Red Bull ends test early again

2014 F1 season

Sebastian Vettel, Red Bull, Jerez, 2014Red Bull have been forced to cancel their running for a second day at Jerez after further problems with their RB10.

Daniel Ricciardo stopped on his first lap out of the pits midway through the third day of testing. He managed just two further laps before the team abandoned their running.

The team confirmed it had suffered a repeat of yesterday’s technical problems.

“We worked hard yesterday to make the changes it was felt were necessary to overcome the problems we identified and we were hopeful of a more successful day today,” explained race engineering co-ordinator Andy Damerum.

“Unfortunately, the measures we took only partially solved the issue and, as with yesterday, it?s more sensible to stop and dig deeper into finding a solution.

“It?s obviously not where we want to be and naturally the whole team is frustrated by these issues. However, we?re pretty good at bouncing back from this type of thing. This is where the whole team pulls together and I?m sure we will get these problems fixed.”

Red Bull have completed 14 laps of testing in three days.

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93 comments on Red Bull ends test early again

  1. disjunto (@disjunto) said on 30th January 2014, 14:26

    With all these issues surrounding the Renault power unit, getting more and more worried about the state of Lotus

  2. Roald (@roald) said on 30th January 2014, 14:28

    No one’s problems appear to be as bad as Red Bull’s. Might be down to their packaging being TOO tight and not just the Renault powerplant.

  3. NickF12013 (@nickf12013) said on 30th January 2014, 14:29

    Hahaha I’m so happy. I know I’m a bad person…

  4. Fer no.65 (@fer-no65) said on 30th January 2014, 14:30

    Any news on what really is wrong with Red Bull? I’ve read that it’s something to do with packaging, and the positon of some things that Renault are not happy with…

    • toiago (@toiago) said on 30th January 2014, 14:33

      They certainly couldn’t be expecting anything different from Newey.

      • Patrick (@paeschli) said on 30th January 2014, 15:06

        Indeed, the Newey cars of 2010-2013 were suprisingly reliable given his reputation of building fast but unreliable cars.

        • kpcart said on 30th January 2014, 15:12

          what do you mean, that is not his reputation, that is you inventing it, maybe after the 05 McLaren? mostly his cars have been fast and as reliable and others. and every car past 2010 has been reliable anyway because the formula was mostly the same.

          • toiago (@toiago) said on 30th January 2014, 15:19

            The Red Bull cars have been one of the most affected by KERS issues because of the unusual way in which the system was positioned in the car, because of Newey’s approach to it.

          • BarnstableD (@barnstabled) said on 30th January 2014, 15:29

            I’ve heard Brundle say something along these lines too, so it’s not just Patrick thinking it or ‘inventing it’.

          • Fer no.65 (@fer-no65) said on 30th January 2014, 16:36

            The 2007 and 2008 Red Bulls were incredibly unreliable, if I remember well. And all the championship winning Red Bulls have had some gremlins. KERS, mainly. Gearbox issues too, remember last year.

  5. xjr15jaaag (@xjr15jaaag) said on 30th January 2014, 14:41

    Here’s hoping they sort out the issues for Bahrain so they can really put in some laps and see just how good their car is.

  6. nidzovski (@nidzovski) said on 30th January 2014, 14:49

    Newey is already working on McLaren rear spoiler bottom. Maybe that’s way :D

  7. WilliamB (@william-brierty) said on 30th January 2014, 14:54

    I would remind you all of the case of the MP4-26, a car that in testing had an exhaust that only ever managed to do four laps in a row before it overheated, and yet, it was the same car that won the third race of the season. Red Bull are a powerhouse. At the moment they appear, like McLaren did in 2011, to have a fundamental issue with their car, which rumours say is the electrical installation of the car, but the second the problem is identified, steps can be made to rectify it, and I would imagine those steps are already being taken. Make no mistake, this is not necessarily heralding the end of an era for Red Bull, especially since we haven’t actually seen what the car is capable of yet. What bodes less favourably for Red Bull is the mileage Mercedes is racking up…

    p.s. It’s still William Brierty, I’ve just changed my avatar.

    • HoHum (@hohum) said on 30th January 2014, 15:08

      Will, can you not also change your @name to something shorter like @wb, less typing and less chance of error for respondents.

    • Terry Saunders said on 30th January 2014, 15:10

      totally agree,

      They’ve got the resources and manpower to sort it out, but I’d guess with such a complicated rule change they won’t be quite up to speed by season start.

      but maybe halfway through the season they’ll be blitzing the competition and winning eight straight races again… maybe.

    • uan (@uan) said on 30th January 2014, 15:15

      Toto Wolfe was saying after Day 1 that while it’s good to be getting laps under their belt (don’t forget the shooting day at Silverstone Mercedes had), they still haven’t done testing around performance. And there’s no way yet to know how they will stack up against everyone else in that department.

      The one thing RBR has going for them over all the other top teams is that they have shown themselves to be masters of developing their car in season. They also have admitted they are further behind because they were focusing for so long on winning the championships last year.

      Let’s not forget last year that Mercedes had the fastest car at the start of the season, more specifically at the start of races, before their tires would go away and they’d tumble down the order. Remember China? Bahrain? Canada? At least the cars weren’t breaking down ;)

      What’s really fun to watch is not so much where they are today, but how the teams will develop the cars over testing and the season.

      • WilliamB (@william-brierty) said on 30th January 2014, 15:43

        @uan – 2012 indeed illustrated that they are the masters of in season development, and it was that, coupled with McLaren’s failure to make the best of the MP4-27 that won Vettel his third title. I disagree however, that Mercedes had the fastest car at the start of 2013. They often had the fastest car on a single lap, due to the ease with which the car generated tyre temperature, but I would still argue that the RB9 had greater peak grip and downforce.

