Retirements needed for points in Australia – Vettel

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Sebastian Vettel, Red Bull, Bahrain, 2014In the round-up: Sebastian Vettel says Red Bull will need some luck just to score points in Australia.

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Sebastian Vettel predicts Red Bull debacle in Melbourne (The Age)

“If half the drivers fail to finish, then maybe we could take a few points.”

Red Bull two months behind – Marko (ESPN)

Helmut Marko: “The opening race comes at least two months too early for us. This is a very serious matter. At the moment we do not know in what time frame it will be possible to catch up, or if it is possible at all.”

Grosjean: It’s far from ideal (Sky)

“Honestly, I’m not happy tonight. It’s far from ideal, we didn’t do a third of what we wanted to, but what can you do?”

Vijay Mallya Q&A (F1)

“Q: So what are your expectations for the first four flyaway races? Are you looking to cash in in on any engine advantage?
VM: The first four races present a great opportunity, particularly for the Mercedes-powered teams, because so far they are showing that they are ahead of the rest. But in the end it will be all about – here comes the word again – reliability.”

Kvyat relieved by STR improvement (Autosport)

“When we didn’t have so many reliability problems we did some important tests on the chassis side. As soon as we saw the car was running nicely we had to get something done.”

Bomb at Bahrain protest kills three policemen (Al Jazeera)

“Three policemen have been killed by a remotely detonated bomb in Bahrain during a protest in a village west of the capital Manama, the Interior Ministry has said, in one of the worst incidents of violence in recent months.”

A new position at Ferrari (Joe Saward)

“Ferrari has had a slight switch around in its management in recent days with the appointment of Antonello Coletta as the new sporting activities director.”

Daniil Kvyat drives the Toro Rosso STR9 in the wet at Misano (F1 Fanatic via YouTube)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w5c2MlUKH2w

So what do we know? (The Buxton Blog)

“From what I understand from a high level independent source after testing had finished, the reality could be even more astonishing. If the data adds up as he believes and the factory Mercedes team was able to run their cars at 100%, right now they would win every Grand Prix not by a few seconds but by two clear laps.”

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Spencer White reckons there’s been too much criticism of Sauber’s driver line-up:

Sutil is a very strong midfield driver who will get consistent points finishes if provided with a good car.

Gutierrez will do the same job as Sutil and he is on a learning curve, so it won’t be long before he gets a few more points.
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111 comments on Retirements needed for points in Australia – Vettel

  1. ivz (@ivz) said on 5th March 2014, 0:13

    It’s quite interesting with the new rules throwing up all types of challenges, and shaking up the pecking order a bit. But at the same time, I like F1 most when most of the field is only separated by less than a second or two. It’s going to be so spread out, I’m not sure I will even be interested in watching :(

    • In_Silico (@insilico) said on 5th March 2014, 1:18

      That’s one of the most pessimistic comments I’ve read about the 2014 season all winter. It’s going to be brilliant – you have my word.

    • Banburyhammer (@banburyhammer) said on 5th March 2014, 1:33

      Yeah, but there something truly engrosssing about sheer brutal speed as well. We have gotten used to watching cars where aero is king, and with the engine a non factor. Im sure that Its going to be a stonker this season, even with the idiotic DRS and double points gimmicks.

      I mean look at the lap time breakdown in Buxtons article. Those perfomance stats in a car thats still basically being shaken down! I cant wait to see what the hell those things can do at Monza propelling themselves out of Parabolica.

    • Spinmastermic (@spinmastermic) said on 5th March 2014, 2:13

      Australia is going to be 90 minutes of pop goes the weasel :)

    • Vincente said on 5th March 2014, 2:25

      Imagine, Redbull struggle during the first ten rounds, doing catch up all the time. Thanks to the new double points rules, RBR and Vettel snatch both WCC and WDC by a single point at the last race.

