Retirements needed for points in Australia – Vettel

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Sebastian Vettel, Red Bull, Bahrain, 2014In the round-up: Sebastian Vettel says Red Bull will need some luck just to score points in Australia.


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Sebastian Vettel predicts Red Bull debacle in Melbourne (The Age)

“If half the drivers fail to finish, then maybe we could take a few points.”

Red Bull two months behind – Marko (ESPN)

Helmut Marko: “The opening race comes at least two months too early for us. This is a very serious matter. At the moment we do not know in what time frame it will be possible to catch up, or if it is possible at all.”

Grosjean: It’s far from ideal (Sky)

“Honestly, I’m not happy tonight. It’s far from ideal, we didn’t do a third of what we wanted to, but what can you do?”

Vijay Mallya Q&A (F1)

“Q: So what are your expectations for the first four flyaway races? Are you looking to cash in in on any engine advantage?
VM: The first four races present a great opportunity, particularly for the Mercedes-powered teams, because so far they are showing that they are ahead of the rest. But in the end it will be all about – here comes the word again – reliability.”

Kvyat relieved by STR improvement (Autosport)

“When we didn’t have so many reliability problems we did some important tests on the chassis side. As soon as we saw the car was running nicely we had to get something done.”

Bomb at Bahrain protest kills three policemen (Al Jazeera)

“Three policemen have been killed by a remotely detonated bomb in Bahrain during a protest in a village west of the capital Manama, the Interior Ministry has said, in one of the worst incidents of violence in recent months.”

A new position at Ferrari (Joe Saward)

“Ferrari has had a slight switch around in its management in recent days with the appointment of Antonello Coletta as the new sporting activities director.”

Daniil Kvyat drives the Toro Rosso STR9 in the wet at Misano (F1 Fanatic via YouTube)

So what do we know? (The Buxton Blog)

“From what I understand from a high level independent source after testing had finished, the reality could be even more astonishing. If the data adds up as he believes and the factory Mercedes team was able to run their cars at 100%, right now they would win every Grand Prix not by a few seconds but by two clear laps.”

Shutter Speeding (Red Bull)

“Monaco is incredible for pictures, because of the backdrop and because of how close you can get, whereas Silverstone is dreadful because the vantage points just aren’t that great.”



Porsche 919 Hybrid, Geneva Motor Show, 2014

Porsche formally revealed their 919 Hybrid LMP1 contender, which will compete in this year’s World Endurance Championship including the Le Mans 24 Hours, at the Geneva Motor Show yesterday. Mark Webber will drive the car along with Timo Bernhard, Romain Dumas, Brendon Hartley, Neel Jani and Marc Lieb.

More pictures of the car here:

Comment of the day

Spencer White reckons there’s been too much criticism of Sauber’s driver line-up:

Sutil is a very strong midfield driver who will get consistent points finishes if provided with a good car.

Gutierrez will do the same job as Sutil and he is on a learning curve, so it won’t be long before he gets a few more points.
Spencer White (@Jojobudgie)

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On this day in F1

1994 F1 seasonJordan’s preparations for the 1994 season suffered a setback 20 years ago today.

Eddie Irvine was fortunate to escape injury when he crashed at over 100mph while testing at Magny-Cours in France, though he wrote off the first example of the team’s 194 chassis.

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111 comments on Retirements needed for points in Australia – Vettel

  1. Pennyroyal tea (@peartree) said on 5th March 2014, 5:21

    LeMans keeps the joke alive. LeMans is not like the WRC when citroen and Loeb were just simply the best for 10 years reagardless of the citroen backing, they won on fairly equal rights but even they faced the prospect of fighting against a manufacturer that wants to rule rather than race. The “24h du Mans” event is paid, sponsored, provided, published, and dare I say narrated by the volkswagen group, in their aggressive racing/marketing strategy they have dominated the dakar now the wrc and for more than a decade LeMans. Their aim is to be the top car maker by 2018, and according to them they are ahead of schedule. Whilst I like their cars especially the VW’s, their strategy bothers me. This year they bring back Porsche but unfortunately it’s not reallyPorsche, its just as they often expressed they want to be victorious over other manufacturer, Citroen/Peugeot group acknowledge they had no way to beat them so they left something that VW didn’t want, Toyota came in but as usual the Japanese play fair. Toyota’s racing division made use of their F1 program remnants and they build a car aimed at the rules the ACO had written but seeing that Toyota were able to produce more megajoules than Audi , the ACO rewrote the rules back limiting the discharge to half! Toyota has since threatened to wane their efforts in LeMans but Audi has now taken another leap, they have fabricated their opposition, with Porsche which isn’t really more than Audi in disguise. In the end bringing Porsche is a very good idea racing in prototype in LeMans is the stage for higher end brands such as Audi and Porsche and I’m sure it will prove fruitful for marketing.