    • petebaldwin (@petebaldwin) said on 30th January 2014, 16:31

      Honestly, I think a much larger problem for them is their engine. With 8 days of testing left to go after Jerez, they are fast running out of time. Each of their engines sounded very sick when they ran today!

    • @william-brierty very good point on the comparison between the MP4-26 and the RB10, but one could flip that and suggest that since it is McLaren and Mercedes now racking up the miles that they will be the principle contenders and Red Bull will be constrained to the “close but not quite close enough” category…

      It’s still far too early to be drawing any conclusions though – reliability issues are to be expected with such a momentous change to the regulations and of course the RB10 hasn’t been driven in anger at all yet, so we have no basis on which it judge it’s performance credentials (as you stated yourself).

      However, I would not be surprised at all if a fundamentally changed car arrived in Bahrain.

      • WilliamB (@william-brierty) said on 30th January 2014, 17:13

        @vettel1 – I just don’t we can underestimate Red Bull. Yes, they are now three days behind in the installation process and have, to all intents and purposes, more of a sculpture than a racing car in that it seldom moves due to what we are now learning is a electronic installation issue, but such is the speed of development that that has shown in the past, particularly in 2012, that a solution is probably already being worked on and I expect a fundamentally different car to arrive in Bahrain. Also, so early are we in 2014 that the RB10 could very well be 0.5 a second down the road compared to the W05, F14 T or MP4-29, and then, once Red Bull have solved its issues they will be unbeatable once more.

        And yet, I say that assuming it is the same Red Bull team as it was last year. Will the defection of key personnel affect Red Bull’s ability to respond to this? And in 2014, will the value of that precious first mileage put Mercedes, McLaren and Ferrari ahead? All I know is the W05, MP4-29 and F14 T all look fast and reliable…

  8. sato113 (@sato113) said on 30th January 2014, 14:58

    i hope vettel retires at every race. maybe ricciardo popping up with a few podiums here and there!

    • Sumedh said on 30th January 2014, 15:59

      Oh, wow… aren’t you a true Formula 1 fan.

    • ranjith said on 30th January 2014, 16:01

      After reading your post, first thing came to my mind was Joker’s dialogue in TDK.”Madness is like gravity.All you need is a little push” Both Red Bull and Sebastian vettel have done more than a push indeed.:D

    • S2G-Unit (@s2g-unit) said on 30th January 2014, 16:11

      I agree too! I hope Redbulll gets it this year. Many people will cheer if they are not on top. People not stop being such pussies. It is ok to have a team you don’t like & enjoy when they dont win.

      • petebaldwin (@petebaldwin) said on 30th January 2014, 16:40

        It’s what is wrong with the modern F1 fan. I don’t think it is ok to hope someone retires. It’s like watching football and hoping someone gets injured.

        I hope the other teams can up their game and beat Red Bull this year but doing it by Red Bull retiring proves nothing.

        • Agreed! Retirements will be plentiful I’m sure, but that is not something to hope for. Hope for intense racing and grand battles instead, where Vettel come out as the loser (Feel free to insert any driver name instead of Vettel ;))
          It will only be a satisfying win for both drivers and fans, if the victory is won, and not handed over by retirement – f1 is a sport after all.

  9. Calum (@calum) said on 30th January 2014, 15:09

    I hope they sort it out.

    Whenever somebody eventually beats RedBull over a season I want it to be a close fight with RedBull involved rather than a non-event with RedBull unable to compete in defending their title.

  10. It’s not good signs coming from Red Bull and it’s at quite a crucial time as there is limited opportunity for development due to the constrained testing schedule of recent years, so you want to maximise every opportunity you have for track running.

    That said, the ones I now truly fear for are Lotus: should they encounter similar problems to that which have befallen the attending Renault runners at Jerez then they will be in a perilous situation in terms of pre-season preparation.

    Not of course that they have (relatively speaking) lost much ground to their engine counterparts, but this may be a circumstance of postponement of issues. However, maybe they can simply avoid troubles altogether and let Red Bull take the brunt of the teething problems!

  11. Timothy Katz (@timothykatz) said on 30th January 2014, 15:24

    When is the next test? How long have Red Bull got to work the problems out?

  12. Estesark (@estesark) said on 30th January 2014, 15:43

    Sorry if this has been posted before.
    Read it aloud: RB10. “Red Bull Are Beaten”!

  13. Rumour has it that Dietrich Mateschitz is already negotiating with Mercedes. Maybe for 2015 ?

  14. Corrado (@corrado-dub) said on 30th January 2014, 16:29

    Gooooood ! I hope RBR won’t be a title contender this year. I had enough of RBR/Vettel !

  15. Kingshark (@kingshark) said on 30th January 2014, 16:43

    Hypothetically speaking, if the Renault powerplant did turn out to be very underpowered/unreliable compared to Mercedes and Ferrari, what would happen? Tough luck for Renault teams, or would they be allowed to change and update the engine?

    • Mayank (@mjf1fan) said on 30th January 2014, 17:28

      I asked the same question yesterday at F1F live chat and got a good answer for it. Yes teams can change their engines but wont it be too costly for a mid season change? Also they would have to make modifications in their chasis for the new engine. So I really doubt any team will be considering changing engine mid season.

    • Steven (@steevkay) said on 30th January 2014, 17:31

      My understanding is that engine development is either not restricted this season, or has much fewer restrictions, with increasing restrictions after each season. I think after 5 years it will once again be frozen (and who knows, by that point another formula may be introduced). It’s much more in depth than that, but basically, they have about 5 years to further develop the engine, and there’s probably going to be restrictions on software/mapping, use of exotic materials, etc.

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