Daniel Ricciardo, Red Bull, Sepang International Circuit, 2014

Ricciardo gets ten-place grid drop

2014 Malaysian Grand PrixPosted on | Author Keith Collantine

Daniel Ricciardo, Red Bull, Sepang International Circuit, 2014Daniel Ricciardo will be moved back ten places on the grid for the Bahrain Grand Prix.

The team were given the penalty after Ricciardo was released from his pit box with the front-left wheel not attached properly.

Ricciardo was also given a ten second stop and go penalty during the race, which he did not finish.

Red Bull were also handed a reprimand by the stewards as a member of their team did not wear protective headgear during Ricciardo’s stop.

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  1. Ouch, that Webber luck.

    1. Gazzaguru (@garygushbiz-com)
      30th March 2014, 12:12

      Seems very similar to what Mark experienced during his time at RBR. Ouch!!!

    2. Australia´s luck maybe? Got to feel for him…

  2. Seems rather harsh, surely it should be an in race penalty, which was already given, or a grid drop next race, but not both, and do wonder if they’d have done the same for SV…..

    1. @wombat1m What does that have to do with anything? It’s just foolish to think stewards would treat Vettel better for any reason whatsoever.

    2. Ok, so according to autosport it’s a standard part of the rules for this season. Seems a harsh rule, but straightforward application of the rules nonetheless.

      1. thanks for that, but still seems harsh

    3. It was an in race penalty they did not take because they retired him. Had they first taken the penalty an THEN retired him, he would be fine

      1. No he wouldn’t be fine:
        Sporting Regulations:
        23.12 If a car is deemed to have been released in an unsafe condition during a race the driver concerned will receive a ten grid place penalty at the driver’s next Event. However, if any car released in an unsafe condition is able to resume the race a penalty under Article 16.3(c) will also be imposed on the driver concerned.

    4. @vettel1 If you read the original comment from @wombat1m you will see that he did not make an audacious accusation. He made a statement, which was that he wonders if they would have done the same for SV. I also wonder that and whether Alonso would have suffered the same fate (which I think very unlikely).

      If something similar happens again this season we shall see whether they are consistent in what I agree is a rather draconian penalty for Ricciardo given that he was promptly stopped before rejoining the track and the problem fixed.

      1. Just seen sporting reg 23.12 reference below. Still seems harsh but if that’s what the rules now say then it’s got to be done (for one and all).

  3. Ouch indeed. Very harsh.

    To hit them with this on top of a 10-second Stop-and-Go during the race and after the team stopped Ricciardo in the pits and recovered him as safely as they could after they realised the problem? Kind of feels excessive to me.

    1. Chris (@tophercheese21)
      30th March 2014, 12:36


    2. Have to agree Magnificent one. The stewards in Malaysia have been particularly harsh this weekend.

      1. Well Malaysia already have one thing missing at the moment, I guess they didn’t want it to seem like the rule book to F1 was too…

      2. Actually no they haven’t – the rules clearly state that both penalties are required. The stewards had no option.

      3. Oh, unless you’re also talking about penalties for other drivers. In which case, yeah :P

    3. Punishing a driver in the current and following race is wrong, unless they’ve done something ban-worthy. I’d rather see a harsher penalty in the current race than split it across 2. This feels deeply unfair rather than just excessive.

      1. @matt90

        Bear in mind that an unsafe release that means they lose a minute in the pits and get lapped, is race ruining in itself but is not a penalty. They still need to be penalised for the rule breach. If you take a penalty after already being in last by your own fault, is that still a penalty? Afterall it makes no difference. In such a situation a team can only be effectively be penalised by ‘punishing’ them at the next event where the penalty actually can serve its purpose properly. It’s harsh, yes – but then what is a penalty if it’s not something you take a think, “Gah, we must make sure that never happens again!” A penalty that does not make a team/driver feel like that is an ineffective penalty in my view.

        1. @nick-uk I’m pretty sure losing a whole lap is a good enough penalty to make them not want to repeat it.

