Shorter races to be considered as noise fix

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Daniil Kvyat, Toro Rosso, Sepang International Circuit, 2014In the round-up: F1 stakeholders will discuss whether shorter race distances coupled with scrapping fuel flow restrictions could increase engine noise.


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A big month ahead, behind the scenes in Formula 1 (James Allen on F1)

“From a simple raising of the engines’ decibel level, to more radical ideas like shortening the races and abandoning the controversial fuel flow meters, it seems that discussions held so far will channel into a significant meeting of teams, FOM and FIA, a gathering of the F1 Strategy Group to frame a new policy and then possible ratifications of any changes at the next FIA World Motor Sport Council meeting on April 11.”

Renault says F1 noise can’t be changed (Autosport)

Renault head of track operations Remi Taffin: “There’s nothing you can do with exhaust profiling because again you’ve got both exhaust pipes running into the same tailpipe after it has run through the turbo, so it is what it is.”

Monisha Kaltenborn Q&A: Sauber must keep the faith (F1)

“We managed last year to secure our deal with Telmex, which was an important step, and now we are taking it step by step. Not so much is visible now, but you can rest assured that a lot is going on in the background and we will hopefully be able to tell the public soon. I hope it will be an easier year than 2013 was.”

Michael Schumacher latest: Fans complain over German magazine cover that depicts smiling F1 star and wife with ‘AWAKE!’ headline (The Independent)

“A quick flick through the issue promptly revealed that the headline bore no relation to Schumacher at all, but instead to a number of stories about different individuals who had woken up after a coma.”

Spray in Sepang (ESPN)

“Rosberg was his usual exuberant self but I sense there’s a bit of tension brewing between the two drivers. Obviously one has more points than the other and everyone wants to win every race.”

Hansard 1st April 2014

Richard Burden (Birmingham, Northfield, Labour): “The UK, however, is the home of motor sport not only in Formula 1, but in so many other ways. The national and grass roots series are among the building blocks that make our motor sport and performance engineering industries as world-class as they are.”


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143 comments on Shorter races to be considered as noise fix

  1. Mark in Florida said on 3rd April 2014, 3:00

    What a circus! Formula 1 wants to appear to be modern and cool with their new turbo/mgk power units. But they choke the power with fuel restrictions. Now that the media and some fans hate the car’s sound it’s a crisis. Formula 1 should have stayed with what they do well, all out performance. They should have left the battery powered car’s to the road racers like Audi’s R18 Etron. Trying to be a “Me too” sport isn’t going to work in the long run. People want to look at Formula 1 and see the fastest highest performance car’s on the planet not the quickest golf carts ever made. I do not believe that the rules should be scrapped, that would be unfair to the team’s that have made it work. But at some point they need to get back to what makes F1 great.

    • drmouse (@drmouse) said on 3rd April 2014, 10:46

      Formula 1 should have stayed with what they do well, all out performance… People want to look at Formula 1 and see the fastest highest performance car’s on the planet not the quickest golf carts ever made.

      You do realise that these cars are quicker in a straight line than last year’s? And the main reason they are slower is not because they are “golf carts”, but because they have less downforce?

      These engines are fantastic pieces of engineering, producing pretty much the same power as last year but using a hell of a lot less fuel to do it. This is all out performance (engine wise) in a way which will (and has) attract and keep manufacturers in the sport.

      • Eric Morman (@lethalnz) said on 3rd April 2014, 11:43

        exactly dimouse,
        if people wont to moan then moan about the bloody ugly cars,
        that hideous nose is truly the ugliest thing i have ever seen on a car ever.

      • Mark in Florida said on 5th April 2014, 7:24

        I am not necessarily moaning about the new engines. It’s the way that it’s been done. By taking away the car’s downforce the advantage of the car’s performance has been compromised. The car’s are faster in a straight line simply because they have less down force and a larger rear wing opening. With higher performance tires and down force levels to match the torque output of the new pu we would see true all out performance. These half steps are making F1 seem like a Me to sport.

  2. trotter said on 3rd April 2014, 5:24

    I can’t believe that with all of the amazing new technical aspects of the cars, people are talking about the level of noise. Reminds me of that saying “Don’t throw pearls in front of the pigs”. Which means, don’t bother producing something amazing for those who don’t have a capacity to appreciate it. Sure enough, that seems to be the case. None of the great new tech features is getting some decent talk and explanation to those who might not understand it fully, but by all means, rubbish the sport as much as you can regarding things that are no brainer to make. Everyone can make loud engine or fuel the car and make it just floor it and go around. But obviously not many can make an engine that we have in F1 at the moment. Power to fuel and rpm ratio is absolutely amazing.

    Sadly, people just want to watch the same thing over and over again, and to make it worst, every one of you wants to watch a different thing over and over again. So why should F1 listen to any one particular. It’s just common sense that not everyone can be made happy.

    • drmouse (@drmouse) said on 3rd April 2014, 10:49

      I can’t believe that with all of the amazing new technical aspects of the cars, people are talking about the level of noise.


