Mandatory pit stop plan scrapped

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Fernando Alonso, Ferrari, Buddh International Circuit, 2013In the round-up: Plans to force drivers to pit twice per race during 2014 have been dropped.

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Formula 1 teams reject proposal to enforce two pit stops (BBC)

“The proposal received no support from the teams at Monday’s meeting of F1’s rules strategy group.”

Vettel against double points rule change (Reuters)

“‘F1 demeans itself with double points gimmick,’ declared a headline on the F1 Fanatic website, whose poll of more than 700 members showed 90 per cent opposed to the idea.”

Formula 1 to award double points for final race from 2014 (The Times, subscription required)

“Fans immediately took to Twitter and website forums to criticise the idea. One site, F1 Fanatic, carried out a poll that found 91 per cent of respondents were against the idea.”

(NB. Both figures for the percentage of voters were correct when the respective articles were published)

F1 champion Vettel slams rule changes (The New Zealand Herald)

“I respect old traditions in the Formula One and I don’t understand the new rule.”

Teams consider postponing Jerez test (Adam Cooper’s F1 Blog)

“It seems that some teams won?t be as ready as they thought they would be, with Lotus apparently pushing the idea of a delay.”

McLaren, Force India won’t run (Sky)

“It now remains to be seen how many of the remaining four teams named on the FIA announcement – Red Bull, Mercedes, Ferrari and Toro Rosso – will be in action at Sakhir.”

Budget cap no easy fix – Whitmarsh (Autosport)

“If we want to do it [introduce a budget cap] we have got a way of doing it, but a minority will always be opportunistic or try to frustrate it.”

Di Resta accused of entrapment as he admits recording Hamilton’s call (Daily Mail)

“‘I didn?t know it was illegal at the time,’ responded Di Resta, 27.”

Paul Di Resta’s Force India days look numbered as he eyes potential Sauber move (The Mirror)

“The only team that really has any possibility is Sauber. There has been nothing other than a chat with my manager.”

Merc ready to beat Red Bull – Rosberg (ESPN)

“We’ve made massive progress and really everybody believes that this team can do it and beat Red Bull.”

Martin Brundle on Formula 1 in 2014 (MotorSport)

“From what I?m hearing, I think it could be complete chaos in the early part of the season.”

World Formula One champion Vettel to become a father (AFP via Google News)

“German magazine Bunte revealed the Formula One star and his long-time girlfriend Hanna are expecting their first child in 2014.”

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@Melkurion worked out how the ‘double points’ rule would have changed past championships:

Fangio would lose the 1956 title, but gain the 1953 tile, leaving him with five
Ascari would only be a single instead of a double champion
Hawthorn would lose is one title
Moss would be a (deserved) double champion
Ickx would be champion over Rindt, though I doubt he?d be very happy with it
Gilles Villeneuve would be champion
Scheckter would not
Jones would be a double champion
Piquet would be a double champion instead of a triple
Lauda would be a double champion instead of a triple
Prost would have five titles instead of four
Schumacher would lose one giving him six
Raikkonen would be a double champion
Alonso would be a triple champion
Hamilton would not be a champion
Massa would be
@Melkurion

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103 comments on Mandatory pit stop plan scrapped

  1. Chris (@tophercheese21) said on 11th December 2013, 0:05

    Well at least that’s some good news about the pit stops.

    Hopefully this double points rule gets ditched as well. I don’t think I’ve ever seen a single proposal cause this much negative reaction from fans, driver, and media pundits alike. And deservedly so, it’s a ridiculous rule.

    • Yappy said on 11th December 2013, 3:01

      I guess they needed something to get racing fans to watch FormulaE. I am surprised the new rules do not include, drivers change their own tires, chugging a beer every 10 laps and drawing a number out of a hat for qualifying.

    • Yappy said on 11th December 2013, 4:39

      If they really want to get action on the track a simple way of doing it would be to award points for an overtake.

    • Bernie’s medal idea caused an uproar too, not sure how everybody took it though.

    • petebaldwin (@petebaldwin) said on 11th December 2013, 11:38

      The double points rule will go – no doubt. They won’t keep a rule that has attracted such a negative response from fans and highly respected members of the F1 community (including Brundle and Vettel).

      The idea is based around extra money being paid by Abu Dhabi and the idea that fans would prefer this to Vettel winning the WDC with races spare.

