Massa expects Alonso to beat Raikkonen at Ferrari

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Fernando Alonso, Ferrari, Jerez, 2014In the round-up: Felipe Massa, who has been team mates to both Fernando Alonso and Kimi Raikkonen at Ferrari, believes Alonso will have the upper hand this year.

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Upbeat Massa tips ‘brainy’ Alonso to beat Raikkonen at Ferrari (James Allen on F1)

“He is very intelligent, he’s already worked out the new regulations and he knows what he needs to do to be quick straight away.”

Rosberg Pleased With Mercedes Mileage In Jerez (Speed)

“It’s a bit of a pity because the cars are slower, obviously we always prefer to go faster, so that’s not quite as nice.”

Mateschitz concerned by budget cap (Autosport)

“To enforce a budget cap you have to clearly state what is included and what not – what about marketing, drivers’ salaries etc? And what if you are a manufacturer and can hide several expenses in other budgets?”

Examining the new McLaren (Sky)

“With heads were being scratched in the Jerez paddock about the legality of McLaren’s design, it seems that rivals are preparing to cover all their bases just in case.”

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134 comments on Massa expects Alonso to beat Raikkonen at Ferrari

  1. craig-o (@craig-o) said on 3rd February 2014, 8:46

    I still think Kimi will do it.

  2. Lewis McMurray (@celicadion23) said on 3rd February 2014, 9:50

    I’ve just thought of a good idea. Most of the new rule changes, ban on exhaust blowing, double points etc have been brought in to try and reign in Vettel and keep the title fight alive for longer, just as a lot of the rules being brought in ten years ago were designed to stop Schumacher’s dominance. A lot of these new rules have been poorly received not just by fans but by drivers too. There’s something they can bring back that will satisfy every party: more fast corners.

    It’s a known fact that Vettel is arguably the best at the slower chicanes, which have sprung up all over the place in recent years increasing his advantage, but he’s not quite mastered the faster stuff. Webber was often just as quick as Vettel at the older, more sweeping circuits. Drivers also much prefer them to Abu Dhabi car park circuits, as do fans.

    So get Hermann on the phone, tell him to change the last corners at Barcelona back to how they used to be, reprofile the Red Bull Ring back to the Osterreichring and for gods sake bulldoze Yas Marina and start again. Of course Vettel might still walk the title, but the cars might be more interesting to watch.

    • @celicadion23 You only mentioned two points which went against RBR : ban on exhaust blowing, double points

      Whereas a lot of people here feel there are lot many changes made to suit RBR, for example 2012 spec tyres in 2013..

    • petebaldwin (@petebaldwin) said on 3rd February 2014, 11:03

      Vettel’s dominance was largely down to the blown diffusers that he was a master of controlling. MUCH better than Webber! Around the higher speed stuff where your revs are higher anyway, it’s not such a problem as the diffuser does it’s own work but around the slower speed stuff, you had to control it by keeping the revs high. Vettel was the master of that.

      With that gone this year, he won’t dominate on the slower speed corners as he did last year. He probably has to make the biggest shift in driving style out of everyone on the grid!

    • Airrider said on 3rd February 2014, 13:18

      Speed up the cars?! BLASPHEMY!

  3. HUHHII (@huhhii) said on 3rd February 2014, 12:05

    I have a feeling many Alonso fanatics and so-called “experts” will be surprised.

    • Don’t to worry about it, this year Mclaren will dominate..and suddenly one driver start to prefer someone else’s car again.

      • Kingshark (@kingshark) said on 3rd February 2014, 15:21

        @huhhii

        I have a feeling many Alonso fanatics and so-called “experts” will be surprised.

        You’d go a long way to find a single person more qualified than Massa to make a judgement about the racing ability of both Kimi and Alonso.

        • petebaldwin (@petebaldwin) said on 3rd February 2014, 15:36

          @kingshark – True but you’d also have to go a long way to find a single person with a stronger reason to say that Alonso is better! Massa was competitive against Alonso for the final races of his Ferrari career but was hopeless for most of the rest. He was in better form against Kimi and drove like he did in those last few races, more regularly.

          Obviously he doesn’t want to publicly state that he was doing a poor job for a few years but the simple fact is that he was. He showed what he could do right at the end and hopefully, he’ll carry that over to Williams and be a real asset for them.

          • Breno (@austus) said on 4th February 2014, 0:26

            It’s not about Massa vs Raikkonen and later Massa vs Alonso. It’s how Massa perceived both of them, while their teammates, and he reached the conclusion Alonso will win, for whatever the reason. It’s not about judging them through Massa, but rather Massa saying who he thinks will come out on top, from years of experience with both of them.

