Who will win the battle of the team mates in 2014?

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Almost every driver on the grid has a new team mate to measure himself against this year.

Which driver will come out on top at each team? Cast your vote below.

Red Bull: Sebastian Vettel vs Daniel Ricciardo

Daniel Ricciardo, Red Bull, Bahrain, 2014After five years alongisde Mark Webber, during which time he comfortably had the beating of his team mate, Vettel is now sharing his team with another Australian.

Ricciardo is only the second Red Bull development driver to be promoted to their ‘A’ team since Vettel himself, so this will make for a barometer of the team’s talent-spotting abilities.

But the four-times champion will surely be expected to hold the upper hand over the newcomer.

Which Red Bull driver will finish ahead in the championship?

  • Sebastian Vettel (91%)
  • Daniel Ricciardo (9%)

Total Voters: 737

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Mercedes: Lewis Hamilton vs Nico Rosberg

Nico Rosberg, Mercedes, Bahrain, 2014One of only two unchanged driver pairings in the field this year. There wasn’t much to choose between them last year: Rosberg won two races to Hamilton’s one, though Hamilton scored more points.

Hamilton’s ultimate one-lap pace is a lot to deal with but Rosberg has the opportunity to turn the ever-increasing complexity of F1 races to his advantage.

Given Mercedes’ testing performance there could be a world championship riding on the outcome of this contest.

Which Mercedes driver will finish ahead in the championship?

  • Lewis Hamilton (56%)
  • Nico Rosberg (44%)

Total Voters: 740

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Ferrari: Fernando Alonso vs Kimi Raikkonen

Kimi Raikkonen, Ferrari, Bahrain, 2014Ferrari’s strongest and most exciting driver line-up since Alain Prost and Nigel Mansell faced off against each other in 1990.

The dynamics of this contest are fascinating, and not just because it pits two world championships against each other at a team which has historically avoided having what its president refers to as “two roosters in the same hen house”.

Ferrari has been Alonso’s team since he arrived in 2010, but the re-hiring of the same driver he was brought in to replace sends a clear message about his position.

Which Ferrari driver will finish ahead in the championship?

  • Fernando Alonso (62%)
  • Kimi Raikkonen (38%)

Total Voters: 739

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Lotus: Romain Grosjean vs Pastor Maldonado

Pastor Maldonado, Lotus, Bahrain, 2014Two drivers who have reputations for being quick but somewhat reckless. Grosjean seriously raised his game in the second half of last year with some superb drives.

Maldonado, meanwhile, already has his first win under his belt but didn’t seem to offer anything constructive at the struggling Williams team last year. It would be wrong to see his PDVSA funding as the only reason he’s joined Lotus, but more promising and less well-heeled drivers were passed over for him.

Which Lotus driver will finish ahead in the championship?

  • Romain Grosjean (95%)
  • Pastor Maldonado (5%)

Total Voters: 735

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McLaren: Jenson Button vs Kevin Magnussen

Kevin Magnussen, McLaren, Jerez, 2014McLaren’s decision to drop Sergio Perez after a single season was one of the biggest surprises of last year’s ‘silly season’.

It would be too much to expect Magnussen, who steps up from Formula Renault 3.5, to get on terms with world champion Button in his first season. But wasn’t the same also said about Hamilton and Alonso the last time McLaren put a rookie in one of their cars?

Which McLaren driver will finish ahead in the championship?

  • Jenson Button (63%)
  • Kevin Magnussen (37%)

Total Voters: 737

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Force India: Nico Hulkenberg vs Sergio Perez

Nico Hulkenberg, Force India, Bahrain, 2014Perez will need to produce more of the kind of performances that made him stand out at Sauber in 2012 as he goes up against the highly-rated Hulkenberg, whom many believe is overdue a chance in a front-running car.

Which Force India driver will finish ahead in the championship?

  • Nico Hulkenberg (89%)
  • Sergio Perez (11%)

Total Voters: 737

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Sauber: Esteban Gutierrez vs Adrian Sutil

Adrian Sutil, Sauber, Bahrain, 2014Both these drivers both lost out to their team mates last year: Gutierrez was comprehensively routed by Hulkenberg while Sutil was somewhat closer to Paul di Resta.

Which Sauber driver will finish ahead in the championship?

  • Esteban Gutierrez (22%)
  • Adrian Sutil (78%)

Total Voters: 725

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Toro Rosso: Jean-Eric Vergne vs Daniil Kvyat

Daniil Kvyat, Toro Rosso, Bahrain, 2014Vergne has put a brave face on being passed over for the Red Bull seat for Ricciardo. Now his role is to be the benchmark for GP3 champion Kvyat.

Which Toro Rosso driver will finish ahead in the championship?

  • Jean-Eric Vergne (71%)
  • Daniil Kvyat (29%)

Total Voters: 723

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Williams: Valtteri Bottas vs Felipe Massa

Felipe Massa, Williams, Jerez, 2014A fascinating pairing of old hand with a sophomore driver considered a future star by some.

Given how emphatically Alonso beat Massa during their time as team mates, it won’t escape attention if Bottas can do the same. Having been part of the Williams family for several years, he has a sporting chance.

Which Williams driver will finish ahead in the championship?

  • Valtteri Bottas (42%)
  • Felipe Massa (58%)

Total Voters: 732

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Marussia: Jules Bianchi vs Max Chilton

Jules Bianchi, Marussia, Bahrain, 2014The other unchanged driver pairing from last year. Unlike Rosberg and Hamilton, it was a one-sided contest between these two last year, and it’s hard to imagine it ending any differently this time.

Which Marussia driver will finish ahead in the championship?

  • Jules Bianchi (94%)
  • Max Chilton (6%)

Total Voters: 726

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Caterham: Kamui Kobayashi vs Marcus Ericsson

Marcus Ericsson, Kamui Kobayashi, Caterham, Bahrain, 2014Ericsson’s GP2 record may be somewhat underwhelming but it’s no worse than that of Kobayashi, who never achieved the kind of success in the main series which he enjoyed in GP2 Asia.

Kobayashi has much more F1 experience, of course, and you’d expect that to tell over the course of a season, but he should prove a fair benchmark for Sweden’s new F1 driver.

Which Caterham driver will finish ahead in the championship?