    • bosyber (@bosyber) said on 5th March 2014, 7:55

      Being an optimist, I will keep thinking it won’t play out that way @peartree, we could hope at least Porche and Audi then end up fighting each other for a bit :)

    • GeeMac (@geemac) said on 5th March 2014, 8:50

      I think Porsche and Audi will fight each other, I’m sure VAG wouldn’t mind Audi being beaten by another group company, but they would mind getting beaten by Toyota.

    • Dave (@raceprouk) said on 5th March 2014, 11:24

      Toyota came in but as usual the Japanese play fair

      Forgetting the GT-One, I see.

      And do you really think a French organising body is going to let a German company dictate what they do? Hell, half the time the French don’t even let the French dictate what they do!

      • @raceprouk you are right but have they succeeded? and @geemac I was talking about meaningless fighting. @gt-racer I read all the things you’re saying too about the Porsche project but as you can see the car is a carbon copy of the Audi, and as I pointed out they have been the best but they have written the rules, as is vw on WRC! VW Audi blah blah group owns 51% nuff said.

        • Dave (@raceprouk) said on 5th March 2014, 16:37

          @raceprouk you are right but have they succeeded?

          Irrelevant – they exploited a loophole in the rules to gain an unfair advantage.

          And if you’re going to continue with this conspiracy theory that the Volkswagen Group (not VAG @geemac – sorry to spoil the joke ;)) is writing the regulations, maybe you’d like to offer some actual evidence? Oh, you don’t have any.

          One last point: Porsche’s 919 programme was announced 11 June 2012.
          VW bought Porsche outright 1 August 2012.
          That’s right – the 919 programme was started before VW gained majority shareholding.

          • anon said on 5th March 2014, 17:40

            There are instances where the ACO’s regulation changes do seem to have been favourable to Audi though, enough so for people to suspect that the ACO is somewhat biased towards Audi.

            One example would be the regulation changes for the 2006 season – in late 2005, Audi admitted that the R10 would be over the 900kg minimum weight limit, whilst rumours persisted that Audi’s turbodiesel engine was not producing as much power as the old engine in the R8 did.
            Suddenly, in December 2005 the ACO announced that the minimum weight limit of all LMP1 cars would be increased by 25kg, a move that Audi publicly admitted helped them out during the early part of the season, and that the air restrictor of turbodiesel engines would also be slightly enlarged. In fact, Audi was the sole beneficiary of those regulation changes, a move that had some wondering whether that was purely coincidental…

            As to the question of the level of co-operation between Audi and Porsche, Ulrich Baretzky, the head of Audi’s racing division, has also publicly stated that whilst there has not been any official transfer of knowledge between the two outfits, that “there may have been some unofficial exchanges of information” between Audi and Porsche during development of the 919.

            gt-racer, the reason why Porsche doesn’t use Audi’s wind tunnel is because Audi outsources their wind tunnel work – traditionally Dallara have carried out both the aero development work and the construction of Audi’s chassis, although recently Audi have started to outsource some of the aero development work to Sauber in more recent years.
            Even if they wanted to, there is no wind tunnel for them to share – in fact, a good chunk of Audi’s cars are actually developed out of house rather than by Audi, leaving nothing to share.

            As for customers, it is perhaps telling that, in recent years, the ACO has asked the manufacturers whether or not they would consider selling hybrid systems to the privateer teams. Toyota have publicly said that they are prepared to sell their system, but are currently struggling to bring the cost of their system down to an affordable level – Audi, by contrast, have so far publicly dismissed the notion of selling their energy recovery system.

        • GT Racer (@gt-racer) said on 5th March 2014, 17:34

          as you can see the car is a carbon copy of the Audi,

          No it isn’t there are some big differences between them.

          The Audi has a lower nose, Smaller/Lower front wings, The Audi’s sidepods are lower & a bit more streamlined with lower door openings.