          1. @george You’re not seeing the point. The penalty itself has to be separate from the effect of a self inflicted mistake. It’s nothing to do with the FIA that it took Red Bull 1-2 minutes to complete their pit stop, what does concern the FIA is that they released the car unsafely.

            I agree with you that it’s harsh, but it’s a deserved penalty.

          2. Why dont you tell that to the guy who got hit by a wheel at 80 km/h last year?

    4. Last year Williams was fined heavily for doing something similar.
      I guess RBR got confused because they could simply have him do his penalty and then retire a few meters from his box.

    5. The rules need to be tough though, to prevent an incident like Webber’s bundled pit stop in Germany 2013.. If there was no/lenient penalty for such offenses, then the teams would obviously be less worried about making the offenses.

  4. Why? He already served his penalty in the race? Strange.

    1. sporting regulations 2014,

      If a car is deemed to have been released in an unsafe condition dur
      ing a race the driver
      concerned will receive a ten grid place penalty at the driver’s next Event. However, if
      any car released in an unsafe condition is able to resume the rac
      e a penalty under
      Article 16.3(c
      ) will also be imposed
      on the driver concerned

    2. After last years Red Bull’s, wheel in the pit lane incident, the rules for 2014 were changed such that driver incurs BOTH a 10 second stop and go AND a 10 place drop for the following race.

      Rightly so too, the memory of seeing that wheel roll down the pit lane like some over sized 10 pin ball will be with me for a long time.

      1. rules should not be dictated according to sentiment. Punishing a team in two races for it’s misconduct in 1 race is inconsistent in my view. But hey, its the FIA, and they run the show, rule makers need to make a living too.

        1. Stupid statement, rules imposed to increase the safety of the sport are pretty much always generated by emotion after someone dies or gets seriously injured

        2. If the FIA were more concerned with making a living than improving safety, then surely a fine would have made more sense than a grid penalty?

  5. This isn’t just kicking a man whilst he’s down… This is ordering the entire English rubgy team to tackle him whilst he’s down.

    Daniel’s definitely got a case of Webberitis!

    1. a case of Webberitis!

      I used the exact same phrase on the live-text. It’s disastrously rotten luck to have so many things go wrong in a chain reaction. I wouldn’t wish it on any driver.

    2. At least he’s quicker than Webber.

      1. Ouch! Burn!!!!

      2. @George


        I was fearing that he would continue the trend of poor starts, as he wasn’t lightning fast off the line in the Torro Rosso.

        But, if anything, he’s been one of the better starters, so far!
        (I’ve gone and jinxed it now, haven’t I :P)

    3. It’s nothing to do with bad luck or anything – it’s in the rules plain and simple.

      1. @joetoml1n

        The ‘bad luck’ was referring to the wheel incident, which happened to Webber last year.

        Of course I know it’s in the rules, I don’t see how my comment was either pro or con the rules, at all, quite frankly…

  6. Did Ricciardo offended the Stewards last season?

    1. yeah seriously why are the penalties so harsh

      1. Why ? They took his side when he complained like a baby about Bottas

    2. They’re trying to wipe the smile off his face…

  7. RIC -> Pit wall: “Hey guys i want to be part of it”
    Pit wall: “Mr Horner, daniel want to be part of default 31”
    Horner: “Really? ok..destroy his tires and wings !”
    “BOX BOX BOX ”

    1. Paul Ogbeiwi (@)
      30th March 2014, 12:43

      “FINISH HIM!”

      1. Version 2
        “Mister Horner, We have a problem”
        “The backup fuel sensing method of the FIA is working, We cannot get him DSQ again !”
        “ERrr… try braking his front wing”
        “Right way sir”
        “Wait ! make sure you release him unsafely”
        “For the next race? you sir, are a genius !!!”

