Can’t judge double points before it’s tried – Massa

2014 F1 season

Felipe Massa, Williams, Jerez, 2014Felipe Massa believes judgement on F1′s controversial double points plan should be reserved until it has been tried.

Drivers will be awarded double points for the final race of the season at Abu Dhabi in an effort to prolong the championship battle.

“Maybe it’s bad, maybe it’s good,” said Massa when asked about the new rule. “Depends. I mean, if it helps you, it’s always good.”

“If I had double points in 2008, I would’ve been champion.”

Asked if he would have been happy to win the championship that way Massa said: “No… I don’t know. Maybe it can be worse now.”

“I think it’s impossible to say ‘it’s stupid’, or, ‘it’s a good thing’ before it happens. It’s a crazy thing, but maybe it’s interesting and we’ll see.”

“To be honest, I think that when you have a very good championship, it could even help make it better. If you don’t have a good championship, it doesn’t change anything.”

Massa covered 86 laps on his final day of running at Jerez while rivals Red Bull only managed 21 during the entire test. Massa said he’d be “worried” if he was in their situation.

“But at least they have some problems sometimes.” he added. “Not just winning races a second a lap in front like we’ve seen in many races last year.”

“So maybe they’re having some troubles or some issues. I think that if you’re not seeing the Red Bull winning all the time, it could be positive for everybody.”

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64 comments on Can’t judge double points before it’s tried – Massa

  1. Colossal Squid (@colossal-squid) said on 1st February 2014, 17:26

    That makes no sense Felipe. I and I think many fans are not against it from a pure entertainment perspective – the only point that you seem to consider. It’ll create more artificial excitement, yes. It’ll be entertaining for the casual viewer. However it comes at the expense of so may other things – fairness, sporting integrity, rewarding dumb luck over excellence – that it debases the sport of Formula 1 as a whole. That’s why it’s a bad idea, and its use this year will not change why it’s terrible, or why it damages the sport.

    Oh, and I love the way he immediately brings up another variable that if applied in 2008, would have made him Champion. I am a fan of Felipe, I was distraught when he lost in 2008, but man, does he have to bring it up so often?

  2. Fer no.65 (@fer-no65) said on 1st February 2014, 17:44

    “If I had double points in 2008, I would’ve been champion.”

    I don’t mind Felipe saying Singapore 2008 costed him the title, because, well… it’s true.

    But I fail to understand how someone might take confort that winning a specific race in the calendar, now worth two races together, would have make him champion. How can you REALLY enjoy that?

    If we follow that train of thought, Hamilton would not have cared at all about Glock or the rain had the season opener been worth double…

    It’s fine comparing points systems, and saying: “oh, Eddie Irvine would’ve won the 1999 championship had the 10-8-6-4-3-2-1 point system been used”. That’s an all year thing. But the double points for 1 race, picked at random, is so, so unfair and ridiculous.

  3. Just wait until Vettel has a slow start and he is 49 points down in the final race and ends up taking his 5th title. Then what Felipe? It’s just better in so many ways for this not to be an option.

  4. Felipe…needs to forget Crashgate and his 2008 loss to Lewis. Its time he moved on.

  5. Paul (@frankjaeger) said on 1st February 2014, 19:12

    It’s not exactly a concept you need to get your head around. It’s quite simple to assertain. The last race rewards double points for no logical reason

  6. montreal95 (@montreal95) said on 1st February 2014, 19:20

    What a stupid thing to say Felipe BABY. You can’t judge a jump off a roof is a bad thing, until you end up in a pool of blood upon ending, too. Now we need Rob Smedley to tell him what to say to the press as well? Lame

  7. Girts (@girts) said on 1st February 2014, 19:41

    If it helps you, it’s always good. If I had double points in 2008, I would’ve been champion.

    Well, that’s the biggest problem. How much credibility will the world champion have if he wins the title only because of this new rule? Social media and other media will be full of ‘if the normal points system was in place, [name here] would be champion’. And can you imagine how the fans are going to react if their favourite driver loses the title just because of the double points rule? Even NASCAR’s new rules are not as potentially dangerous because they don’t make the difference between what has happened and what could (or should) have happened that obvious.

    There are so many possible situations that you cannot ‘try’ the rule one year to see if it’s right or not. Yes, it’s possible that everything will be (or feel) alright but it’s like playing Russian roulette.

    Massa’s opinion might sound a bit chaotic but it tells us perfectly why this rule should be scrapped before ‘trying’ it.

    • bull mello (@bullmello) said on 2nd February 2014, 3:49

      Every season with any kind of double points scheme will need an asterisk placed next to it in the record books. At least it was fairly easy to compare previous seasons with different points systems because the same amount of points were awarded every race during a single season. It will be messy at best to make such comparisons in the future. This does not need to be tried to know it is “stupid”.

  8. bull mello (@bullmello) said on 1st February 2014, 20:35

    “I think it’s impossible to say ‘it’s stupid’, or, ‘it’s a good thing’ before it happens.

    Many things in life can and should be judged before trying. Jumping off bridges or using meth may well be more negative examples than double points, but all three can be judged poor choices without actually having to try them first.

  9. Undersquare said on 1st February 2014, 21:29

    Nice and realistic answer from Felipe. Lets give it a try and see how it pans out and evaluate after the season. Good to see most in the paddock react a tad less hysterical to a simple rule change than many a fan.

  10. SauberS1 (@saubers1) said on 2nd February 2014, 0:45

    I don’t like double points.

  11. Kelsier (@kelsier) said on 2nd February 2014, 8:06

    Massa was never much of a thinking man…

  12. Tov (@tov) said on 2nd February 2014, 10:00

    I have an idea.
    Since one race gets double points how about giving half points in Monaco.
    It’s not really a race, noone races there they only folllow each other so why would winner get full points?

  13. Mark Young (@terry-fabulous) said on 3rd February 2014, 2:44

    It is time to calm down about double points people…. It’s going to happen and it will be fine.

    FACT – When the title is settled before the final race, a lot of casual viewers switch off.
    FACT – This simply increases the chances that the title won’t be settled before the final race!

    This isn’t about ‘you’ as an F1Fanatic, you are going to watch regardless, this is all about getting more casual viewers.

    It is unlikely, but possible that double points could affect the ultimate winner. Remember, it isn’t the 1950s with ten races and the final one is double points, there are 19 races, more then enough time for someone to get two races in front and prevent being robbed by a mechanical failure.

    And if it does, then that is part and parcel of the theatre of this magnificent Sport! It has never been a a pure competition, rather an intensely involved affair with all manner of complications, tyres, teammates, reliability, weather and so forth.

    Just relax and enjoy the season, stop whining all the time. If it really annoys you so much, go find another form of quality motor racing and enjoy that instead.

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