Lewis Hamilton, Mercedes, Sepang International Circuit, 2014

Ferrari complaining ‘because they’re not winning’

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F1F CSIn the round-up: Lewis Hamilton says Ferrari wouldn’t be lobbying for changes to F1’s rules if they were winning races this tear.


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Hamilton defends new-look F1 from Ferrari critics (Reuters)

“‘[Luca] di Montezemolo didn’t say a thing when Michael (Schumacher) won those five world championships (in a row),” smiled the winner of last weekend’s race in Malaysia who will be chasing a third successive pole position on Saturday.”

Lewis Hamilton, Mercedes, Sepang International Circuit, 2014Ecclestone holds secret talks with Ferrari boss Di Montezemolo in London after drop in TV ratings for Malaysian Grand Prix (Daily Mail)

“Di Montezemolo is concerned that viewing figures in Europe fell for last weekend’s Malaysian Grand Prix, reflecting Ferrari’s online poll that found 78 per cent of the 35,000-plus respondents did not like the new formula.”

Williams apologises to Massa, Bottas (Autosport)

“For our fans, we want to apologise for that because we didn’t handle it in the best way.”

Williams duo resolve team orders row (BBC)

“Williams said later that they intended to let Massa back past Bottas if the Finn failed to clear Button within a couple of laps, but this was not explained at the time.”

Driver weight issue dangerous – Sutil (ESPN)

“You feel it before the race that you haven’t got your ultimate power. The cars are a bit slower so you don’t need to be in superb shape to finish it, but still it’s like if you go for a run for one and half hours and you don’t eat enough, you have a sugar hole. You are almost getting in an area where you don’t work well up here [in the head]. This is the danger we are facing.”

US team to be given green light to jump on the F1 bandwagon by next year (The Independent)

Bernie Ecclestone: “I think Haas will be accepted. They have got the money but it’s a question of whether they are going to spend it.”

Eric Boullier on Stoffel Vandoorne (McLaren)

“He’ll be testing the McLaren MP4-29 here in Bahrain next week – his first Formula 1 test – and I’m sure he’ll acquit himself very well.”

Bahrain authorities hope for quiet as F1 contemplates lack of noise (The Guardian)

“Al-Wefaq’s peaceful rallies are usually just that. More worrying for the security men is the 14 February Revolution Youth Coalition cyber-group, who often clash with the police. It, too, has called for demonstrations on Friday, in the al-Seef junction area, west of Manama, under the slogan ‘Stop the blood formula’.”

Nico Rosberg Q&A: Mercedes should have Bahrain advantage (F1)

“Failure is failure. And there is pressure in any team. For Williams it was about the existence of the company – and for them that had the same importance as brand value for others – so doing well, being successful is a necessity for every team.”

Bahrain Grand Prix Betting: Mercedes can assert dominance (Unibet)

My Bahrain Grand Prix preview for Unibet.


Comment of the day

@William-Brierty reckons GP2 needs to raise its game:

2014 is a litmus test for GP2. In the shape of Stoffel Vandoorne and Raffaele Marciello, GP2 has two serene talents who should go unchallenged by the resident Felipe Nasr, Jolyon Palmer and Alexander Rossi.

And yet, in the past three years the eventual champion has had over three seasons worth of experience before taking the title, and therefore, if GP2 is to wrangle the status of number one feeder series to Formula One back from Formula Renault 3.5, the prevalence of talent over experience must be established. It is vital also, for the very survival of GP2, that the known talent of Mitch Evans and Daniel Abt shine through more brightly in their first year compared with their somewhat lacklustre first years.

That said, GP2 is well placed in the modern world of F1, with the comparable handling, torque and traction characteristics of the Dallara GP2/11 chassis giving young drivers a presumably similar sensation to driving a modern F1 car, and therefore it is essential that the success we have from Daniil Kvyat and Kevin Magnussen in the first two races in F1 translate in young success in GP2 so it does not become a retirement home for well-backed drivers lacking in talent.

If Palmer fulfils his pre-season status as title favourite and wins the title with DAMS, and if Marciello, Vandoorne, Evans and Abt spend most of their time on the outer reaches of the top ten, then a series ignored by the Red Bull Young Driver Programme and clearly struggling financially in the way they failed to update the GP2/11 chassis after the normal three year had elapsed, might just cease to exist. That would be shame, because probably some of the best racing held on grand prix tracks in 2013 was GP2 races.