        1. LOL , this is too hilarious … I can almost imagine horner having that discussion in his squeaky voice. Ha ha

  8. It is a double penalty for sure and time will tell whether this is the standard penalty for an unsafe release. (10 sec S&G + 10 spot grid penalty)

    Made me wonder:
    Unsafe release and you crash into another driver by going out.
    1 10 sec stop and go for unsafe release
    2 5 sec stop and go for crash
    3 10 spot grid penalty
    4 2 penalty points?

    1. I think you would get more penalty points in such a case.

    2. It is the standard penalty – check the sporting regulations.

  9. You can’t punish a man twice, come on this is beyond redicoulus.

    1. So apparently he didn’t serve his stop and go, so yeah that clears it up basically.

    2. This is a new rule that was made this winter in order to stop teams trying to go for sub 2 second stops. A stop-go AND grid drop will be applied for an unsafe release.

  10. I’m trying to remember if he took the in-race penalty before he retired or not. If he did take the penalty, then a second penalty seems extremely harsh.

    1. Pretty sure he did as he was listed with 5 stops.

      1. He did. He came in on back to back laps after changing his wing.

  11. Oh, c’mon!! What are the stewards doing? They’re trying to redeem themselves for being such an incompetent bunch last year?! They’re being childish in my opinion…

    1. If I had been a steward leafing through the regulations, I had done the same, even if I think he and RBR was punished above reason by the points loss inflicted upon themselves by their bad luck or incompetence. The rules are clear, its not the stewards fault that it turns out to be very harsh in this case, especially because the incident didn’t cause any great danger or severe inconvenience to others – as I remember it. And the wheel didn’t come off.

  12. Way too harsh. Vettel does not need more help.

    1. How does DR’s penalty helping SV?

      1. I must apologize. After “Multi21” I promised myself not to ever try to understand RB’s internal politics again. But I could not control myself. Malaysia brings back memories of deleted tweets…

        So consider my comment just my two cents of paranoia.

        1. Did Red Bull fake the moonlanding as well? Did Christian Horner play any part in the entire JFK ordeal?

          Maybe Dieter and Helmut are behind the Illuminati as well..

          1. Did Christian Horner play any part in the entire JFK ordeal?

            Yes. I daren’t say any more than that…

    2. Why is Vettel being dragged in again?

      1. Because they can not take it that Vettel is still better than his teammate

      2. some people just love to hate and will find any manner of ridiculous conclusions to try and justify there hate

        1. The comments involving Vettel, Horner etc. is just making fun of those who would start thinking “conspiracy”.

  13. I guess they really want to punish harshly for unsafe release as a flying wheel in pits is a potentially lethal situation.

    1. I think that’s the key. The FIA have clearly decided that loose wheels can’t be tolerated (rightly so, let’s never forget what happened to Henry Surtees) and are clamping down on it hard. One option is to have minimum pit stop times, the other is to punish very heavily so that the teams effectively police themselves.

      1. Red Bull were credited with an unsafe release, it had nothing to do with the ‘loose’ wheel I believe. If Ricciardo had managed to leave the pits with out looking his wheel was going to fall off, and then killed his motor 100 meters after the pit and claimed some sort of failure, he probably would not have been punished at all. If anything, this rule raises the incentive to not stop your car after a release, and to continue down and out the pits hoping the wheel won’t fall off.

        1. It’s still classed as an unsafe release if the wheel isn’t attached. The car has to be fully ready to go, not just with 3 proper wheels and hope the other one stays seated for 300 metres.

  14. Kid can’t catch a break can he?

    And he wasn’t “punished twice” as some people are saying – he didn’t take the penalty for an unsafe release despite the chance to do so.

    1. Ah, yes. That does explain it. RBR should have had him first take the 10 second penalty and THEN retire him.

      1. Well, that was stupid then

        1. It’s Ricciardo for whom I feel sorry too, @mouse_nightshirt. He took the hit for the team’s unsafe release, although I accept F1 is a team sport.

          First, RB – more or less – robbed him of a podium as a result of the fuel filter fiasco in Australia. Now they wreck his second race and disadvantage him for the next one. And (from Keith’s post, emphasis mine) “a member of their team was observed not to be wearing protective headgear during Ricciardo’s stop.” Just as well the team member was – presumably – wearing protective headgear during Vettel’s stops.

