Alonso-Raikkonen combination a “time bomb” – Vergne

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Fernando Alonso, Ferrari, Korea International Circuit, 2013In the round-up: Jean-Eric Vergne says Fernando Alonso and Kimi Raikkonen may clash as team mates at Ferrari next year.

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Vergne: Raikkonen and Alonso combination a ticking time bomb (GP Update)

??I am convinced Fernando (Alonso) will be one of the championship candidates, but I’m very interested to see how it will work with Kimi (Raikkonen) as a team mate at Ferrari. Both Kimi and Fernando are very fast but the pair together could be a potential time bomb.”

New Jersey GP up for grabs (ESPN)

“All it needs is somebody serious to come up and say we will get behind this and make it happen. I have given [race promoter Leo] Hindery too much leeway. I wanted to believe that he would do it.”

Montezemolo: F1 simulators are a joke (Autosport)

“It is a joke. We have been forced to invest a huge amount of money in these terrible machines, artificial, instead of testing here [at Fiorano] and Mugello.”

Hamilton ‘confident’ for 2014 (Sky)

“The engine’s going to be difficult for people. There’s going to be blow-ups next year I’m sure all around and how we manage that [is going to be key].”

Comment of the day

India’s tax structure classifies F1 as entertainment rather than sport and Eoin (@Eoin16) says it’s hard to argue against that at the moment:

Can we really find fault with the Indian government taxing F1 as entertainment and not a sport?

Everything F1 has done in recent years has been to “improve the show”… DRS, super degrading tyres, even to the point where we now have the ridiculous double points rule for the final race.

If F1 wants to be a show and continue to ignore its sporting needs then I say that the Indian government is right to tax it as such.

Maybe if more countries follow suit then F1, FIA and FOM will take notice and we can have our sport back instead of the gimmick-filled nonsense we have now.
Eoin (@Eoin16)

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84 comments on Alonso-Raikkonen combination a “time bomb” – Vergne

  1. Ud (@udm7) said on 26th December 2013, 10:57

    LdM, being the head of Ferrari is saying something for the benefit for his team.
    While Ferrari’s simulator doesn’t match that of Mercedes/McLaren, It certainly not crap either. They roped in De La Rosa for his experience and to improve their simulator. Also, most of the teams outside big 5 don’t have simulators nor do they plan to, considering their budgets.
    Testing was banned since 2010 and since McLaren has generally had more speed than Ferrari. (This year excluded. 2010-2012 /Mclaren won more races an year than Ferrari)
    And from 1999 to 2009 Ferrari beat McLaren 9 times out of 11 (2005,2007). With Testing. Michael would spend whole days going round and round in his Fezza. The whole time McLaren kept improving their simulator.
    Now, the F2012 and MP4-28 started pretty much in the midfield yet Ferrari imrpoved their car drastically post Mugello. While 2nd in Spain was a farce, Alonso generaly managed to mix it up with McLaren, Mercedes and RB. This year though, McLaren made no gains till late season when Ferrari’s performance started to fall.
    Limited in season testing-like a day or too around Spain or Silverstone will be more useful than spending hours in a wind tunnel especially since many teams accepted that parts performing well in wind tunnel and simulation did not bring the same results on tracks. Not always.
    Almost never for Ferrari.

  2. Ldm barely cares about the sport as a whole and the other teams. Most of the time he opens his mouth he;s just angling for a Ferrari advantage. Remember how when we had the RRA this nut was pining for three car teams?!?! Honestly, I stopped listening to what he had to say years back. Although, he spoke some truth about the double point GP farce.

  3. Also, great COTD. Couldn’t agree more @Eoin16

  4. What a dumb comment of the day. DRS, grading tyres and double points rule as nothing to do with how F1 is taxed in India. And besides, ALL sports are doing things to improve their “show”, which they should, it’s part of their responsibility.