    • GeeMac (@geemac) said on 5th March 2014, 4:43

      So that must mean people didn’t watch f1 before 2010…

      • dennis (@dennis) said on 5th March 2014, 9:18

        This so much. I have a hard time thinking of many races AT ALL where ‘most of the field’ was only seperated by a second… And if they were, nobody was fast enough to overtake somebody else, anyway.

    • Pennyroyal tea (@peartree) said on 5th March 2014, 5:26

      The racing itself is surely not going to be like 2009 when the changes meant basically a reshuffle of the pack unfortunately with someone streaking ahead but with good condition for racing as cars were oversteering with lack of grip and wide front tyres. This year the torque and low grip at slow speeds should be a remedy for close quarters racing but as you say the racing will be divised by engine manufacturer and wide spreads. Nevertheless it should be very interesting and new as it is for the start of the season especially Melbourne the rest I may go with you on the pessimism.

      • Todfod (@todfod) said on 5th March 2014, 7:55

        The racing itself is surely not going to be like 2009 when the changes meant basically a reshuffle of the pack

        Agree. The worst team on the grid in 2008 (Honda) became the WDC and WCC winners in 2009.

        I don’t think anyone expects that kind of re shuffle in the pack, with Marrussia or Caterham leading the pack. There are a few of the usual suspects up there – Mercedes, Mclaren and maybe even a revived Williams. Ferrari should be in their usual place as well 3rd or 4th quickest. The only drastic change might be Red Bull

        As you said, the degree of how much ahead the Mercedes powered cars are, will be seen only in Melbourne

    • Pelican (@pelican) said on 5th March 2014, 18:31

      Since last season ended, everything i’ve heard about this season has had me dreading it more and more, I was afraid all the racing was going to be dreary pace-holding, (which it probably will be). But after the last round of testing, I’m finally looking forward to Melbourne: God only knows what will happen.

  2. Ads21 (@ads21) said on 5th March 2014, 0:19

    Hamilton says Red Bull have a “sensational” car, whilst Vettel says they’ll be lucky to score points. It’s almost as if drivers are trying to manage expectations….

    • TMF (@tmf42) said on 5th March 2014, 6:57

      @ads21 I bet you everybody in the paddock is nervous because no one knows where they are and the tests haven’t been as conclusive as usual – so basically they talk down their own prospects and talk up the opponents to manage expectations. Everyone seems to be doing it right now.

    • dennis (@dennis) said on 5th March 2014, 9:20

      As far as ams said, it depends on where you were watching the car during the test. Apparently the Red Bull was quite quick in the corners at first, but after Renault updated the software to stop the car from stopping all the time the car became hard to drive, with quite a delay in the power delivery and loads of turbo lag, which lead to fishtailing out of corners.

      • Baron (@baron) said on 5th March 2014, 18:24

        @Dennis. A car with turbo-lag would not ‘fish-tail.’ However a car accelerating out of a corner with bags of torque, could. You can’t have both at the same time, as turbo-lag would indicate a lack of power, not too much power and a resultant loss of traction.

        These PU’s do have a specific facility to spin up the turbo and so negating any lag, however, if their software isn’t up to scratch, turbo lag could well be on the menu.

        • matt90 (@matt90) said on 5th March 2014, 19:18

          turbo-lag would indicate a lack of power, not too much power and a resultant loss of traction

          No, it indicates a lack of power up to a point, then a fairly sudden dollop of it, which may destabilise the car resulting in fish-tailing. More torque would have a similar result as you said though.

        • dennis (@dennis) said on 5th March 2014, 19:23

          As matt said, if the engine delivers the power unevenly, which might be a software issue in Renault’s case, then the car will spin the wheels suddenly, resulting in an unpredictable corner-exit.
          Huge amount of torque is controllable, with a proper and smooth power delivery. You can counter turbo-lag in modern turbos with variable turbine geometry for instance, however, that’s again a question of setting the engine up.