          Ricciardo’s run of bad luck is probably just one of those things. But it certainly looks like the poor guy is being let down by events beyond his control. I suppose he could have avoided the Bahrain, grid penalty by taking the 10 second penalty during this last race, but that failure may also be a corollary to RB’s poor judgement.

          Poor Ricciardo. He started this race so well, particularly at the start. Three races: Australia; Malaysia and Bahrain. Three sets of issues that aren’t really his fault.

          1. I suppose he could have avoided the Bahrain, grid penalty by taking the 10 second penalty during this last race

            Nope – the grid drop isn’t instead of the 10 second S&G, it’s as well as. They’re the new rules – not up to the stewards.

          2. @fluxsource and @shena – you’re both right, I stand corrected.

    2. As mentioned above a couple of times, he served the penalty before the retire.
      First three for tyres, 4th for nose change and 5th for the penalty

        1. Thanks. I guess FOM didn’t show it via their main feed as his position was pretty irrelevant at that stage and people seemed to assume without checking out any facts it didn’t happen.

  15. Hmm, power plant not performing as well as expected, pit crew tardy in changes, misplaced safty helmets, penalties, penaties, penalties, moving towards a major fall-out with authourity over new regulations and the owner considering pulling the plug if he can’t get his own way… Ferrarri took decades to get to that stage in F1. What makes Red Bull so special so soon. I have followed their progress since they began, cheering DC on for years despite RBR “bad luck” and “almostthere” status. This last few years the have become as arrogant as Ferrarri and McLaren in assuming that winning races means they can dictate the rulebook.
    The FIA control motor sport. END OF. Do as the book says, and get over it.

    1. I don’t see what this penalty (which is a consistent and correct one) has to do with what you’ve said.

      1. That’s the point (I think). The penalty says that so they shouldn’t threaten to leave because they broke the rules and got punished.

  16. What? I mean, it was a mistake, but the Red Bull guys reacted on time and they stopped him before going out. I can understand the stop & go penalty, but why the ten place grid drop?

    Really, really harsh decision.

    1. exactly i agree it didn’t seem to very unsafe

    2. @yobo01 they brought the new rule in because of incidents like webbers wheel hitting a camera man in the pit lane! it doesnt matter that riccardo stopped before entering the track. a loose wheel in the pit lane is just as dangerous as out on track!

      1. @sato113 @chebeto
        Yeah, fair point. I mean, it’s good that they are trying to improve the safety in those kind of situation, they lowered the maximum speed in the pits and they introduced some other safety measures.
        Ricciardo had to be penalised for that, I just feel that a stop & go and then a 10 place grid penalty on top of that is a bit harsh.
        The stewards did what they had to, it’s all written very clearly on the rule book.

        1. I guess a 10 sec stop-go could be a meaningless penalty if the driver was already way down the pack. so a 10 place grid drop as well would certainly cover this.

    3. @yobo01 @aqibqadeer No one was hurt and that’s good, but he actually didn’t stop that early. He did drive about 50 meters, I guess.
      Remember some race last year when a car (I think Maldonado) was released with a wheel not attached and the wheel hit a camera man? They want to prevent that, so a harsh penalty will make them think twice before they release anyone from the pits. It’s all fair and square, unfortunately a bit unlucky for Ricciardo, but the stewards got to do their job.

      1. It was ironically Webber, not Maldonado, which is funny because it was effectively the same car which suffered this time, just with a different Australian at the wheel.

        Note the word effectively please.

  17. that’s just ridiculous its good they are threatning to leave FIA should stop this nonsense

  18. Webber best take that facemask off, he’s not fooling anybody with that luck.

    1. He, he. But it can’t be Webber – he has made 2 perfect starts in as many races – that would never happen to Webber;-)

  19. Correct decision. A stop/go penalty meant nothing as his race was already ruined by that point. Best to encourage teams to be more careful by giving penalties that actually mean something.

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