  • Kamui Kobayashi (93%)
  • Marcus Ericsson (7%)

Total Voters: 726

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196 comments on Who will win the battle of the team mates in 2014?

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  1. Sam (@) said on 8th March 2014, 12:20

    Some surprising results to me. Only 8 voters though.

    • Sam (@) said on 8th March 2014, 12:24

      Now we’re getting there.

      I think they are all straight forward except Ferrari and Mercedes. I’m pretty sure that Ferrari will see Alonso as number one. Only the Mercedes one allows some doubt.

      • Palle (@palle) said on 8th March 2014, 19:39

        When You look at Mercedes F1’s website, You get the impression that they internally believes mostly in Hamilton. However much I respect Hamiltons race craft, I don’t consider him to be as smart – as in IQ – as Rosberg, and with all the new rules, fuel saving, and changes, I think Rosberg will come out on top. Before anyone accuses me for being racist, I must emphasize that my view of a comparison of the IQ is based on the number of times, where Hamilton have made an ass of himself and the period, where he kept getting in too close contact with Massa. But maybe Rosberg is still too soft, too nice in the close battles. It will be interesting to follow.

        • US_Peter (@us_peter) said on 8th March 2014, 19:50

          I tend to agree with you. I think Rosberg has the capacity to be a bit more clever, which will be to his advantage this year. Famous driver coach Rob Wilson apparently thinks so as well. He also thinks Räikkönen will ultimately come out on top at Ferrari after Alonso exhausts every political angle within the team. I think he could be right on that as well. On track I’d imagine they’ll be fairly well matched in general. The difference will be that when Alonso comes out on top Räikkönen will shrug his shoulders and move on, but when Räikkönen comes out on top it will really ruffle Alonso’s feathers. This is where Räikkönen’s lack of emotion could really play to his advantage.

          • Zain Siddiqui (@powerslidepowerslide) said on 9th March 2014, 4:13

            I highly doubt Raikkonen lacks emotion. The “Iceman” is a persona that he puts on in the paddock. I’m sure he’s just as emotional as anybody else in his private life.

        • trublu (@trublu) said on 8th March 2014, 23:36

          And that’s what you judge IQ by? Skirmishes with Massa? None of that even proves that Rosberg is better than him or not. Your metrics are garbage. I find this so appalling. I can only imagine how bad it is within the sport.

          • maichael (@maichael) said on 9th March 2014, 11:54

            @trublu I think he also means Hamilton has shown to have poor judgement, like during the 2012 Belgian GP when he leaked sensitive team data on social media. That baffled a lot of people I’m pretty sure.

          • kpcart said on 9th March 2014, 15:46

            obviously it doesn’t “prove” but it roughly correlates.

        • Simon999 (@simon999) said on 9th March 2014, 10:53

          Not sure how much these rules will really favour ROS over HAM, when you start to break them down.

          The tyres are already known to be more durable, which should allow HAM to drive more in the way he wants to (the recent tyres have been a limiting factor for him, IMO). They might still not be ideal for him, but should be a step in the right direction.

          We have drivers saying this year’s cars are more of a “driver’s car”. Whilst I don’t know if that will definitely favour HAM over ROS, it’s very unlikely to work against him. His raw talent is up there with the very best.

          You could also say the same about the fact the drivers all have to re-learn how to drive the cars (turbos, ERS etc). HAM may not be as strategically minded as some of the others, but when it comes to getting the most out of a car to go fast, there are very few who could claim to be better.

          Therefore, the only real potential advantage ROS has will be over fuel restrictions / strategy. How big an advantage that might be (or whether it is one at all) remains to be seen, but I think it’s the only real ace he has.

          Given HAM beat ROS last year in both qualifying and points (albeit the latter was reasonably close) with a rule set that hasn’t suited him and a car not built for him, I think that overall things are more in favour of HAM this season.

        • Andrew (@avl0) said on 9th March 2014, 15:06

          I really think the fuel and rubber saving are being overplayed, if you’re fast you’re fast. I agree academically rosberg is smarter, both of them have said so themselves. Hamilton is not academic really and rosbergs backup if he didnt get into f1 was to study aerodynamics at imperial. But, and that’s a big but, I don’t think that really has anything much to do with racing smarts and certainly has nothing to do with a drivers pace.

          Ultimately it will probably be decided by reliability and who gets the best luck but those things being equal i think you’d have to bet on hamilton. He is starving for another championship, says he’s more comfortable in this car and was shown last year to be generally faster than nico.

        • kpcart said on 9th March 2014, 15:48

          thinking back to Malaysia last year… team orders, it tells me Hamilton is number 1 – as he is being paid more also, so the team wants results from him more then from rosberg.

        • matt90 (@matt90) said on 10th March 2014, 2:47

          Before anyone accuses me for being racist

          I don’t think anybody would have considered that until you brought it up.

      • JCost (@jcost) said on 8th March 2014, 22:44

        It amuses me to read things like this:

        Hamilton’s ultimate one-lap pace is a lot to deal with but Rosberg has the opportunity to turn the ever-increasing complexity of F1 races to his advantage.

        It’s like Lewis can’t deal with complexity, it’s “this close” from saying: “Lewis is fast, but not that bright”…

        • Max Jacobson (@vettel1) said on 9th March 2014, 19:46

          @jcost well, is it that inaccurate? Sebastian Vettel’s technical astuteness and work ethic is well documented. Hamilton’s…isn’t.

          • JCost (@jcost) said on 10th March 2014, 19:06

            @vettel1 I’m not talking about work ethics. I’m talking about people implying Lewis Hamilton could struggle to succeed in this new era due to cars being more complex. And the text actually is comparing Lewis to Nico Rosberg and not Vettel.

          • It was a comparison deliberately aimed at posing the extreme. Rosberg however I would still argue has a greater capacity for grasping with rule changes – Hamilton more often seems unspecific in his complaints over team radio and doesn’t seem to have the ability to work with his engineers to resolve them as well as other drivers.

          • Constantine said on 11th March 2014, 10:03

            @vettel1 That’s a huge assumption, dangerously so. He’ve had Hamilton had a couple of run-ins with his engineers, but they were minimal at best. Don’t look too much into them, and pass even less judgement based on them. They are pretty much meaningless.

