable and this has been proved thus far.

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