  3. Colossal Squid (@colossal-squid) said on 5th March 2014, 0:25

    It’s starting to look like Mercedes already have the titles sewn up if you believe some people. I hope the reality isn’t that boring and one dominant team is being replaced by another. On the bright side, such a situation would make a mockery of double points in a way.

    • The Abbinator (@abbinator) said on 5th March 2014, 2:01

      Pretty much any outcome will make a mockery of double points. If either championship is close and artificially decided it would be grossly unfair; if it turns out to be a runaway season for Merc and/or any single driver, D.P. will prove to be pointless (excuse pun); if ROS beats HAM in the finale (or vice versa or anyone for that matter) due to mech failure, it would prove to be unfair. No matter how you slice it, it is a bad idea and will be ridiculed… I’m actually hoping it causes great controversy and creates a grossly unfair outcome so that it will be written off as a hare-brained scheme of a senile and constantly increasingly irritating fool.

      • GBF1 said on 5th March 2014, 2:17

        I agree entirely. Double points has to be the most ridiculous idea since the terrible qualifying ideas of the early 2000’s.

        It’s artificial, it’s unfair and usporting. If it is going to be double points in the last race then the race distance should also be DOUBLED. One GP win is NEVER worth more than another in sporting terms and only in prestige terms (e.g Monaco win vs a Hungary win, no offence to Hungary).

        They wouldn’t need to mess around to artificially inflate the final race if…
        1. There were not too many races.
        2. It was not 25 points for a win with massive drop offs in points going down the order.

      • Kingshark (@kingshark) said on 5th March 2014, 3:00

        @colossal-squid

        It’s starting to look like Mercedes already have the titles sewn up if you believe some people. I hope the reality isn’t that boring and one dominant team is being replaced by another.

        At least we can count on a WDC fight between Lewis and Nico. Red Bull’s domination was boring because they refused to put a top driver alongside Vettel.

    • Paul A (@paul-a) said on 5th March 2014, 15:26

      One point about the “reliability” that nobody appears to have commented on is the use of only five engines (or the six subsidiary units) giving rise to grid penalties. This could have tremendous impact towards the end of the season, particularly for the Renault powered cars. The FIA seem to be aware of this as 28.4 (g) of the sporting regs implies that scavenged parts can be used for the “double point” final event.

  4. Paul (@frankjaeger) said on 5th March 2014, 0:27

    It’s quite amazing how much Red Bulll are conceding in regards to their reliability woes. It’s either the greatest fake of all time, or complete utter despair; I’m guessing it’s the latter ; ) Looking at that Porsche and the technical nightmare F1/RBR is having, I bet Mark is rather pleased he called it quits

    Also pleased to see Jenson giving the nod :)

    • dennis (@dennis) said on 5th March 2014, 9:21

      The way it looks, seeing how much Toro Rosso, Lotus and partly even Caterham struggled, it’s a Renault problem, more than it is a Red Bull problem…

    • MattDS said on 5th March 2014, 9:36

      It’s either the greatest fake of all time, or complete utter despair

      Or it’s them being very realistic. I don’t think there’s despair, I would think they’re handling this like they have always handled matters: professional and calm, with elaborate schedules, plans and checklists to get up to speed as soon as possible.

      It’s not like they can deny they’re in trouble. It’s there for all to see. Admitting it doesn’t really change anything for us viewers. It just shows they’re not afraid to acknowledge this obvious truth.

  5. OOliver said on 5th March 2014, 0:35

    Russia – Ukraine, is way too complicated for many of us to understand.
    It looks bad on paper, but what is the reality. I don’t think it’s right for Gary’s suggestion to be followed just yet.
    Things are never always straight forward.