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138 comments on “Ferrari complaining ‘because they’re not winning’”

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  1. I don’t care about sorting the noise or even double points out now, as long as drivers are not putting themselves at risk as they are with extreme weight loss to find a few tenths. It’s not right and the FIA needs to do that before somebody gets seriously hurt.

    1. Agree, that is something that should be adressed ASAP @craig-o.

      1. @craig-o and @bascb I think Sutil deserves a race ban for such behaviour. He did it with all good intentions but he risked his life and other people their lives.

        Imagine him going 300kph, faints and keeps his foot on the gas. If he cannot comply with the rules he should not race in F1. The solution is not booting him out but changing the rules of course. In the end I think he has to admit he cannot take this risk and say to his team and the FIA that he cannot race under these conditions. Others will eventually join him and a change will come.

        1. Are you serious @ardenflo? The guy takes the courageaus step to actually talk about this openly, and you want to ban him for it?
          Brundle mentioned that one driver passed out at a PR event prior to the Malaysian race, and from an interview with Button it emerged that these guys stop taking carbohydrates the week prior to the race to stay low weight. What you propose is like wanting to ban models from moddeling when they are thin, instead of changing the way the business works.

          IMO the FIA should act to make sure these drivers will not be forced to even think about drinking so little and eating this little, instead of punishing them for doing so.

          1. Brundle mentioned that one driver passed out at a PR event prior to the Malaysian race

            @bascb Which driver was it? Chilton?

          2. He did not mention what driver it was, to protect him @egorov, but I seriously doubt it was Chiltion.

            Could have been Sutil though. Or maybe Hulkenberg, or indeed Button, or Ricciardo, or Hamilton who all have mentioned having their job cut out to meet weight targets with pretty extreme measures

          3. @bascb, did you even read my comment apart from the first sentence? I’m saying the same as you do. But I also think it is very irresponsible to step into a very fast vehicle and go racing when their is a constant risk of fainting.

          4. Hm, I might have reacted mostly on that first part yes @ardenflo. As for the irresponsible, I see a bigger responsibility for that at the team / the regulator than the driver.

            Remember how surprised people were when Perez himself admitted to not feeling good enough for it in Canada after his Monaco crash in 2012, because many a driver would have been reluctant to risk his seat by admitting that?

  2. I couldn’t stand F1 from 00-05 when Schumacher was rampant – Ferrari weren’t complaining then. It’s sour grapes and that’s all. If Merc put a poll on their website 78% will be saying I LOVE the new formula.

    What is worrying is Ferrari’s power of veto and ‘special relationship’ with the FIA which means they’ll lobby and have things changed for the betterment of Ferrari. Personally I don’t think any team is privileged; couldn’t care less if Ferrari walked.

  3. What exactly gives Di Montezemolo the right to hold secret meetings and have a say about how the sport should be changed?

    He can have his opinion of course, but I’ve never heard of a sport in which a direct competitor influences the way the rules are written. It’s plain obvious he’s complaining on behalf of Ferrari because things are not going their way and masking it off under the shroud of “improving the show”. Seriously, it makes wanna hit all of these clowns with their “show” in the head. Repeatedly. F1 is a sport first and foremost, not a show.

    Also, funny to see all these people attacking Hamilton for what he said, yet agreeing with him. He said it himself, “it’s the nature of the game”. Which means there will always be someone complaining at some point, even himself.

  4. We all know that Ferrari and Red Bull who joined recently the party are very political and that they will use every political power they have to influence the technical rules in order to gain an advantage but the ethic lessons in this case shouldn’t come from Mr Hamilton one of the testgate heroes who posted his photo in the US while he was testing in Barcelona with a different helmet

    ‘[Luca] di Montezemolo didn’t say a thing when Michael (Schumacher) won those five world championships (in a row)

    People always try to be nostalgic but to be honest the racing in the early 2000’s was far from boring at least for me, apart from 2002 and 2004 which was the case of Ferrari having the best driver/car combination, there was less pay drivers, less fuel/tyre management rookies could make it to F1 with the unlimited testing, the V10’s were mesmerizing and running on 20000 rpm …. Ferrari has earned that success and the majority of the fans were pleased if you don’t want to watch Micheal you can actually watch Fernando,Kimi, Pablo, Jenson and the other guys fighting, in the recent years if the leader is so far in the lead you will get bored because anyone else is saving engine,fuel, tyres …
    The point is the fans want to see battles on the track no one complained about 1988 when McLaren had arguably the most dominant car in the history because there were real battles on the track, it is true that F1 is becoming more and more boring and artificial something all the fans despite their differences agree with but it was better in my opinion for Ferrari to veto these regulations before they were introduced like they vetoed the 4 cylinders engines ???