          The aero flip ups, vents, air-intakes etc… are also totally different on the 2 cars as is the shape of the front splitters, Number of flip-ups of the nose & the interior design/shape/layout.

          When you look at them side by side the differences are obvious & the 2 cars look nothing alike.

          • Baron (@baron) said on 5th March 2014, 18:57

            That plus Audi is 3.7 litre v6 diesel hybrid, whilst Porsche 919 is 2.2 litre V4 gasoline hybrid, so not very similar at all, let alone identical’

    • GT Racer (@gt-racer) said on 5th March 2014, 15:21

      The Porsche & Audi Le Mans efforts are completely separate operations. Its not Audi or VWG ‘fabricating’ there opponents, The Porsche board have been planning a return to Le Mans for nearly a decade.

      There is zero data sharing between Audi & Porsche to the point where Porsche designed there own simulator & did there own circuit laser scanning for that simulator. They have designed there own CFD systems & are using there own wind tunnels. They have access to none of the Audi data & Audi have access to none of the Porsche data.

      There’s nothing stopping any other manufacturer coming in & trying to beat Audi, Peugeot came in & managed to race/beat Audi at Le Mans put withdrew due to the financial crisis hitting them hard.

      Audi have earned all the success they have had in Sportscar racing, They put together a great team & ran that factory team nearly perfectly. With the R8 they gave there cars to customer teams & gave them the sort of customer support that Porsche were famous for when they were dominating Sportscar racing through the 80s.
      They came in with a Diesel engine which was something nobody thought would ever work & they made it work.

      I’ve seen a lot of people complain that Audi have ‘brought’ there success. Well if by that you mean they have brought it by spending a fortune on R&D & daring to spend cash on looking into & developing new ideas then I guess you could say they have ‘brought’ there success.
      But that ignores the fact that they have done nothing which others havn’t done before them & what any other big manufacturer could also do.
      That have done nothing but spend there budget wisely, Spend it on the important areas of car/engine development & most importantly manage there spending in such a way that nothing is ever wasted.

      Audi’s success has come primarily because its the most efficiently run team out there. You can have the biggest budget in the world yet run the team in an inefficient way & you get no success, Just look at the BAR, Jaguar & Toyota F1 teams, Big Budgets yet poorly run.

  2. kpcart said on 5th March 2014, 6:23

    Webber was a top driver up there with hamilton and rosberg. Vettel was just better then them.

  3. kpcart said on 5th March 2014, 6:24

    I sincerely hope it rains in melbourne, i dont walk to see walk it.

  4. sumedh said on 5th March 2014, 7:04

    So looks like Renault-powered cars will be the new Caterhams and Marussias. This is how Qualifying in Melbourne will go :

    Caterham, Toro Rosso, Daniel Ricciardo and Grosjean will be eliminated in Q1 of Melbourne.

    Vettel and Maldonado will scrape through to Q2 but will be fighting with Marussias and Sauber for positions 11 to 16 on the grid.

    And the teams in Q3 will be the 4 Mercedes powered teams and Ferrari.

  5. quads said on 5th March 2014, 7:48

    People forget that RB never used to show its hand until the real deal starts. They always show low profile in pre season testing. Even at the GPs, they seldom showed their true pace until qualy, when they more often than not blew away the “opposition”.
    If I remember correctly, Ferrari was the team that had set several fastest times and had the longest distance covered in the pre season testing in 2012. Still they were ~1.5 sec down per lap in raw speed come AUS.
    So, I believe NOTHING that RB personell say publically about this, zero. Yes, I see that they have reliability problems due to (1) engine and (2) cooling/packaging. None of those say anything about what the row speed of the car will be, when Renault fixes the power train and Newey repackages. As far as I am concerned, they could be on the podium in AUS, with a finger pointing at the camera – and people then go crazy admiring them for making “a miracle”…

    • GeeMac (@geemac) said on 5th March 2014, 9:00

      “…when Renault fixes the power train and Newey repackages…”

      It’s not as simple as you seem to think it is. If you read the interview with Renault Keith linked into the round-up yesterday you will see that even the smallest issues lead to major problems. Renault are miles off, which means RBR are miles off. If this was the V8 era I’d agree that RBR would still be in with a shout, but in this brave new world, they are miles off.