    • Maciek (@maciek) said on 8th March 2014, 16:30

      Yes well 8 was a rather small sample : P

    • Andrew (@avl0) said on 9th March 2014, 15:19

      I think everyone is going to be surprised by how well ricciardo does, he’s quite an unknown quantity right now and he may well come in and do a hamilton. He’s a fast qualifier which is going to be needed against vettel and although he smiles a lot it’s a sharks grin, he’s a killer.

    • AdamRHolt (@adamrholt) said on 9th March 2014, 19:47

      Hamilton isn’t as an intelligent a driver as some, it’s been shown time and again with his pounding around on new tyres during races. If he doesn’t learnt to adapt this year, he will be trounced by Rosberg.

      I’m a massive Hamilton fan, but this new era of F1 requires brains as well as pace, I think Rosberg has both, unfortunately!

  2. Would have liked a ‘Too close to call’ button, especially for Force India & Mercedes. But I think, it’s fully made on purpose so we get a full result.

    • Morty Vicar (@mortyvicar) said on 8th March 2014, 21:15

      This is F1. There is no room for prevarication, only decisiveness and action. Be like Ron…

    • The Abbinator (@abbinator) said on 8th March 2014, 23:41

      Some battles the point difference will be under 10% and the points loser may out qualify his team-mate which I would classify as a virtual tie. I think there are only 3 sure bets in Kobayashi, Bianchi and Grosjean. I expect some other upsets along the lines of Gutierrez, Bottas and maybe even Perez. The top two battles will be Ferrari and Merc where I’d bet for the underdog (Rosberg and Kimi.) Nico is more prudent than Hamilton and this May pay off in the end. As others have said, Alonso is much more emotional than Kimi so I’d go for the Iceman, so long as he’s not the Ice Cream man again. :)

  3. Lucas Wilson (@full-throttle-f1) said on 8th March 2014, 12:24

    Just waiting for Max Chilton to come on to vote for himself again

    • Sri Harsha (@harsha) said on 8th March 2014, 12:36

      already 3% of votes are there so he and his family are voted it seems :D

    • HiPn0tIc (@hipn0tic) said on 8th March 2014, 12:47

      The biggest surprise is at Marussia is Bianchi not having the 100%

      • Eggry (@eggry) said on 8th March 2014, 13:34

        if Chilton scores points in early races(due to reliability of course!) and Bianchi fail to finish, it would be very feasible.

        • BasCB (@bascb) said on 8th March 2014, 17:33

          Yes, that was a reason for me to hesitate on clearly voting forBianchi for a moment too. For the backmarkers its really a lot about finishing when others don’t and Chilton might get lucky with just cruizing around at the back @eggry, @hipn0tic

          • montreal95 (@montreal95) said on 8th March 2014, 22:40

            @bascb @eggry This is not a poll on who’ll score most points. It’s about who’ll beat their team-mate and in a car capable of scoring points only as a fluke it’s a meaningless stat. If JB will beat MC 15-4 in qualy and will be in front in most races as well but it’ll be 2-0 in points to Chilton that’ll be still a victory for Bianchi not chilton

          • KeeleyObsessed (@keeleyobsessed) said on 9th March 2014, 12:22

            @montreal95 The question posed is

            Which (insert team name here) driver will finish ahead in the championship?

            Therefore, as that’s the measure that the question is using, that’s the measure we must discuss. Some people believe in the underdog, and in this season, an underdog could well beat their team-mate even if the perceived gap is far larger than to be expected to be bridged in just 1 season.
            I voted Bianchi as I believe that over the course of the season, with the accumulated points/results from the 19 races, Bianchi will be ahead. I might be wrong, but we’ll only find out after Abu Dhabi…

          • montreal95 (@montreal95) said on 9th March 2014, 12:34

            @keeleyobsessed

            This is confusing. “Which driver will come out on top at each team?” Is the question asked in the beginning of the article. Then it’s asked “Which driver will finish ahead in the championship” To my understanding this is contradictory as the latter is sometimes not a reliable indicator of the former. A fluke result by someone like Chilton is a thing you cannot predict. And this is true also for midfield teams not just backmarkers especially with the expected lower reliability levels. For example Coulthard beat Webber 14-10 in points in 2007 at RBR. Yet no one in his right mind would argue Coulthard was the better RBR driver that season.

            You can only estimate who’s the better driver of the pair going to be this year, and so I voted based on the sentence at the beginning and not based on the question itself which I believe is poorly worded

  4. Strontium (@strontium) said on 8th March 2014, 12:37

    Sauber have the worst line-up of all of the teams. All the rest are pretty decent (although Toro Rosso is worst of the decent ones).

    Just my opinion though.

    • Sauber (@mumito) said on 8th March 2014, 16:15

      I guess that if you were running a F 1 team you would rather have Chilton-Ericsson. Or Kvyat-Maldonado.

      • Strontium (@strontium) said on 9th March 2014, 10:42

        No, but their team-mates make up for half of it. Remember that Guti has not shown much promise over the last year, and Sutil’s time has pretty much passed.

        Also, don’t count out Ericsson or Kvyat yet. We don’t know what they can do.

    • bull mello (@bullmello) said on 8th March 2014, 16:44

      Sauber disappointingly settled for mediocrity, at best. I voted for Gutierrez out of hope that he might be a late bloomer now ready to show his real talent this season. Well, it could happen. Certainly we have already seen the very mediocre best from Sutil.

    • Palle (@palle) said on 8th March 2014, 19:46

      Sauber was the team, where I simply didn’t know who to vote for – none of them deserves a seat in F1. And strange of Sauber, who has a history of being successful in introducing new talents. Why couldn’t they find anyone this year?

  5. Osvaldas31 (@osvaldas31) said on 8th March 2014, 12:37

    My opinion:

    Vettel
    Rosberg
    Alonso
    Grosjean
    Magnussen
    Hulkenberg
    Sutil
    Kvyat
    Bottas
    Bianchi
    Kobayashi

    • Strontium (@strontium) said on 8th March 2014, 12:38

      Agree with all apart from McLaren, Toro Rosso, and Williams

    • Paul (@frankjaeger) said on 8th March 2014, 18:38

      Magnussen will have to do something pretty spectacular to topple an experienced driver like button, especially in a season where it isn’t necessarily raw speed which gets points.

      I do rate Bottas but I think Massa has it in him to produce more, don’t get me wrong it will be close.