    • Irejag (@irejag) said on 5th March 2014, 1:29

      I agree with you wholeheartedly on your comment. Personally I believe that they rest of the world should go on without paying too much attention to Ukraine and Russia. I believe that each country needs to deal with their own problems in their own way and that the other countries should stay out of it. I know that may sound cold, but if the rest of the world had just Austria do what they wanted prior to WW1, millions of lives would have been spared… In other words, the Russia-Ukraine issue is just that, a Russia-Ukraine issue and there is no reason for F1 to avoid going to Sochi for a race.

      • BasCB (@bascb) said on 5th March 2014, 7:37

        Nice to say, but when you live in a country that is right next to Ukraine or next to Russia, and you have a relatively big Russian minority population, what are the chances Putin will feel like “protecting” those in a couple of months? Not something you easily ignore.
        That is why Poland asked NATO to step up and fulfill its commitment to protect it (same goes for Baltic states) @irejag

        • Sam (@) said on 5th March 2014, 10:08

          @bascb

          Biggest mistake by Poland ever. Should’ve asked UN not NATO.

          UN is the world

          NATO is the private army of the USA in Europe. Countries who have to do what the USA says because of enormous debts these countries have since WWII.

          • BasCB (@bascb) said on 5th March 2014, 13:02

            Sorry, but that is nonsense @ardenflo.
            NATO is an organisation who have promised to help each other in case of outside threats , with the USA being the biggest army involved. Poland, as a member state, used its right to ask Nato to prepare defending its territory, should Putin’s forces come any closer inside of its neighbour Ukraine, or even into Poland itself.

            WWII debt has nothing to do with it, although the US as biggest partner certainly does have the biggest say.

          • matt90 (@matt90) said on 5th March 2014, 19:30

            UN may represent the world, but saying it is the world makes it sound like they actually have power. They’ve surpassed themselves in their abilities to write recommendations and warnings, but I don’t see them adequately providing the same role as NATO.

        • Sam (@) said on 5th March 2014, 13:14

          @bascb, NATO is nothing more and never will be anything else than a USA disguised army to prevent Europe falling for the red danger being communism. That was in the 1950s and it always kept that as purpose. It is a simple allegiance based on militairy force. Russia was never invited even although they were among the saviors of the west during WWII. All the USA feared was a domino-effect of countries falling for the Soviet-Union.

          The huge amount of money France, UK, Belgium, etc owned the USA because of the Truman Doctrine were the ideal reason to lure countries into the NATO. Note how Greece and Turkey received aid from the USA bank to find themselves in the NATO two years later.

          The united nations on the other hand is an organisation meant to bring peace, equality and a sustainable world for all.

          • BasCB (@bascb) said on 6th March 2014, 6:37

            Russia was never invited because the NATO was established to protect the rest of Europe from Russia after how the Russians acted in the eastern half of Europe.
            Why would they invite the country they feel afraid of? Yes, the USA does supply a majority of troops and money and has the biggest say because of that. But its more of a burden on the US and a support of Europe than somehow hiding that the USA are the most powerful superpower (The USA has been looking at ways to lessen the burden on themselves in the last decade, as Asia grows more important to them).
            After WWII the Germans did not have to pay old debts and the Marshall help was mostly not in loans exactly to prevent a situation like indebted Germany after WWI. These countries WANTED to be in NATO because they feared that Russia would do exactly what it did now in Ukraine – invade them – not the other way round, the NATO was installed to protect them from an aggressive neighbour.
            The UN is incapable to act here, because Russia can Veto anything that goes against them. Its a nice ideal, but it just does not work here.

    • Toxic said on 5th March 2014, 3:39

      I hope you both are joking… If no it’s really sad and you can just as good go to Russian army and help them. Unfortunately there are too many politics just as you which don’t care about anything else than themselves.
      What Russia does is pure aggression on a country that is in a most unstable situation that can happen. They were fighting for freedom and in reward they are faced with possible war. I am not Ukrainian but know many people from there and you can trust me. From tears of joy they went straight to fear as no one knows what is on Putin’s mind in this conflict.
      F1 is a great sport but if the race will happen in Sochi, 2014 Japanese GP will be the last F1 race I will ever watch.