    • San said on 5th March 2014, 9:38

      That’s a nice theory, but we’re not talking about a time that quietly did its laps and tested its cars at a deceptively low speed.
      We’re talking massive breakdowns almost every time they tried to run the car, days and days of almost no running, and spending the first half of the tests just trying to stop the car from catching fire. We’re talking about a team who hasn’t managed to do a race sim in three tests, a team which hasn’t even managed to do HALF a race distance. The problems RB has are very real indeed.

      I don’t doubt the ability of Red Bull to fix these problems but they are nowhere close to where they wanted to be. They will not be ready in time for Australia.

  6. Diego (@ironcito) said on 5th March 2014, 8:17

    In Silverstone 2013, nobody cared that Rosberg took the lead. They were cheering at Vettel’s retirement, particularly the fans close to him, making the finger gesture at him, and such. Look up videos on YouTube and you’ll see. I thought it was mean and unsportsmanlike.

  7. Sam (@) said on 5th March 2014, 9:58

    I’m very sorry for Vettel. I already feel as this season will be used to completely break him down to an average driver in the minds of the simple F1 fan. They will not accept the RB10 is not a RB9 or RB7. They will judge Vettel on this season and he will not be judged with mercy.

    If he does not win races by mid-season people will see his four titles as a product of a car rather than his driving. Which of course would be a real shame.

  8. karter22 (@karter22) said on 5th March 2014, 10:43

    I find it funny that nobody has said anything because of Vettel´s “wishfull” thinking… When Alonso said it last time… all hell broke loose!! Double standards??
    Anways… It´s nice to know that there might be some racing actually going on on the sharp end but it seems it´s going to be pretty much one-sided again… I really hope, for the show´s sake, that Ferrari kept a little extra hidden at these tests!

    • Sir OBE said on 5th March 2014, 14:10

      I said the same thing last night, about Vettel’s comment, even though I was of course only joking, since he is only pointing out the lack of speed of his car, but my comment is now deleted. Go figure.

      • evered7 (@evered7) said on 8th March 2014, 1:55

        I was searching for that comment. Thank goodness that you told me it was deleted. I thought of having my eyes checked :)

        Vettel and RB will have all the world’s eyes on them, only this time of a different reason. Good luck to thm.

  9. timi (@timi) said on 5th March 2014, 10:44

    Loving the F1-inspired Porsche bonnet!!

  10. Yesterday Mr OBE published an interesting comment about how Vettel’s words were similar to the ones said by Alonso last year.
    Let me agree with some of his facts, and disagree with others.
    I agree a parallel can be drawn between both Alonso 2013 and Vettel 2014 opinions.
    I disagree with the content of it. While Alonso specifically said “I need Vettel to retire”, Vettel says “The only way to get points is if a bunch of drivers (anybody) retires. Retirements are quite a normal problem, especally this year it looks as if it’s going to be common.

    PS: IMHO, Mr OBE didn’t attack me with his words, so please, to whom it may concern, stop vanishing well stated opinions.

    • @karter22 Look at this comment please. What OBE said was well expressed. Why was it M0d3r@t3d? No idea.

      • karter22 (@karter22) said on 6th March 2014, 4:58


        I agree a parallel can be drawn between both Alonso 2013 and Vettel 2014 opinions.
        I disagree with the content of it. While Alonso specifically said “I need Vettel to retire”, Vettel says “The only way to get points is if a bunch of drivers (anybody) retires.

        Well, is it any less bad to want anbody to retire in order to add points than just to single out anybody? The way I remember, the opinions about ALO stating that was that it was “sad” that he actually said it and so now I also believe that it is even sadder for Vettel to say it since when ALO said it, he was fighting for the WDC. Vettel hasn´t even started the season and he wants everybody out just to add points! He might just be stating the obvious facts that his car is suffering but it´s still sad! See what I mean? I´m just trying to make the point of double standards. To be honest, it does not surprise me that sir obe´s comment got moderated, it tends to happen quite often when mud-slinging heads herr Vettel´s way. That is why I now limit my opinions and just read on.
        I for one hate the fact that he isn´t going to fight till Renault get their act together but, at least now, we will see what ALO stated by saying that Sebastian has never been in a car that is ready to be 5th or 8th. It´ll be interesting and see what he can actually do.
        I just thought of one thing…. Could you imagine if ALO would have switched over to RBR!!! He would´ve been in the same boat as Crashtor!! hahahaahhahaaha

        Just for reference:

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