      I did vote Hamilton but I think that’s the closest one of the lot. Hamilton has raw speed but lacks consistency. Rosberg has better race craft and seems more logical.

      2014 is gonna be wicked!

      • Grosjean's smile (@testacorsa) said on 8th March 2014, 21:14

        Maybe a bit off topic, but regarding to be or not to be raw speed season:

        I simply don’t believe that fuel is going to be such a huge factor as expected, especially after a few races. Those engines will be mighty efficient, especially considering capacity, turbo, ERS systems, and the low engine revs. They are also limited heavily in fuel flow, so they can’t have silly 80´s black smoke fuel usage, and they are allowed to limit ignition one cylinder only, if they wanted to
        It is rumored that they used 160 kg fuel average last year, with semi blown defusers even, so 100 kg (min. 130 liters) of fuel from start line to finish line, without waste doesn’t sound low to my ears. If they should do that with a 2013 V8, they would be foobared, but a tiny 1,6 V6 – easy.
        They start with charged batteries too. They can pit on ERS (or am i wrong?).

        My bet is that they will be limited by reliability, then tires, then fuel, for the first races.
        Maybe I’m completely wrong, but I really want to see them push, so at least I hope I’m not.

        P.S. Magnussen is “not even kidding you” fast. That boy has more ice in his vanes than Kimi is supposed to have. Button is a clever lad though, and constantly reasonably fast, so it’s going to be fascinating to watch.

        2014 is going to be wicked indeed!
        – someone make it next weekend already!

    • JCost (@jcost) said on 8th March 2014, 22:47

      Mine:

      Vettel
      Hamilton
      Alonso
      Grosjean
      Magnussen
      Hulkenberg
      Sutil
      Kvyat
      Massa

      Bianchi
      Kobayashi

  6. Rigi (@rigi) said on 8th March 2014, 12:40

    intresting battles should be McLaren, Mercedes, Ferrari and Williams. gotta remember to check this thread when we’ve seen a few races.

  7. HiPn0tIc (@hipn0tic) said on 8th March 2014, 12:50

    IMO :

    Vettel, Rosberg, Alonso, Grosjean, Magnussen, Hulkenberg, Sutil, Kvyat, Massa, Bianchi and Kobayashi.

    • Bluetusk (@bluetusk) said on 8th March 2014, 20:16

      I’m pulling for Kvyat this season. There is something to him, like finding a rare piece of art at a yard sale. Remember Interlagos, Austin? He has become a quick study. I disagree on Hulkenberg, but voted the same

  8. RetardedF1sh (@retardedf1sh) said on 8th March 2014, 12:51

    I’m a bit surprised by the amount of support Massa has been getting. After all those Ferrari years as a number two driver, people still believe he can deliver, which is great. I hope to see both Massa and Bottas performing well this year. It should be an interesting battle.

    • bull mello (@bullmello) said on 8th March 2014, 16:39

      Same here, especially after all the previous Massa bad vibes while he was still with Ferrari. I think he will adapt and do a yeoman’s job for Williams, but Bottas will really get a chance to shine if the car is as good as expected. Anyone who could muster some decent performances out of the FW35 has my respect.

      Massa is one of the drivers to watch and see how he does with all that extra wheel-spin inducing torque. Mainly because he has already had a tendency to spin cars for not much apparent reason over the years. We shall see…

      • kpcart said on 9th March 2014, 15:50

        please tell us when he spun for not much apparent reason, you say he had a tendancy, but can you list the times he did it, and whether he did it more then any other driver?

    • kpcart said on 9th March 2014, 15:54

      if you are surprised why, please look back at 2006 to 2008, he beat 7 times champion Schumacher in the same car, he then beat Kimi Raikonnen in the same car. he then competed at the same level with Hamilton, when Hamilton was at his prime in his early f1 days. after that came Massa’s accident and being teamed with Alonso – so results changed. but he has proven to be a winner, so a new environment could do wonders, and not having to be a number 2 driver. he has already shown in testing a teaser of what might happen too.

      • RetardedF1sh (@retardedf1sh) said on 9th March 2014, 18:04

        First of all, he never beat Schumacher and he hasn’t been able to win a race in the same car his teammate won eleven and competed for the drivers’ title. I think he will do better at Williams than he did at ferrari, simply because he is not restricted to a number two driver status, but I don’t think he will ever get back to his pre-accident level.

  9. craig-o (@craig-o) said on 8th March 2014, 12:52

    I’ve gone for the following:

    Vettel Performed miracles in a Toro Rosso. Ricciardo has not.

    Hamilton Rosberg proved a good match for him last year but I feel Lewis is on the top of his game going into this season. It will be close, but more race winning experience should help Lewis here.

    Raikkonen Another one that will be incredibly close. I think they’re roughly even on race pace but Kimi seems to have a slight edge on qualifying pace. Also if Alonso struggles to cope with two roosters in the same team like 2007, then we will know what will happen. I don’t expect Kimi to bow down too easily.

    Grosjean Without EB at Lotus, they may struggle to tame Maldonado like they did Grosjean. Both were less error-prone last year but Grosjean showed some phenomenal speed at times, and consistently too. Maldonado will struggle to beat him.

    Magnussen If he is as good as McLaren say he is, he should narrowly beat Jenson. I’m expecting him to beat JB in the qualifying battle, but they will probably be closer in the races.

    Hulkenberg Hulkenberg beat Perez on points last year driving a worse car so I’m expecting him to beat Perez on points in the same car.

    Gutierrez I can’t see Sutil getting any better any time soon. Gutierrez however is young and showed some potential last year. It will depend on how crash-happy both of them are.

    Kvyat Taken a punt and said Kvyat. He looks really good, especially for his age. Vergne will need consistently strong qualifying performances if he is to last longer than one more season.

    Bottas This is one that will really be a stab in the dark to predict. Massa seems happy at Williams so I’m expecting and hoping he does well and thrives there. Bottas showed some awesome speed in what rain we had last year in a shocking car. Massa will have experience on his side but I think Bottas has the speed.

    Bianchi I expect the gap between him and Chilton to close further but Bianchi will be ahead. Will probably come down to some crazy race early on in the season though. Car looks good so will be nice to see what they can really do.

    Kobayashi I don’t really expect Ericsson to do much better than what Chilton done last season. Kobayashi was too good at Sauber to be dropped IMO but money talks. Should help Caterham score points, should they achieve that.