      • OOliver said on 5th March 2014, 6:16

        I don’t see how you can accuse me of taking sides. I simply said the situation is hard to understand by an outsider. We don’t know all the facts. Ukraine essentially didn’t have a government.
        Get your facts right, look at the entire picture, then if you see a need to act, do so, just don’t jump with blazing guns all because you saw something on TV and heard another person’s opinion

        • bosyber (@bosyber) said on 5th March 2014, 7:48

          But perhaps you could also see it like this: while you maybe are an outsider, and I am too, safely in the Netherlands, perhaps others here do indeed have ‘the’ facts’ to have a more targeted opinion.

          As @basCB says, for those fans either living in Ukraine, but also in the countries around Russia and Ukraine, like the Baltic states, or Poland, Slovakia, etc. who might well be on this site as fans of F1, it doesn’t feel very ‘outsider’ – that is part of the problem: will Russia let them remain ‘outside’. Hence Poland being very active inside NATO to be vigilant, for example.

      • Kimi4WDC said on 5th March 2014, 6:48

        Born in Ukraine. Lived in Siberia, then moved to Scandinavia.

        We used to go to Ukraine for summer holidays. As soon as Ukraine got it’s independence it was all down hill for common people – no matter of pro-Russian or pro-West governments. What you see now it’s not people fighting for their rights, it’s rich getting richer on expense of it’s citizens. Where do you think 1BN US loan guarantee will go? Swiss bank accounts.

        I’m sorry, but you have no idea what is actually at play there – if all you see is aggression. Look up couple things; Kiev – capital of Russia from the beginning of the Russian history. Crimea was given to Ukraine by Khruschev while leader of Com. Party.

        There is much connection between Russian and Ukrainian people and that they share 50% (voting) of that country does not make things more simple, specially when dirty politicians and interests from outside are involved. Democracy is a great tool here, who cares about what the other 49% thinks, right?

        • BasCB (@bascb) said on 5th March 2014, 7:40

          Indeed, what I see in Ukraine is more about people wanting to finally stop their “leaders” (Janukovic, Timosenkova did much the same, and those before them) stealing all that is worthwhile.

      • Maksutov (@maksutov) said on 5th March 2014, 6:53

        What Russia does is pure aggression

        And the US or the west doesn’t? Go there and tell the Russians that, see how it feels.

      • Rockie said on 5th March 2014, 22:54

        Like anyone would realise you are not watching? F1 would move on matey!

  6. Ciaran (@ciaran) said on 5th March 2014, 1:32

    Hartstein might be idealistically correct, but F1 risks dipping its feet into some seriously treacherous waters if it tried to take a political stance on Russia. The way I see it, any potential cancellation of the Grand Prix should only be looked at if it was thought that team personnel were in direct danger – much like Bahrain in 2011. If we were to start dropping countries from the F1 calendar because of inappropriate actions, where do we stop? China for their human rights abuses? Abu Dhabi for their migrant worker exploitation? The USA for whatever the NSA are getting up to this week? It’s a seriously slippery slope, and there’s far more risks than most people realise.

    • BasCB (@bascb) said on 5th March 2014, 7:42

      Instead we are going to ideal of democracy in Kazachstan. No, I think with Bahrain, AbuDhabi, Singapore, Sochi, Shanghai its rather the countries like Belgium, UK, Italy, Spain, Australia that are going to get dropped for giving too much fuss in organising a race in the near future.

    • fob said on 5th March 2014, 14:44

      I believe there are enough countrys in the world to get 20 races where non of the hosts are responsible for world war 3.

  7. Irejag (@irejag) said on 5th March 2014, 1:33

    Looks like F1 is going to have their way. They implemented new rules to end Red Bull dominance and that is exactly what they are going accomplish. I love F1, but they are making the sport far too artificial. I definitely feel that closer racing is more exciting, but the other teams should have caught up on their own without help from major rule changes.

