New engines more powerful than expected

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Lewis Hamilton, Mercedes, Jerez, 2014In the round-up: Mercedes say F1′s new V6 turbos, which were expected to produce around 600bhp, are actually giving closer to 700bhp.

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“Drei Mal so viele Teile wie fr???her” (Auto Motor und Sport – German)

Mercedes’s Andy Cowell says the approximate output of the new V6 turbo engines is around 700ps (690bhp) before the estimated extra 150bhp from the Energy Recovery Systems is added, giving F1 cars more power than estimated when the new regulations were devised.

F1 in push to shake up qualifying rules (Autosport)

“[Proposals] include forcing the ten drivers who make it through to Q3 to start the race on the set of tyres that they set their best Q2 lap on.”

Bernie Ecclestone backs Mercedes for 2014 title (The Hindu)

“The way things worked out at Jerez, Mercedes seem best prepared to succeed with Rosberg winning the title.”

How to breed a new generation of car enthusiasts (Autocar)

“Six packs of Lego later ?ǣ an F1 car, an F1 support truck, an F40, a Berlinetta 250 GT, a 458 Italia and an FXX ?ǣ and he was hooked. McLaren, for now, is history as far as my boy?s concerned. Ferrari has history: fast cars, racing cars and Lego cars. That?s as good as it gets.”

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With the new engines offering drivers considerable scope for attacking and defending their rivals, does F1 have another reason to scrap its sticking plaster solution to overtaking?

If it weren?t for DRS then this would have been really interesting. A chasing driver may have been able to overtake, only for the other driver to reverse the positions ?ǣ both knowing that they can?t keep swapping places without burning through their fuel too quickly and then both dropping back through the field.

As it is, with DRS, they?ll just breeze past each other, and use that extra performance to pull ahead out of DRS range.
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128 comments on New engines more powerful than expected

  1. Kimi4WDC said on 7th February 2014, 1:36

    Where do you find robot that brings $30 million to the team for just to be there? :)

  2. KaspianH said on 7th February 2014, 1:56

    And let’s not forget that these are first generation engines. Imagine power, reliability and efficiency next season and beyond. They’re just getting their heads around these things.

  3. pking008 (@pking008) said on 7th February 2014, 2:30

    Bernies knack for always picking a German to be champion is becoming un-nerving now. Was he and former F1 boss Max Mosley German in their previous life?

  4. Bridger said on 7th February 2014, 6:27

    The Andy Cowell interview is certainly very interesting if read in full. Andy doesn’t really confirm how powerful the engine is exactly. What he does discuss in detail is the fact that engines will only be run at a max 10.500 rpm as this is when max allowed fuel flow is reached. This would certainly explain the more muted sound that the engines are making this season.

  5. Johnnie said on 7th February 2014, 8:34

    I want q3 to be a shoot out. One lap.

  6. craig-o (@craig-o) said on 7th February 2014, 8:51

    Now what happens if the Ferrari and Renault engines only produce 600bhp?

    • Then hopefully at the very least we get some competitive racing between mercedes and maclaren drivers. But also, maximum power might not be the most important factor in performance this season, maybe it will be efficiency of the system over a race distance. Merc cars could lock out the first 3 rows on the grid but fall back during the race. We won’t really know anything until the end of the first race.

      I hope engine performance is relatively even across the manufacturers though, tortoise and hare type racing doesn’t really appeal. But i doubt the gaps will be as big as people expect, the fuel regulations should mean everyone is in the same ballpark.

  7. Theoddkiwi (@theoddkiwi) said on 7th February 2014, 9:11

    If they insist on keeping the top ten drivers on the ste they qualifed on then wouldn’t the logical solution to those who have qualified for Q3, but chose not to run, then be forced to use the tyres they qualified for Q3?

    So if Driver A Qualifies 8th in Q2 on Tyre set A, but then don’t set a time in Q3, they will then have to start on the same Tyre Set A they used in Q2 but in 10th position.
    Meanwhile the Driver B and Driver C who qualifies 9th and 10th respectively do set times in Q3 on Tyre Set B They then will start on Tyre Set B and regardless of their qualifying time start ahead of Drive A in at least 8th and 9th position.
    That would take away any incentive to not do a proper run. You could add in a rule saying they must set a time with 103% of their Q2 time. That would mean they cant just do a slow installation lap to save their tyres either.
    So it would be pointless to skip Q3 as you’d have to run on used tyres anyway as well as automatically being pushed back to the lower grid positions.

    Even if all the drivers skipped Q3. The top ten would all have to run on their Q2 tyres in the order they qualified for Q3, so who ever was fastest in Q2 would end up on pole. But this is unlikely going to happen because the guy who qualified 10th would surely like the chance to be on pole and jump the other 9 who chose to stay in their garage. So at worst they all make a mad dash in the last 5 mins of Q3 for a single run.

  8. Sven Örup said on 7th February 2014, 10:04

    Make this simple!
    Give all cars a certain number of tires of 3 different compounds
    for each weekend and then let them do as they please.

    • craig-o (@craig-o) said on 7th February 2014, 11:48

      They currently have that with two compounds and we have a situation where in qualifying cars choose not to run and in the races they’re not driving as fast as they can…

  9. PhilEReid (@philereid) said on 7th February 2014, 12:34

    So, upwards to 850bhp, this with reduced down force, even with the extra weight… Are we likely to see higher top-speeds from the cars?

  10. Michael Brown said on 7th February 2014, 17:08

    The system of saving electrical energy before using it to overtake is appealing to me. It’s like F1′s version of push to pass. Now they need to get rid of DRS more than ever.

  11. sunny stivala said on 7th February 2014, 17:44

    “New engines more powerful than expected” the reporting is a bucketful of BS, the calculations quoted belongs entirely to the interviewer and not to Andy Cowel.

    • sunny stivala said on 7th February 2014, 17:51

      A good IC engine is expected to produce a max of 600hp at 10500rpm, above this rpm fuel flow will start to diminish and therefore above 10500rpm the IC engine will not be producing any more power.

  12. BJ (@beejis60) said on 7th February 2014, 19:23

    I’m truly curious if a racing series can come to fruition where there are no restrictions whatsoever. I know there USED to be series run like this… I know they’ll need guaranteed income from TV coverage and/or race fees for the winners, etc… But on a purely theoretical stage, can a group of teams come together and form a series where active aero, traction control, electronic suspension is normal; where V12, V10, and V6 cars mix it with gasoline, biofueled, and/or diesel fueled vehicles, with or without ERS can come together to race once a month and stay solvent?

  13. bbt67 said on 7th February 2014, 19:30

    Mark Webber on Question of Sport Now 19:30

  14. BBT (@bbt) said on 7th February 2014, 19:34

    Mark Webber is on Question of Sport BBC1 7:30pm tonight

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