      What they have misunderstood is that whilst we want a close Championship, we only want that to occur naturally. I’d rather Vettel win the championship with half the season to go than an artificial one that goes to the final race.

      Hopefully, they’ll understand this and then realise that the same goes for DRS and the tyres!

  2. Carlitox (@carlitox) said on 11th December 2013, 0:05

    Good boy FIA, good! Now do the same with the double points.

  3. Fer no.65 (@fer-no65) said on 11th December 2013, 0:06

    Kudos to Vettel for being the only one so far to speak about the double points. Meanwhile, Romain was thinking about which number to pick, and Hamilton was posting pictures of both his dogs flying in first class…

    Not blaming them, they will eventually talk about it and they probably have other stuff to do right now, but when such a blatantly stupid move by the rule makeres comes out, one would expect the stars to speak out inmediately… so far, none of htem has said a thing, nor the team I follow on twitter/facebook…

    Considering the response from journalists and other fans, even a joke by Lotus F1 would’ve mean something…

  4. Dave (@raceprouk) said on 11th December 2013, 0:17

    Looks like someone’s borrowed the official FIA brain cell from the WEC chaps :-)

  5. MNM101 (@mnm101) said on 11th December 2013, 0:22

    Happy to hear Seb has a boy/girl on the way with his long time girlfriend, congrats !

  6. Kingshark (@kingshark) said on 11th December 2013, 0:33

    As much as I dislike Di Resta’s character, as a driver I feel that he is worthy enough to stay in Formula 1, even though he’s obviously not lived up to anywhere near the potential the BBC were hyping him up to back in 2011.

  7. LOZI (@lozi) said on 11th December 2013, 0:33

    y not instead of doubling the last race points … y not each team has like a joker that can double their race points in that exact weekend … and each team should decide before the start of the weekend thats much better that the last race double.

  8. Mackeine Loveine (@cocaine-mackeine) said on 11th December 2013, 0:37

    Well, good for Vettel that is against the double points….. and has a good reason.
    “You can hardly imagine that on the last match of the Bundesliga season, (soccer) matches are suddenly worth twice as many points,”
    Also congrats to him for his child!I hope this kid becomes someone important in the future…..
    Glad the mandatory pit stops are scrapped, the strategies would be nonsense and the teams would struggle to make them effective.

    And also good for Webber. I’ll just watch WEC next year to see Mark’s races and if the things go well…. victories.

    • Yappy said on 11th December 2013, 6:38

      9*WDC Vettel Jr, one more to beat dad. Is it the car or natural ability? The dilemma of the next generation.

  9. Colossal Squid (@colossal-squid) said on 11th December 2013, 0:42

    I’m not Webber’s biggest fan, but I imagine that if he was sticking around for 2014 he’d be giving out about the FIA right now, and probably (quite rightly) very publicly. Funny then that it’s his team-mate that’s speaking sense, they’d both agree on something!

    Great news that the mandatory pitstops have been scrapped as an idea. Now we just need enough fan and media backlash against the absurdity of double points to put as much pressure on the FIA as possible. Unfortunately money speaks louder than any amount of passionate fans railing against seeing their sport debased into mere ‘entertainment’ like some tv singing contest, and money is something the Abu Dhabi organisers have plenty of.

  10. Jack (@jackisthestig) said on 11th December 2013, 0:42

    Mandatory two stops were proposed, everyone hated the idea and now it’s been scrapped. I cannot envisage anything but the same happening to this double points idea.

    I don’t know what’s going on with the FIA at the moment. They usually seem quite dated, slow and overly cautious when it comes to change yet out of nowhere they suddenly come up with several wild ideas and write them straight into the regulations. The same thing seems to be happening in football with the UEFA President Michele Platini, completely resistant to any form of change or progress for years until recent weeks when he has come out with all sorts of proposal completely out of character.

    I wonder if Greenpeace or some crazed nutter have been spiking the drinks at the meeting rooms of major sports governing bodies.

  11. mantresx (@mantresx) said on 11th December 2013, 0:50

    So Da Costa is planing on using number 13? If so I like him already :)

  12. Deej92 (@deej92) said on 11th December 2013, 0:58

    As people have said, if the FIA could just do away with this double points codswallop then that would be satisfactory. I really just want to forget the whole episode, but I know even if it gets overturned, this one will stick in the memory like the sprinklers and medals ideas.