  5. xjr15jaaag (@xjr15jaaag) said on 26th December 2013, 12:45

    I think that the newer teams probably shouldn’t have been allowed into F1 in 2010 due to lack of budget. Instead, they should have got more funding before focussing on the racing side of things. That way, they can afford to spend more on development etc and be more competitive.
    Formula 1 is the pinnacle of motorsport; of course it’s going to be expensive, and the smaller teams need a larger budget to compete effectively.
    That’s the other side of the coin.

  6. Prisoner Monkeys (@prisoner-monkeys) said on 26th December 2013, 17:08

    Luca, not everybody has their own private test circuit next to their factories. Nor can they afford to constantly run tests with their cars, private circuit or no. Some of them can barely afford simulators.

  7. I am not a big fan of Kimi by any means but I do want to see him spice up the show by gently kicking Alonso’s “you know what”. Any bets at the bookies yet as to who will throw the first hissy fit and or maybe leave the team?

  8. some people out there still believe that ferrari will give them(alonso/raikkonen) the same car.
    come on, massa today may not be the same driver he was back in 2007-2008, but I’ve analised deeply his performances in races…he has never, and when I say never is never, been quicker than alonso.
    why ferrari didn’t fire massa before if he was that slow?
    are they completely crazy, going against their own interest?
    ferrari (alonso’s ferrari)was, overall, the second force in 2013. well, ferrari was beaten by mercedes because of massa’s, or massa’s car, low performances.
    no, and it’s not because massa is brazialian or because of his manager that they kept him.
    massa simply didn’t drive the same car alonso drove, as webber, despite motivation’s lack, didn’t drive the same car vettel drove.
    anyone with deep knowledge in mechanics, in motorsports and racing competitions would get it.
    I will have a further answer next year. if massa will have same points of bottas or more points, than we could easily support my point of view. same if raikkonen will be beaten of 50-70 or more points by alonso.

  9. DominikWilde (@dominikwilde) said on 26th December 2013, 22:44

    Say what you want about Luca di Mentezemolo, he does have a point.

    Track testing is needed in F1, they give something simulators can never give. I mean, can you imagine a top football team preparing for a match by playing on the Xbox? No! They do it in real life!

    A proper testing return is good news for everyone. Sponsors, young drivers, race drivers, fans, and of course Di Montezemolo.

    He doesn’t always talk sense but here, I’m sorry, but I believe he is

  10. davey said on 27th December 2013, 0:03

    A return to full testing must never happen, That would be a disaster for F1.

    LDM only wants testing back because Ferrari are the only team that can afford to test since they have there own tracks & because Ferrari’s simulator is worse than what other teams have.

    When we had testing Ferrari often had the advantage, Lets not forget that there dominance was helped by the fact they tested practically every week with all of there race/test drivers. I can remember in 2003 reading that Badoer was testing in Fiorano during race weekends towards the end of the year.

    Testing is an expensive waste of money which only 1-2 teams could even afford to do. It would serve no purpose other than put teams out of business & give those who could afford to test a huge advantage over the rest & that would lead to more years of domination by those who can spend cash testing.

    As to simulators, Big initial expense buying/installing the equipment but over time its a massive reduction in cost (Compared to track testing) & if you have a good simulator it does just as good a job as track testing when it comes to testing new components.

    Speaking of which, I can remember reading stories back in the testing days of teams spending millions doing a 1-2 day test & gaining no results as the components they were testing didn’t work as expected.
    McLaren wasted how much cash in 2003 testing a car they never even raced because they couldn’t get it to work.

  11. SauberS1 (@saubers1) said on 27th December 2013, 1:45

    It’s a very interesting situation, otherwise i’m not glad to Kimi’s Ferrari contract. But I have to agree it.

  12. Simulators are hugely expensive. Especially with hardware and software upgrades and research. The main development problem with simulators is no one but maybe Adrian newey has a handle on how wind resistance and air flow works. The main difference between your ps3 game and a simulator is the representation of air flow, it takes a supercomputer to accurately compute all that data. And aerodynamics is what we currently know the least about in relation to other parts of the car, that’s why there is the most time to be gained and lost by aero. I’m not saying Mr Ferrari boss is right, just saying that there are dynamics that most of you either don’t know or aren’t accounting for with simulations.

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