        • gogogoalex (@gogogoalex) said on 3rd February 2014, 15:37

          Compare the old Massa-Raikkonen with the Massa-Alonso is useless because Massa pre accident was pretty good driver, Massa post accident has been a driver without the ability to do a podium!!! So who compares that is making an useless comparison. Anyway Raikkonen and Alonso we will see, althought everybody expects Alonso to beat Raikkonen at least in the bettings, because he has number one driver status at Ferrari from five years ago, and Montezemolo hates Kimi and Banco Santander is the owner of Ferrari without any interest in a finish driver winning races. They dont sell there, so a priori Alonso has all the number one status advantages, but if he makes his classics mistakes of all years in the first races (Malaysia 2 or 3 years not getting points), Bahrain (always lot of mistakes and few points) or Australia (not this best circuit), China (isnt his best circuit too), if he mix a bad start and Kimi a good one, then the cards and the status in Ferrari may be change, but in “equal” conditions Ferrari will do all the possible to make Alonso win and Kimi second. Because the sponsorships own the scuderia, and they demand a spanish winnner rather than a finish winner, other thing is if they cannot choose betweem winners, which means Ferrari wont win the championship and Dominicalli (the only real Kimi supporter on Ferrari) out of the game.

        • HUHHII (@huhhii) said on 3rd February 2014, 15:48

          @kingshark I wasn’t referring to Massa. I meant guys like Johnny Herbert, Damon Hill, Jacques Villeneuve etc. who have said similar comments.
          Massa clearly wants to make ALO look better than anyone else, so that the cruel beating he took from him could be justified. I don’t think Massa’s comments has any value in this case.

        • I don’t think Massa actually beat Kimi, I remember early in 2008 when Kimi dominating..and people started to play politics like Kimi is definite number 1 driver and so on. And then Kimi had too much money and became 12 kg heavier and so loosing qualifying to Massa. Bad pit-stop, exhaust problem and Spa accident just make it worse and then Ferrari changed side.

  4. Rahim.RG (@rahim-rg) said on 3rd February 2014, 13:43

    we all know Alonso is a great driver and so does Raikkonen know…i’m sure both will give each other a run for their money…but as a Raikkonen fan…i hope he comes out on top at the end..he’s got a lot to prove to ferrari and all the other doubters…yet we can’t say who will have the edge..but one thing i’m sure about…we mite get to see the best of Raikkonen this year…

  5. Prisoner Monkeys (@prisoner-monkeys) said on 3rd February 2014, 18:08

    I suspect that 2014 will be the battle for Ferrari’s soul.

    In one corner, we have Fernando Alonso, who has been publicly supported by Luca di Montezemolo. In the other, we have Kimi Raikkonen, who was promoted to the seat by Stefano Domenicali over the wishes of di Montezemolo, who reportedly wanted Nico Hulkenberg in the seat.

    Ferrari have not won a Drivers’ Championship since 2007 or a Constructors’ Championship since 2008. They have come very, very close in 2010 and 2012, but have been let down by poor car development, particularly late in the season. Whatever the case, Ferrari’s gradual downturn has coincided with Domenicali’s appointment as team principal. That is not to say that he has failed – no-one could have beaten Sebastian Vettel or Red Bull in 2011 or 2013 – but he is no doubt coming under pressure at Ferrari.

    On the other hand, di Montezemolo has also had his shortcomings. Under his leadership, Ferrari completely missed the boat on young driver programmes, and so the likes of Vettel and Lewis Hamilton – who, twenty years ago, would have been groomed for a Ferrari seat – won titles for other teams. And when they finally got a programme of their own off the ground, they lost the first driver, Sergio Perez, to McLaren.

    And so we have two former World Champions in Alonso and Raikkonen, with each supported by a powerful figure within Ferrari, both of whom are coming under pressure for the team’s failure to perform – when the best you can do is get two near misses in five attempts, that is never a good sign. Whoever emerges in front, World Champion or no, at the end of the year is likely to win a lot more control over the future of the team for his backer. At the risk of making a terrible metaphor, Alonso and Raikkonen are two knights jousting with one another for the glory of their king. To the victor go the spoils; the loser will probably go to Ye Olde Unemployment Office.

    If 2014 is another Red Bull whitewash (redwash?), then I think the Ferrari intra-team battle is going to be one of the more interesting subplots that we see. Personally, my money is on Alonso.

  6. I think Massa’s comments on this debate are most most interesting considering he’s worked with them both yet he is not obligated to remain unbiased. Still it would make him look better if Alonso beats Raikkonen by a large margin.

    • Rockie (@rockie) said on 4th February 2014, 14:56

      What I wonder is what would people say if Alonso is beaten by Raikkonen.
      How would his (Alonso’s) time with Massa be looked upon or if Bottas beats Massa?