  13. matt90 (@matt90) said on 11th December 2013, 1:05

    Kudos to Vettel for speaking out. I’m relieved that respected people like Brundle are doing the same.

    • Colossal Squid (@colossal-squid) said on 11th December 2013, 1:12

      I’m especially pleased at Brundle. It’s important that broadcasters such as Brundle continue to speak out against this. Hopefully popular opinion can shift the FIA away from this madness.

  14. Sean Doyle (@spdoyle17) said on 11th December 2013, 1:16

    Congratulations to Vettel, given the due date being reported as likely late-July/early-August, his post-Buddh celebration back home seemed to have been productive.

  15. HoHum (@hohum) said on 11th December 2013, 1:25

    Excellent work by @melkurion, well deserved cotd, some FIA apologists were saying that since only 10 Championships were changed it’s ok, but it shouldn’t be ok, and in particular one of them could never be OK, Jochen Rindt could not compete in the last race of the season because he had died in an earlier race crash with a substantial championship lead, double points in the last race would have cheated him of the championship he had earned and died for.

  16. Somethingwittyer (@somethingwittyer) said on 11th December 2013, 1:26

    Noticed all the quotes about F1 Fanatic in the round-up Keith. Looks like someone’s a bit starstruck about how much attention their little website is getting :) Anyway, if the FIA going to award double points, then do it at a race of significance like Monaco or Spa (actually Spa might not be a bad idea). At the very least don’t make Abu Dhabi the last round of 2014 (or even less realistically, move it here).

    • @somethingwittyer hope you are being just sarcastic.
      What it is important about the press mentions is that in some way everyone of us is making his point across. Let’s continue, let’s sign the virtual petition to show to FIA how important the fans are.

    • mike-e (@mike-e) said on 11th December 2013, 5:27

      I think its great! Us fans are having our say and some people are listening. This site could be the snowball that starts the avalanche! Its nice to think that our voices are heard.

      Also shows that this site is getting respect and credibility, and rightly so. So well done @keithcollantine for your top work and well done F1fanatics for having mostly well informed, and sometimes passionate opinions!

    • bull mello (@bullmello) said on 11th December 2013, 5:28

      Also hope the comment is an attempt at sarcasm though it is difficult to detect possible nuances and subtle gestures on the internet.

      The mentions were newsworthy in that major news outlets used Keith’s website as a credible information source and as a way to gauge fan reaction to recent F1 proposals. Our voices have been heard beyond this website. That’s good to know.

    • Keith Collantine (@keithcollantine) said on 11th December 2013, 21:02

      @somethingwittyer I won’t deny I’m pleased to see the coverage the poll and comment piece got in the mainstream media.

      Of course the reason they’re featured in the round-up is to point out to those who contributed to the poll that their views are being passed on to an audience beyond those who read F1 Fanatic.

    • I genuinely felt proud of the F1 Fanatic Team when I saw those tweets and references to everyone’s favorite F1 website. I’ve always experienced frustration when reading the plethora of uniformed, ignorant and often plain disrespectful comments on many popular forums, and I feel privileged to be a member of what is in my opinion the most credible, well-informed, intelligent and engaging of online F1 communities. Thanks and keep up the terrific work!

  17. schooner (@schooner) said on 11th December 2013, 2:53

    Good to see the knee-jerk double points proposal getting so roundly, and universally ridiculed by many F1 VIP’s and VIW’s (very important websites!). I haven’t seen a sound argument for it yet. If the FIA has any sense of, and sensitivity to, their core audience’s informed feelings on this ridiculousness, the idea must be canned.

    • HoHum (@hohum) said on 11th December 2013, 3:08

      The idea should be canned but my guess is Bernie auctioned off the last race of the season with this double points format to sell it as the most important and expensive race of the year and the FIA went along with it because they will get the equivalent of an extra races worth of points payments from the teams without any extra expenses being incurred, Bernie and Todt wont want to give the money back. Bernie isn’t ruining F1 because he is stupid, Bernie is ruining F1 because he is greedy.