    • Sam (@) said on 8th March 2014, 13:03

      There is absolutley no way you can compare the STR Vettel had and the STR Ricciardo had. When Vettel was at STR they were even better than RB…

      • George (@george) said on 8th March 2014, 13:56

        Yeah, I’d say some of Ricciardo’s qualifying performances were pretty special too. Still, he has a lot to learn from Vettel, I expect it to be fairly one-sided.

      • David-A (@david-a) said on 8th March 2014, 14:08

        @ardenflo – Vettel finished 8th in the WDC, way above what the car should have achieved, DR was 14th, which was basically to be expected, while it was even Vergne who achieved the best race result (6th).

        • Mashiat (@) said on 8th March 2014, 15:45

          Yeah I agree. I think it will be similar to Kovalainen and Hamilton in McLaren. Lewis dominated him but 3 or 4 times in a season Heikki would beat him in Qualifying or the Race. Similar to that I think that with competitive machinery, Vettel will get several wins while Dan might get one over 2 seasons etc.

      • craig-o (@craig-o) said on 8th March 2014, 15:05

        @ardenflo When Vettel was at STR, the car was exactly the same as the Red Bull (bar the livery and the engines), and in 2008 he scored more points than Bourdais, Coulthard and Webber put together. Vettel definitely punched above his weight back then. While Ricciardo has, you could argue, better in qualifying than Vettel during his time at STR, his race pace, in my eyes, isn’t great. He hasn’t produced the giant-killing performances when it matters unlike Vettel.

        I also forgot to add that Vettel has experience in taking poles, wins, podiums and championships, which will probably matter when Red Bull get back on the pace, should they do that.

        • Sam (@) said on 8th March 2014, 15:08

          @craig-o Yes, I didn’t deny any of that. I don’t agree on the ‘same car’ part but that is for each his own I guess.

          I just said that argueing DR is worse than SV because he could not win in a STR is pointless because the STR Vettel had at his disposal was in relation to the rest of the field a much better car than the STR DR ever had.

          • craig-o (@craig-o) said on 8th March 2014, 15:14

            @ardenflo Even if you ignore the win that Vettel pulled out of the bag, he had some magnificent drives, notably at China (07), Monaco, Brazil and Belgium which were all rain-affected. He was running very well at Fuji in 07 too before the whole Lewis/Mark/Seb/Kids incident. I simply haven’t seen the same potential from Ricciardo, although he has good qualifying speed.

          • Sam (@) said on 8th March 2014, 15:18

            @craig-o YES! I’m saying exactly the same. Vettel is better than Ricciardo for sure.

            But you still cannot compare their STR periods with each other. If you expected DR to do the same sort of stuff in the STR of 2012/2013 Vettel did in 2008 you’d be a madman. Vettel drove very good in that 2008 STR, he deserves his spot at Red Bull. DR on the other hand only rarely showed strong but, again, that was also due to a simply below average STR.

        • Tifoso1989 (@tifoso1989) said on 8th March 2014, 15:53

          bar the livery and the engines

          The Ferrari 056 V8 was the Benchmark in 2006-2008 era before the Renault catch up

        • WilliamB (@william-brierty) said on 8th March 2014, 16:28

          @craig-o @ardenflo – What you are both forgetting, and as @tifoso1989 eludes to, Gerhard Berger negotiated the sale of the latest spec of Ferrari V8s prior to the European GP which gave STR, who had the mighty fine RB3 chassis, “four and a half tenths” (according to Webber) over their Renault engined sister team on high speed tracks, like Valencia, Spa, China, Fuji and, of course, Monza. And at the end of an aerodynamic era where the field spread is tight, that is massive, and took STR from the back half of the midfield right into the fight for the higher placings, as was proved by the staggering average Bourdais setting the fastest lap in Q1 at Spa and managing fourth on the grid in Monza.

          The car was good; something most people neglect to remember, and on that basis I actually found Hulkenberg’s midfield heroics, especially his near win in 2012, even more impressive.

          • Sam (@) said on 8th March 2014, 16:32

            @william-brierty We didn’t use the same words but we all mean the same thing in the end.

            Races driven in the 2008 STR cannot be compared to 2012 STR races. The performance of the car in relation to the field is nowhere near the same.

          • craig-o (@craig-o) said on 8th March 2014, 16:53

            @william-brierty @ardenflo @tifoso1989 The Renault engine was no slouch though. It won 8 races in 2006, and two more in 2008. If the Renault was not that good I assume teams like Red Bull simply wouldn’t have used them…

          • Sam (@) said on 8th March 2014, 16:54

            @craig-o Tell that Red Bull today. Hehe.

          • WilliamB (@william-brierty) said on 8th March 2014, 17:00

            @craig-o – The 2006 248 F1 Ferrari tended to have the advantage still at tracks with a higher maximum speed, suggesting an engine advantage, with Renault’s mass damper and better aerodynamic efficiency neutralizing its engine disadvantage at slower tracks.

          • craig-o (@craig-o) said on 8th March 2014, 17:00

            @ardenflo If RBR knew the Renault was going to backfire as much as it has (no pun intended) I’m sure they would have jumped ship if their contract with them allowed it and if Mercedes or Ferrari would supply them!

          • Sam (@) said on 8th March 2014, 17:02

            @craig-o I know. I just found it funny that you just mentioned it that way and it really applies this season with the Renault teams.

          • craig-o (@craig-o) said on 8th March 2014, 17:12

            @william-brierty Or maybe the Ferrari was just better suited to lower downforce circuits and the Renault to higher downforce circuits? There may have been a straight line speed advantage on the Ferrari which would help on faster circuits yes but the Renault even up to 2013 always seemed to deal well with traction and you could say reliability too. Yes the car has to be good to deliver results, and especially at Monza, it was very strong. But over the course of the season I still feel Vettel drove brilliantly to deliver some of the results that he did.