    • Ciaran (@ciaran) said on 5th March 2014, 1:34

      @irejag These new engine regulations have been in the pipeline for years, they weren’t created to unseat Red Bull. And since when is reshuffling the tech regulations “artificial”?

    • Banburyhammer (@banburyhammer) said on 5th March 2014, 1:37

      I think the rules needed refreshing. The engine formula was utterly archaic and consigning the sport to irrelavance for manufacturers, with the Endurance prototypes picking up all that slack. Without changing, F1 would no way have survived in its current guise.

  8. Chris (@tophercheese21) said on 5th March 2014, 1:48

    Those shutter speed images are incredible. Hello new desktop background…

  9. Minardi (@gitanes) said on 5th March 2014, 2:16

    I have to think Red Bull will be planning their entire strategy in Melbourne towards maximizing the possibility of finishing. So I guess they will run all day on Friday to learn as much as possible on the track and then pull it back to next to nothing in qualifying, starting from the pitlane, and driving over-conservatively. It will be the first time since 2008 that they know the pace will not be there.

  10. schooner (@schooner) said on 5th March 2014, 2:22

    Have any of the UK betting houses laid down odds on particular teams (I’m mostly thinking Red Bull here) actually finishing the race in Melbourne?

    • mantresx (@mantresx) said on 5th March 2014, 3:40

      All I’ve seen so far is podium and win, I certainly wouldn’t like to predict the odds of the number of finishers.
      when the time comes I’ll go for the lowest number possible, with something extra for the Lotus and Red Bull guys hehe

    • SamH123 said on 5th March 2014, 16:06

      Ladbrokes have
      You can get 3.25 (9/4) when I last looked on Vettel NOT finishing the race
      about 2.2 (6/5) on the Lotus not finishing the race and 4 (3/1) on Merc not finishing the race

      I think Vettel might be a good bet

  11. Chad (@chaddy) said on 5th March 2014, 2:55

    The Will Buxton article is fantastic. I’m excited!

    • HoHum (@hohum) said on 5th March 2014, 4:33

      Yes I’m looking forward to seeing the cars squirm as the torque un-grips the rear wheels, and quite honestly if only the Mercedes powered cars are competitive it should still be a great series of races, but I fully expect Ferrari to be there or thereabouts and the Renault teams will get there eventually, possibly even earlier than anyone expects.

    • bull mello (@bullmello) said on 5th March 2014, 5:21

      Agreed, great article and I share the optimism. This season will make history for the engine builders and teams that get it right. So far it only seems clear who has not got it right, yet. Can’t wait for the season to begin and to see who is left standing when the new cars are driven in anger for a full race.

      This isn’t even about Red Bull or Vettel, for me. A major shake-up is good for the stale, somewhat repetitive results, no matter who was on top.

      Wheel spin through 5th gear? This could be even better than I was hoping for. I’m grinning now. :-)

    • joc_the_man said on 5th March 2014, 20:59

      Well, credit to mr buxton to his well written article. I note also the excitement by some in this forum. I agree on the need for less predictability…HOWEVER
      …before we get tooo excited – let’s introduce some joc_the_man reality check really directed to the FIA people:
      i) Why take away the loud noise as that has been one of the magics ALL have loved? Higher rev would easily worked.
      ii) Why the efficiency crazyness where eco-drive and 100kg fuel will lead to drivers lifting off rather to pushing it to the limit? You have formula E for the prius people.
      iii) Why the silly looks, COME ON – not sooo difficult to predict.
      iv) Why letting tyre mgmt be the skill to have rather than race to the limit? (Yes, note that I am still a Kimi fan)
      v) Why tyre blanket ban?
      vi) Why are team & driver hazzle and potentially many many DNF’s good things?
      vii) double point rule…COME ON bernie…
      viii) Why less HP… I yawn to the torque argument?
      ix) why is merc dominance better than RBR or Brawn or Ferrari ditto?
      Change is generally good but WHY take away the magic? Why does the FIA heads hide in their ivory towers and not taking part of the debate?
      I am not excited, not at all. The magic is lost. Sad times.