      Everyone can make loud engine

      Just look at all the 1l Saxos with a “performance” exhaust (which actually reduces power output, but “sounds cool”).

  3. David Not Coulthard (@davidnotcoulthard) said on 3rd April 2014, 5:29

    Just remove the bl**dy RPM limit if you want more noise.

    Anyway, just wondering, were the cars louder back in the ’80s?

  4. David Not Coulthard (@davidnotcoulthard) said on 3rd April 2014, 5:41

    I don’t think races should be shortened. Did drivers push so hard in the ’80s that they never decreased their boost levels?

    And had the people in F1 been in 1981 what they are today, what kind of discussion would’ve taken place after the Spanish GP?

    And, looking at how it actually turned out, nothing was wrong with Mr. Villeneuve slowing the race down and making it pretty boring, though that doesn’t stop Jarama from being dangerously narrow to the point it got dropped after that.

  5. GeeMac (@geemac) said on 3rd April 2014, 5:51

    Shorter races to be considered as noise fix

    My reaction to this was quite simply: “Noooooooooooooo!”

  6. Todfod (@todfod) said on 3rd April 2014, 6:03

    Shorter races to be considered as noise fix

    In other news, foot amputation was used as a solution for fixing a broken toe

  7. David Not Coulthard (@davidnotcoulthard) said on 3rd April 2014, 6:03

    @keithcollantine I think the shorter races was suggested to “fix” the fact that races are “too boring” (as in processional), not necessarily the engine noise.

  8. Lustigson (@lustigson) said on 3rd April 2014, 6:33

    ‘Shorter races to be considered as noise fix’? Is it that bad? That no noise is better than low noise? :-D

  9. Lustigson (@lustigson) said on 3rd April 2014, 6:35

    Perhaps I already posted something similar some time ago: I think that races shouldn’t be shorter, but they should be longer. With laptimes having gone down over the years, the races have become shorter. Monza in 80 minutes, many others finished in 90 minutes. Why not add 15 to 20 km to the minimum race distance, save Monaco, to have races of an hour and 45 minutes or more, again?

  10. David (@mansellsmoustache) said on 3rd April 2014, 7:32

    Tell me this is an April Fool’s joke that got stuck in somebody’s outbox?

    Shortening the Grand Prix distance to change the engine sound? One of those is rather fundamental to what a Grand Prix means, the other an annoyance. Have those in charge totally lost the plot?

    • Timothy Katz (@timothykatz) said on 3rd April 2014, 8:22

      You ask if those in charge have totally lost the plot. That assumes that-
      A) There are people in charge
      B) That there is an overall plot
      I do not see any evidence in support of A or B.

      • Keith Campbell (@keithedin) said on 3rd April 2014, 10:10

        nice ;)

        Although i think there is some evidence for A). If there wasn’t people in charge, there wouldn’t be new rules appearing out of nowhere between seasons and being written into the rules with no heads up, let alone a consultation, with the fans. i.e double points.

  11. Jason (@jason12) said on 3rd April 2014, 8:27

    For more noise teams can just mount loudspeakers on the cars.

    This whole noise thing is just childish really.

  12. Patrick (@paeschli) said on 3rd April 2014, 8:38

    Can’t we just leave F1 alone for a moment? We’ve just had the biggest rule change in 20 years and now they want to change the rules again? Let’s see the whole 2014 before speaking about changing the rules again.

  13. DavidS (@davids) said on 3rd April 2014, 8:42

    Remove the fuel flow restriction, leaving only the 100kg for the race rule.
    Don’t shorten the races, that is one of the things that has remained unchanged over the years.
    Allow twin turbo configurations in the rules, allow the teams to reintroduce dual exhaust exits with short exhaust lengths, although there will still need to be restrictions to prevent blown diffusers. Some engine manufacturers may opt to continue using a single turbo for packaging reasons.
    De-restrict engine RPM, they are already able to build engines that spin at 20,000rpm, surely with a lower capacity (less rotating mass) they would easily reach that.

    While you may not get back to the same noise levels (due to smaller engines, turbo acting as a muffler) they should become significantly louder and sound more highly strung.

  14. Bradley Downton (@bradley13) said on 3rd April 2014, 9:29

    What a fantastic idea! Not only do we already have the amazing double points rule but now but they’re considering shortening races to fix a problem that isn’t really a problem. Tell you what, while they’re at they should make the races half distance and instead have two over a weekend, with the grid for the second being a reverse of the result of the first! That’ll improve the spectacle no end!

    Please note the above is sarcasm.

  15. dirgegirl (@dirgegirl) said on 3rd April 2014, 10:10

    Am I the only one who found Remi Taffin’s imagery in the Autosport article a little disturbing?

    The other item is the turbo. You put one thing through the path of the exhaust gases, which is like if you would put a pillow on someone’s face. It acts as a muffler.

    I wonder who he imagines silencing with a pillow?

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