          • WilliamB (@william-brierty) said on 8th March 2014, 17:50

            @craig-o – Oh, my man, there’s no doubt Vettel was brilliant, just look the results he managed, however I am of the opinion that Hulkenberg had been even more impressive in the midfield than even Vettel was, taking genuinely average cars to the sharp end in typical Senna/Schumacher fashion. Hulkenberg was born to race cars, and I simply can’t wait for the epic Vettel vs Hulkenberg battles we have coming our way in future championship years. If Hulkenberg does not win a championship by 2020 then I will eat my signed Ferrari cap…

          • kpcart said on 9th March 2014, 16:01

            @WilliamB, don’t forget how old Vettel was, and how he outdid redbul senior drivers in car setup to get the results. obviously you are trying to diminish vettels achievements, but you can not, it is not that long ago, but already part of f1 history and folklore, it is more then so many other greats in f1 did, so I do not understand why people need to try to diminish the achievements of f1s best driver.

          • craig-o (@craig-o) said on 9th March 2014, 18:28

            @william-brierty Oh certainly! Hulkenberg is really exceptional, there is no questioning that! I just hope he gets into a top car (it’s been well overdue) just to prove that he is a truly top class driver to the casual fan!

      • kpcart said on 9th March 2014, 15:57

        @Sam, yes you can… ohh and plus this one other fact…. he has won 4 world drivers championships, did you miss that little fact in the last 4 years?

    • WilliamB (@william-brierty) said on 8th March 2014, 15:31

      @craig-o – I’m sorry and I know I’m partisan with #14 avatar, but do you really think Raikkonen will beat Alonso? I don’t even think it’ll be close. Alonso knows several key things – a) Raikkonen will take several races to settle back in, b) Red Bull’s wings have been clipped and therefore c) he might just be staring an excellent opportunity to win his third title straight in the face. He will undoubtedly drive out of his skin again this year, and therefore I simply cannot fathom a scenario in which Raikkonen would beat him over a season.

      • craig-o (@craig-o) said on 8th March 2014, 16:49

        @william-brierty
        A) I don’t think it will take Kimi too long to settle back in. It didn’t take that long at Lotus.
        B) and C) Yes the Red Bull may be slower, but there are teams who look in better shape than Ferrari (Mercedes and maybe McLaren and Williams), Kimi is in the same car as Alonso, and if it’s good, he can just as easily win a second title. So I’m sure Kimi would drive out of his skin as well.

        • WilliamB (@william-brierty) said on 8th March 2014, 17:20

          @craig-o – Yes, on the evidence of 2012 it may not take long for Kimi to settle but on the basis that I got Kimi’s autograph at Silverstone this year a full two hours before anyone else left the paddock suggest that he will be disadvantaged against the most cerebral of cerebral racing drivers. And with Alonso knowing that one of the few real challengers to him likely to be behind him in the first races, Vettel, Kimi simply won’t stand a chance. Yes, I prefer Kimi to Fernando, that broodiness gets old quickly, but is he better when it comes to maximising opportunities? No.

      • bull mello (@bullmello) said on 8th March 2014, 16:56

        @william-brierty – I would love to put up a friendly pint on the Alonso/Raikkonen season points total. Being more of a Raikkonen guy than Alonso, but respecting the great talents of both, I’m looking for Kimi to barely edge Fernando after a close back and forth season. I think each driver will excel more at some tracks and fairly equally at others. Then you have the unpredictable reliability as well as on track mishaps of being in the right place at the wrong time. This will be one of my favorite 2014 story-lines as it plays out all through the season.

        • WilliamB (@william-brierty) said on 8th March 2014, 17:37

          @bullomello – With my TV cap on and my dish of cashews I simply cannot wait for Alonso vs Raikkonen in 2014, it will be awesome, but equally it will probably be more one sided than people think. Nobody even dared to suggest a close fight at Red Bull between Vettel and Raikkonen at the peak of the “Kimi to Red Bull hype” for fear of being branded delusional, so why are we expecting such a close fight between Fernando and Kimi? One driver appears in my “Top 5 F1 Drivers of all Time” list, whilst the other scarcely appears my top 15. And although their styles are ultimately similar the key differentiators are highly significant; Alonso is the more intense and calculated competitor. And in a cerebral series the most cerebral of the cerebral drivers should have a healthy, if not always comfortable advantage, over a man that simply includes racing on a list of things he likes doing alongside sleeping, drinking, eating ice cream and er, sitting down in the bathroom. I too prefer Raikkonen’s apoliticism to Alonso’s broodiness, but in the car Alonso is, for me, the more complete and intense competitor.

      • JerseyF1 (@jerseyf1) said on 8th March 2014, 18:09

        I’ve put Raikkonen to beat Alonso, and looking at the current voting a lot of others have too.

        I see Raikkonen as an absolutely top class driver who often doesn’t get 100% out of himself.

        On the other hand Alonso is a driver who may not have quite the speed or ability (in a simplistic sense) but on the other hand is much more capable of getting the maximum from himself week-in and week out and plays a good thinking game.

        The issues of settling into the team aren’t so huge, Raikkonen is a former Ferrari driver and the cars are so completely different to last year that both drivers will have just as much to learn about the new car as the other. Also, Alonso didn’t exactly endear himself to the team with his criticisms over the last couple of years whilst Raikkonen remains Ferrari’s most recent drivers’ champion (who was also a good team player in supporting Massa when needed).

        So for me the Ferrari intra-team battle comes down to whether or not Raikonnen peforms to his potential. My feeling is that sharing a team with Alonso could raise his game.

        • WilliamB (@william-brierty) said on 9th March 2014, 12:50

          @jerseyf1 – Twelve months ago I would have had very little opposition to the assertion of the suggestion that Alonso is the finest racing driver in the world, however now I am having troubles suggesting that Raikkonen is superior. I cannot remember who first uttered the phrase “you’re as good as your last race”, but few truer words have ever been uttered.

          I find it remarkable that anyone can doubt Alonso’s abilities, and as much as Vettel has proved himself in recent years, Alonso has proved that in race trim, off the line, in the wet and above all, in close combat, there is no finer. Personality preference is all very well, even I prefer Kimi to the depressing broodiness of Alonso in that respect, but on track few in the sport’s history can match Alonso’s intensity of competition and on the evidence of the past two years, where the Lotus has been, for most of the year at least, faster than the Ferrari, I see no circumstance in which Raikkonen can beat Alonso over the course of the season. I agree that Raikkonen is a sporadically world class driver, like Button and Hamilton, but Kimi at his best fails to trump Fernando at his best. Now that is not WilliamB the Alonso supporter speaking, but WilliamB the third-party trackside analysis; and the same man that just tipped Magnussen to beat Button, despite being a massive JB fan.