      • Yeah, its like comparing Senna loose to Hakkinen in qualifying, Alonso loose to Trulli in qualifying, or Schumacher loose to Rosberg in both qualifying and race = nonsense.
        However, comparing Senna vs Prost will be interesting.

  7. Barney said on 4th February 2014, 8:29

    If the FERRARI team will be fair this year and give them both equal chances, I think it will be very tight. Both Alonso & Raikkonen have developed into EXCELLENT drivers over the years!

    Kimi’s comeback was truly amazing and Alonso has proven his class many times with a car that did not help very much! I think in some races we will see Alonso on top, in others Raikkonen, but whoever will be the most consistant will finish ahead of his team mate. Personally I’d love to see Kimi win another title with Ferrari, but it’s hard to believe they won’t be 60% behind Alonso and only 40% around Raikkonen, plus after all these years getting beaten by Vettel & RB, it will be hard for Alonso if he’s gonna lose the title to his team mate….

  8. gogogoalex (@gogogoalex) said on 5th February 2014, 8:54

    I don’t expect Alonso to beat Raikkonen easily, he has the upper hand in the teams politics which has given him many battles over the years, but if Raikkonen dont make mistakes he will him a hard time and team may be forced to change its opinion. Montezemolo and Santander fired Raikkonen 5 years ago, now they have to “share” team with him, bad thing for Raikkonen, but Raikkonen only had this opportunity to be in a competitive and winning team so its the sacrifize he will make, but its not a good thing, specially when other persons have so many interest in making u the second driver, the second option, the second advertising man, the second winning man, … The second…
    Anyway today i will talk about Alonso history in f1 and his teammates comparison:
    Alonso-Trulli: Trulli beat him in 2004, and Alonso complained about lot of things to their bosses, Trulli signed with other team and Renault decided to kick him fast from the team giving him a very poor car, which force him not to score points in last races, and leave to Toyota frustrated, from that year that Trulli beat Alonso, Renault decided to declare Alonso the number one driver and whatever is on the second car, the second driver.
    Alonso-Fisichella: they gave Alonso the clear number one role, and Fisichella which never been a great driver, a world champion driver dissappeared. He was world champion twice, but 2005 dominated by Raikkonen, but reliability give him the title, and in 2006 the title was a matter of good luck, when Schumachers car broke the engine in the last race. In 2005 and 2006 he didnt dominate the year, with a far superior car than the rest, like the Red Bull now Vettel has.
    Alonso-Hamilton: the 2 times world champion vs the rookie. The gave the 2 the same material, u know what happened, Hamilton defeated Alonso with regularity, making him lost his papers and claiming paranoic things, like roofs they fall to his car in purpose, like tyres pressures manipulated everyday, etc, etc. All of this came when he lost the “chance” in his stupid crash in Japan and lost all of his chances on that race, when he though he will beat Hamilton in rain easily. He didnt accept the defeat and he gone from McLaren, he know that if Hamilton was his partner more years he will need to “cry” lot of times and will have lof ot headaches during this time. So he returned to Renault.
    2008-2010: he return to Renault where he was the undoubtely first driver, he signed in contract that not to have another “Hamilton” kicking his ass, was the first condition he establish to return to Renault, appart from a huge huge huge amount of money by Renault, he rejected offers from RedBull (champion 2010-2013) and BrawnGP (champion 2009). The last 5 world champion winner cars.
    2010-2013: he move to Ferrari, where he was the clear number one driver and Massa the second driver, with fewer options to become world champion, Massa lost most of his ability after the accident as we saw in the records, and team politics make the rest. Which was strange is the moments the “useless” Massa beat regularly Alonso when Alonso was in last races, thats a thing he should talk about that more, dont know if it was a matter of falling under pressure of Alonso, which is highly possible, or a matter than they give Massa equal material to Alonso for that races, and he began beating him in qualifying regularly how it should have been this years, not to been team politics. Because everybody knows Alonso is half grid qualifier.
    Alonso vs Raikkonen: Alonso is bad qualifier, and Raikkonen is bad in qualifying too, with a car they always name as bad qualifier -> all indications say this year Ferrari will lose a lot in qualifying and they will have to recover lots in race.
    Alonso in race is pretty quick and its very good driver at taking car home.
    Raikkon in race is quick too and its good driver overtaking cars, much better than Alonso, so it will be interesting to see the two of them. But like i said before in equal results, “Ferrari” will decide the win for Alonso, who really will decide will be Montezemolo and Santander. May be thats why Massa said that, because he knows team politics all this years. And we all know too. Appart from that is only the second time Alonso has a competitive driver as partner and he failed miserably last time.

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