  12. Mr_Peabody said on 5th March 2014, 4:01

    Marko: “This is a very serious matter.”

    Translation: “Now both cars are like the ones we gave Webber.”

  13. sumedh said on 5th March 2014, 4:43

    Am I the only one who thinks Mark Webber’s hybrid Porsche is worse looking than the Caterham too..

  14. Pennyroyal tea (@peartree) said on 5th March 2014, 4:53

    I’m sure that by the deadline Renault has been able to mend it’s turbo but their new formula is completely untested and if you are aware that your dyno is not reliable the new fix may end up being a disaster, apart from that they have to rack up miles on the new turbos, and calculating the kind of mileage you can get in GP, Renault is certain to take 4 GP’s to reach the level they want and that is exactly why Helmut Marko is saying 2 months, but as I mentioned there is an unknown and that is if this time, Renault dyno has indeed resulted in what Renault wants.

  15. GeeMac (@geemac) said on 5th March 2014, 5:12

    A week ago I was of the view that Red Bull where just talking down their chances, lowering everyone’s expectations, allowing others to take the limelight while they set about their testing duties and that they would turn up in Melbourne and be competitive. Not quickest, but there abouts. But now, I think they are in real trouble. The messages coming from all corners consistently indicate that this is a serious situation. I still think there is a bit of hyperbole going on, but at this stage I don’t see them getting near a podium until the start of the European season.

    Now that I have said that, Vettel will probably Grand Chelem the first GP for his tenth win in a row. ;)

    • WilliamB (@william-brierty) said on 5th March 2014, 9:12

      @geemac – Red Bull aren’t capable of finishing the Australian GP let alone winning it. This past month I’ve been observing the testing with a raised eyebrow, but, I agree, I too am beginning to think Red Bull are genuinely in trouble. Owing to the fact that they were a second a lap faster than anyone else in the last phase of 2013, can we now summarize that 2014 is almost a sacrificial year for Red Bull?

      • MattDS said on 5th March 2014, 9:39

        can we now summarize that 2014 is almost a sacrificial year for Red Bull

        I think it will end up that way. For sure they’ll try to make up for lost ground and still be competitive later in the year, but I expect it will be too late for WDC or WCC.
        2014 would then probably be a year in which they get to the bottom of the problems, get a thorough understanding of the complex new PU’s, and prepare for a full attack on 2015.

      • GeeMac (@geemac) said on 5th March 2014, 10:06

        “can we now summarize that 2014 is almost a sacrificial year for Red Bull?”

        I tend to agree with that.

      • Sri Harsha (@harsha) said on 5th March 2014, 14:26

        I agree with that but i just don’t want RBR to focus completely on 2015. It will be scarier than what other teams did now. Just imagine Renault will fix all the issues by 2015 any way and RBR for sure rack up some wins thanks to their SV in 2014. But what they has is no pressure situation for 2014 which allows them to work on 15 car and making it as a World beater again. RBR wont care where they finished in WCC unless its P1 as they have loads of money to flow from DIDI.
        So all i want is RBR and Renault to work on 14 car than 15 car in 2014 which alteast hold up them for beginning of the season.

        • Jason (@jason12) said on 7th March 2014, 17:53

          @harsha
          I don’t share those worries, as Newey’s strength (Aero) has been neutralised.

          • Sri Harsha (@harsha) said on 8th March 2014, 6:05

            Sorry to say this but If you think so get ready to disappointed mate
            Aero- Dynamics never get neutralized in Racing over time. Its almost impossible, Designers will find aero benefits from any where
            It may look like an Engine formula for a while but im sure it will be altered to Aero formula very soon

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