          I agree also that the WW3 at Ferrari that has been suggested will fail to materialize, mostly because Alonso a) is by no means the man he was in 2007 and b) he knows that success in 2014 might just rest of inner team neutrality. Whilst I’m looking forward to Alonso vs Raikkonen in 2014, I don’t think a) it will be that divisive and b) that it’ll actually be that close.

        • kpcart said on 9th March 2014, 16:10

          @ jerseyf1, you have got it all wrong, you say “is a driver who may not have quite the speed or ability (in a simplistic sense)” – you must be talking about qualifying times and fastest laps, well you do realise that is because he has been driving a Ferrari, only the 3rd quickest team in f1 over the past few years. if you are a seasoned f1 fan, you will know he is as quick as the best of them, just look back to his minardi and Renault days, oh… and the past 4 years in Ferrari in a 3rd best car which proves it even more so. if you are comparing him against Massa, well Massa is a top class driver, and matched Alonso accordingly during many qualifying sessions in Ferrari.

      • spoutnik (@spoutnik) said on 8th March 2014, 18:38

        @william-brierty Can’t see how indeed. Raikkonnen is very good, but over the past few years I have found Alonso globally more dedicated, which means giving this little more when it really matters, and I expect this to be true this year too.

    • Tifoso1989 (@tifoso1989) said on 8th March 2014, 16:05

      @craig-o
      Alonso slower than Raikkonen in qualifying and will lose the championship battle, do you missed Massa vs Alonso in 2010-2014 ??

      • WilliamB (@william-brierty) said on 8th March 2014, 16:15

        …with Massa being another Alonso teammate initially tipped to consistently outqualify the blatantly amateur Spaniard. Good grief, how quickly opinion can change in twelve short months.

      • Albrecht said on 8th March 2014, 16:16

        @tifoso1989

        The little, tiny, minimal difference is that post 2009 Massa was a disaster and that Raikkonen has been brutally good since he returned.

        While I don’t think Raikkonen will beat Alonso (Raik. is too detached for that), bringing the comparison to Massa is the weakest possible argument. Beating Massa at the form he showed between 2010-13 is hardly a big merít.

        • kpcart said on 9th March 2014, 16:04

          raikonnen has been good.. but in a Renault. no one knows how he will compete against Alonso, and how much support the team will give him. don’t forget massa was demolishing raikonnen at the end of raikonnens Ferrari days, yet then Alonso demolished massa.

          • Albrecht said on 10th March 2014, 13:14

            The Massa that Alonso demolished was not the same Massa that competed against Raikkonen. Massa was simply not the same after his accident.

      • Mads (@mads) said on 8th March 2014, 16:28

        @tifoso1989
        Aaaah yes Massa. What a benchmark. Any driver in the sharp end of the field would also have turned him to dust. As much as Alonso? Who knows. But Kimi is certainly not going to be as easy to beat as Massa was.

        • WilliamB (@william-brierty) said on 8th March 2014, 16:31

          @mads

          Any driver in the sharp end of the field would also have turned him to dust.

          Did Raikkonen “turn him to dust” in 2008?

          • Mads (@mads) said on 8th March 2014, 16:42

            @william-brierty
            Are you suggesting that Massa has been driving just as well, as he did in 2008, in the past four years?

          • WilliamB (@william-brierty) said on 8th March 2014, 17:55

            @mads – No, but can a large proportion of that not be attributed to the very fact that he was lined up against a man that ruins the careers of his teammates as a hobby (see Trulli, Fisichella and Piquet)?

          • Mads (@mads) said on 8th March 2014, 18:21

            @william-brierty
            Some? Yes.
            But lets get off Alonso for a second.
            Look at Massa 2010-2013 in comparison to any other driver.
            On track he often ended up battling with cars significantly slower then his Ferrari. His consistency was out the window most of the time as well.
            None of that was going on in 2008, 2007 or 2006.

          • WilliamB (@william-brierty) said on 9th March 2014, 13:01

            @mads – True, the “Alonso factor” is but one, if perhaps the most significant, factor in the tailing off of Massa’s form, but more importantly, what was going on with Raikkonen in 2008? Rather than Massa on a career surge that would only last one season, the gulf between the two Ferrari drivers in 2008 is probably much more easily applicable to Raikkonen, whose form simply trailed away. This inconsistency in form places him in the driver column alongside Hamilton and Button, with Alonso set to give Kimi no quarter if he fails to immediately find the peak of his own ability.

        • Sam (@) said on 8th March 2014, 16:35

          I think we will see an all new Massa. Hopefully one that comes close to the 2008 Massa.

        • Tifoso1989 (@tifoso1989) said on 8th March 2014, 16:39

          @mads

          But Kimi is certainly not going to be as easy to beat as Massa was

          Funny because Massa scored more poles,wins and podiums than Raikkonen during their Ferrari days together !!!!!!

      • craig-o (@craig-o) said on 8th March 2014, 16:45

        @tifoso1989 I don’t feel Massa was the same after his accident, like a lot of people after serious head injuries. So it would be tricky to compare.

        • Palle (@palle) said on 9th March 2014, 9:43

          If Massa had been a Fighter Pilot, he would never have been allowed in a Cockpit again after that accident! I simply can’t understand why Ferrari kept him as a drag chute for that long, but it was good for RBR and Vettel:-) Massa is a nice guy, but too sensitive and my guess is that only on weekends where everything suits him perfectly he can forget the mental trauma and perform. I don’t believe Alonso destroys him, I think the accident and Hamiltons win in 2008 did.
          Over the season I also think that Bottas will turn him into dust no matter how good or bad the Williams is. But it will be interesting to see how it goes.

    • Kingshark (@kingshark) said on 9th March 2014, 2:06

      @craig-o

      Raikkonen Another one that will be incredibly close. I think they’re roughly even on race pace but Kimi seems to have a slight edge on qualifying pace. Also if Alonso struggles to cope with two roosters in the same team like 2007, then we will know what will happen. I don’t expect Kimi to bow down too easily.

      Alonso’s qualy record against Massa is significantly better than Kimi’s record against Grosjean.

      • WilliamB (@william-brierty) said on 9th March 2014, 14:21

        @kingshark – …with Massa, like Grosjean, being another driver considered as a Saturday specialist.

        • Constantine said on 9th March 2014, 18:14

          @william-brierty Massa before the accident was considered a qualifying master.