      • bull mello (@bullmello) said on 11th December 2013, 6:30

        @hohum – Think you are correct and that the teams will not vote this down. It would be like turning down a pay raise, not likely to happen. Funny thing is some people are saying this is to punish Vettel and Red Bull. If past form is any indicator, they would be the ones most likely to benefit from the extra points/prize money.

  18. Sumedh said on 11th December 2013, 3:40

    Actually, about the COTD, Alonso would still be a double WDC and Vettel would be a 4-time WDC.

    Because, if the teams already knew that Brazil 2012 was double points, Red Bull would have made Webber drop from 4th to 6th giving Vettel 5th place and hence the championship to Vettel.

    • Mike Dee (@mike-dee) said on 11th December 2013, 11:10

      Good point. Might be worth checking the other races in a bit more detail as well.

    • Mike Dee (@mike-dee) said on 12th December 2013, 11:18

      @Sumedh Actually, I don’t think it is true.

      Vettel had 13 points more than Alonso.

      Alonso came second, so would have received 18×2=36 points.

      Therefore, Vettel would have to get at least 23 points to still be champion. This would have meant fourth place.

      Letting Webber drop to 6th would not have been enough – Webber would have had to crash into Hulkenberg in fact and take them both out to ensure Vettel becomes champion. I doubt he would have gone that far.

  19. Chad (@chaddy) said on 11th December 2013, 4:23

    Can someone explain the Di Resta / Hamilton case? I don’t know anything about it, but it sounds like Hamilton has repeatedly perjured himself and is basically a scumbag.

    • HoHum (@hohum) said on 11th December 2013, 6:08

      @chaddy, you should not make those kind of assumptions when you know nothing about it, google it.

    • Red Andy (@red-andy) said on 11th December 2013, 8:50

      @chaddy From what I understand Hamilton is suing di Resta for wrongful dismissal. Di Resta sacked Hamilton as his manager in early 2012 after Hamilton is said to have lied about securing a sponsorship deal. For obscure reasons Hamilton believes that this (which would be considered gross misconduct in most lines of work) does not constitute valid grounds for dismissal.

    • McKenzie (@mckenzie) said on 11th December 2013, 14:29

      To be honest, I haven’t followed the story; it’s of little interest to me. I did read one report about the case, yesterday, on one of the big sports websites. The website – which I’m not going to name – is one of the big sites that covers all sports.

      Anyway, I read the comments attached to the report, mainly out of curiosity. I could not believe the racist abuse that was being hurled at Hamilton senior. One comment contained a racial epithet that I won’t lower myself to repeat here. I would imagine that comment has been deleted by now. Other comments include some vile, racial slurs and some of those comments were still up, as of a few minutes ago.

      Depressing to find out that sort of abuse is allowed on a sports website.

  20. GeeMac (@geemac) said on 11th December 2013, 4:40

    “From what I’m hearing, I think it could be complete chaos in the early part of the season,” he replied. It appears that teams are less than convinced that their new hybrid systems are going to be reliable, at least at first.”

    Come on Martin, you know that this era of hyper-reliability only came to being relatively recently. Mechanical breakdowns are a part of the sport, always have been, always will be. Now I’m glad that the gearbox in my road car doesn’t decide to seize up every morning on the way to work, but we all expect a highly strung racing car to give up the ghost from time to time. A few more retirements in races will add a nice variable to the sport and will allow Marussia and Caterham to get a more realistic sniff of scoring a few points, which can only be a good thing as it makes results like Webber 5th place in Australia 2002 possible again. The fact that the teams won’t be as ready as they’d like is a result of many things (lack of funds due to tough economic conditions, lack of testing time) but you can’t honestly say it is a bad thing for the sport if we get a few rouge results at the start of next season.

    • BasCB (@bascb) said on 11th December 2013, 6:21

      I think that its a really good thing to have too @geemac, its one of the things we missed in recent years, the uncertainty that a fast car would really make it to the flag

    • HoHum (@hohum) said on 11th December 2013, 6:35

      Me too @geemac, It won’t matter a damn how far out in front the leader is if there is every chance he will be stopping on the track before the finish, in the days of engines stressed to their absolute limit it was never over until the chequered flag dropped.

    • Mike Dee (@mike-dee) said on 11th December 2013, 11:12

      What will also be nice will be the last few races of the next season where half the grid will be starting from the pitlane after exhausting their allowable number of engine parts.

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