    1. You would be completely different if Fernando was about to get a 3rd WC. And no just no dont judge afet 2 raaces these lat few yrs were mucch better than the 2000’s. Your just a Ferrari fan who liked it. Their was no one even close to MSch for a lot of his carear now we have some greats in the sport.

      1. So many typos their

  5. Don’t think only Ferrari is complaining on the current state of formula 1.

  6. That’s how being at the front feels like, Lewis. Be careful what you fish for ;)

  7. I didn’t know Ferrari is now a RESEARCH company on F1 formats.

    Ridiculous what desperation can lead to…… :D

  8. I don’t understand the apology. It is allowed in the sport. We don’t like it but who cares, apparently. It’s not like they downsized the engine, invented crazy gimmicks or destroyed the sport in total.

    1. That is because you probably agree that team orders are perfectly fine. Williams as a team has always liked to see their drivers racing fair and square and suddenly using TO does not fit with what the team stands for and what the fans and supporters expect of it. Not to mention that the way they did it must have hit Massa hard too.

  9. Two provocative titles about Ferrari in a row! Lovin’ it!

    Keith why so harsh with Ferrari? Didn’t get enough gadget from their press office? :D

  10. How is F1 expected to get casual viewers when everything is behind a paywalll? Even if someone watches it FTA on the BBC, half the races aren’t live and the others will be spoiled unless you take extraordinary steps to avoid seeing the results. It’s easier just to ignore it and looks like many people are doing just that.

    1. Most Premier League matches are only live on Sky/BT, but viewers can watch highlights on Match of the Day, hours after the event, taking “extraordinary steps to avoid seeing the results”.

      There are also no highlights of Wednesday UEFA Champions League games in the UK.

  11. No way will he be allowed to race without water onboard. The legal ramifications are massive. This is just to make a point, he’ll have fluid for the race.

  12. shame F1 just didn’t remove the double diffuser shorten the front wing reduce the revs and the amount of fuel and increase the weight of the old V8 cars so anyone that wanted to stay with the old format could of,
    this way the new V6 car would have gone flying passed the V8s down the straight and just maybe the V6s are passed by the V8s going around the corners,
    unfair i guess, but just maybe that is how it should have been integrated, instead of a total change over.

  13. Ferrari complaining because they are not winning… and you were not??

    I seem to remember a certain team by the name of Mercedes not being all that happy at approximately the same time last year. I also seem to remember a lot of complaining and a little secret tire test after which things changed quite a bit.

    Oh, I pre-apologize for bringing this up. Please forgive me for not remembering that Mercedes is not an evil super-villain like Ferrari….

  14. People are putting the Ferrari poll in the spotlight, it’s nothing. People always do this because they are a scapegoat. It’s obvious Ferrari fans and casual fans are not liking F1 better at the moment but I don’t think it is time to go haywire. I like it.

  15. It’s Ferrari’s fault if they can’t win. They are really an average team now. Besides, they have made no progress with their cars since 2009 despite their big budget. That’s what they get for not putting any effort in their cars. They can only win because of Fernando and Kimi. They shouldn’t be whining right now they should be taking action. Besides, actions speak louder than words. Typical Ferrari…

  16. It’s a bit of a concern at the moment, the way that aspects of the sport are governed. I don’t see how it is a good idea to basically require unanimous consent amongst the drivers on matters of safety – specifically on the point of driver weight. Little drivers like Massa are never going to want to give up the advantage their weight gives them. They’re competitors, unable to see beyond their narrow self interests. It needs the FIA to simply step in on the grounds of safety and impose better (any) rules about driver weights. Because this current situation is getting dangerous, and it’s not the way the sport should be going.

  17. I think there is a safety issue about braking with the new hybrid power train systems. There have been at least three incidents where dangerous and erratic braking, way outside the drivers control has happened. There seems to be a less than seemless join between energy harvesting braking and conventional braking. Cars suddenly twitching sideways under braking for no driver related reason. If I’m right and this is the case then it is predictable that this issue will cause a nasty accident. (It nearly did at least once already with Kobayashi)

  18. one thing about bahrain that came out is that the ferrari is totally rubbiish. it pains me to say

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