          Alonso’s performance in relationship to Massa’s is an indicative of absolutely nothing.

      • Albrecht said on 9th March 2014, 15:34

        @kingshark

        Is that supposed to mean much? Massa post-2009 has had a disastrous form. At least Grosjean showed some brilliance in 2012 in-between his chaos, and in 2013 he was quite good.

        Alonso is a great driver, but comparing
        him to Massa to make him look better is pointless, simply because of how bad Massa has been.

      • erix said on 9th March 2014, 15:50

        Without any car between, for example Abu Dhabi 12 and Australia 13, suddenly Kimi is faster than Alonso. You don’t want an angry Finn..ask the Russian!

    • David Bretz (@cynical) said on 9th March 2014, 10:45

      Same as I voted. It will certainly be interesting to see how it all plays out.

  10. VMaxMuffin (@vmaxmuffin) said on 8th March 2014, 12:59

    Here’s how I voted:

    Riccardo (OK, wishful thinking, I have to have faith in my country’s representative! But given his good qualifying speed and the unreliability of the Red Bull I think it wouldn’t be too far fetched to say that, with Vettel getting some bad luck, he has a chance of at least being close)
    Rosberg (I like Rosberg, and Hamilton too but not as much – but regardless I think Lewis will struggle with being able to go flat out even less)
    Raikkonen (I think this will be very close, but I think Kimi has a sort of “silent assassin” nature about him and could catch Alonso by surprise)
    Grosjean (Yeah he’ll beat Maldonado – sorry if you’re Venezuelan!)
    Button (I think Magnussen will do well but Jenson’s experience will give him the other hand)
    Hulkenberg (As much as I think Perez is a great driver in his own right, even if he didn’t show it so much last year, I think the Hulk will win this one fair and square)
    Sutil (Experience will reign supreme here)
    Vergne (Again, I think Vergne’s experience will help)
    Massa (I still believe in Massa – in a car that hopefully suits him and is very competitive I think he’s a good championship candidate. I think Alonso was very bad for him, because when he came back from his serious injury Alonso essentially bullied him back into a number 2 role. Back as number 1, I think he’ll have much better confidence and do well)
    Bianchi (Sorry Max)
    Kobayashi (Ericsson is new whilst Kobayashi isn’t, plus Kamui has great speed so he should help Caterham get their first points I think)

    • curmudgeon (@curmudgeon) said on 8th March 2014, 13:35

      Agree with 10 out of 11 and my reasoning is similar. The exception is the first as Dan’s time at STR was not as notable as Seb’s was. Or the matter of 5 years beating an experienced Mark Webber. But pulling for a countryman is very understandable.

  11. Robbie (@robbie) said on 8th March 2014, 13:06

    Turns out every driver I picked has the majority votes right now. I did pick LH only because I think it will be him between the two, even though I’m pulling for NR, but I was pleasantly surprised how close it was between the two. Going by the comments in recent weeks I thought LH would have a much higher margin over NR, so I’m bolstered by all you experts out there and how much weight you have given to NR’s chances. Fantastic.

  12. TyreBlowout (@tyreblowout) said on 8th March 2014, 13:06

    I’m surprised by how close the Mercedes drivers are and how far apart the Williams drivers are (at the moment at least). I think Hamilton will beat Rosberg quite comfortably yet I think the Williams boys will be very evenly matched, although because of his experience I voted Massa. Still, that’s the nice thing about these polls: they let us see what fellow f1 fans are thinking :)
    Otherwise I think Magnussen might just beat Button this year too.

  13. Eggry (@eggry) said on 8th March 2014, 13:07

    Vettel / Hamilton / Alonso / Grosjean / Button / Hulk / Sutil / Vergne / Massa / Bianchi / Kobayashi

    Generally I evaluate experience more than youth. also I think Alonso and Hamilton would have upper hands over team mates. I have to admit I’m a little bit surprised how people underestimate Maldonado against Grosjean even though I voted Grosjean. I expected it much closer.

  14. I went with the majority vote (at the time) on all of them. Surprised Kimi and Alonso weren’t closer (I expect Alonso to win, but I would have thought the votes would be closer than the current 65/35 split). The trickiest for me was Massa/Bottas. Never thought much of Massa, but I narrowly went for him due to improving form last year, experience, and perhaps a new lease of life from being out of Alonso’s shadow.

  15. caci99 (@caci99) said on 8th March 2014, 13:11

    The most difficult pair to judge is the Mercedes one. Hamilton looks the faster driver between the two, while Rosberg the most consistent. Rosberg has also developed that conservative driving in Mercedes because of tyre issues of that car, which might be at hand this season. So with very slight advantage I think it goes to Rosberg.
    While the Ferrari pair is really exiting, I do think Alonso will come ahead but nevertheless the fight is going to be a pleasure to follow and wouldn’t be surprised at all if Raikkonen comes ahead.
    In the McLaren Button has more chances than Magnussen, given this season has a lot to do with patience and being wise.
    In Williams I feel Bottas will do it. He proved a very good driver last year, something that Massa hasn’t for some years.
    The rest is pretty much obvious to me with Vettel, Hulkenberg, Grosjean, Bianchi, Kobayashi. Sauber and Toro Rosso have uninspiring pair up to now.

    • kpcart said on 9th March 2014, 16:17

      Hamilton is only ever the fastest driver over 1 lap, or when tyre wear is not put into the equation. – he was best when f1 had conservative tyres in the era of grooved tyres. he is a 2 dimensional driver in that respect. Hamilton would do better in Nascar, he would have won 4 championships now with the level of cars he has had in f1 – he is not the complete driver. sadly, he will probably win the championship this year, with his inconsistencies, he will still be faster over the season then Rosberg, who doesn’t seem as fast as the fastest 5 drivers in f1 at any one time, and I don’t see any team challenging Mercedes for the championship because of the PU advantage Mercedes have.

      • kbdavies (@kbdavies) said on 1st April 2014, 12:44

        I’m sorry, but who care how many dimensions a driver has? As long as he does what he need to win, what is the problem? And how can he win a championship if he is only fast over one lap? Can Alonso be a better qualifier? Can Kimi be more more motivated? Can Vettel win consistently in a car NOT the class of the field? Please show me a driver that has ALL the dimensions, and i shall eat my mouse!

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