F1′s new engines could reduce its appeal – Vettel

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Sebastian Vettel, Red Bull, Bahrain International Circuit, 2014In the round-up: Sebastian Vettel renews his criticism of F1′s new engine formula.

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Vettel erneuert Kritik an Formel-1-Technikrevolution (Focus, German)

“We are a sport that is famous for being loud and dangerous. We run the risk of losing the essence of motor sport.”

Mercedes enlist help of psychologist (The Telegraph)

Lewis Hamilton’s Mercedes team have turned to the sports psychologist credited with helping the All Blacks [New Zealand rugby team] overcome their reputation as serial World Cup chokers, in a bid to maintain their dominant start to the season.”

Lauda: ’14 F1 domination a tougher job (Autosport)

“If you have shi*** engines like last year, and nine races in a row like Vettel, to finish all of them, this is easy. But to do the same now, with four races in a row, I think is an outstanding performance.”

Hätte Leimer für 25 Millionen bei Sauber fahren können? (Blick, German)

Reigning GP2 champion Fabio Leimer is claimed to have offered Sauber 12 million Swiss francs (£8.1m) for a drive this year but one of their current drivers Esteban Gutierrez is paying £16.9m.

Video – the Formula One steering wheel, 2014 style (F1)

“As a result of 2014′s substantial regulation changes, steering wheels have evolved significantly this season. Here we take a look at the differences between Ferrari’s 2013 and 2014 models.”

Nigel Stepney obituary (The Guardian)

“Recruited by the English chief designer, John Barnard, to help pull a demoralised outfit together, he moved into a house in the hills above Maranello, the team’s base, and quickly discovered that Ferrari’s capomeccanico enjoyed a status similar to that of other teams’ star drivers. An instant celebrity, he found that he was seldom required to pay for a drink or a meal.”

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It took crazy guts to do that. Just as in his driving, Lewis’s decision was immaculate and he should win the drivers’ championship for that decision alone…

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Alain Prost extended his lead over Derek Warwick in the world championship with victory in the San Marino Grand Prix 30 years ago today.

Warwick’s Renault was classified fourth behind Elio de Angelis, who ran out of fuel on the final lap, and the second-placed Ferrari of Rene Arnoux.

This was the only race of his F1 career that Ayrton Senna failed to qualify for. Tyre supplier Pirelli had blocked them from participating in the first day of practice, aware the team was about to switch to rivals Michelin. A technical glitch on Saturday prevented Senna for qualifying for what would have been his fourth F1 start.

So the race got away without him – and very nearly Keke Rosberg as well, who got away slowly for the second race in a row:

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157 comments on F1′s new engines could reduce its appeal – Vettel

  1. Kingshark (@kingshark) said on 6th May 2014, 3:55

    Did Red Bull want the V10 engines back when they were dominating in the later phases of the V8 era?

    RBR really need to stop whining about engines, they are by far the worst losers F1 has ever came across. Not even Ferrari’s complaints about tyres in 2005 was anywhere near this obnoxious.

  2. Bruno (@brunes) said on 6th May 2014, 3:55

    When Mercedes dominates it is harder than ever before, when Hamilton has the best car and wins 3 in a row is because he is a great driver.
    When it was Red Bull, it was easy, Vettel had the fastest car, they cheated overspent and were politic rats.

    Mercedes and Hamilton = JOKE

  3. andae23 (@andae23) said on 6th May 2014, 7:00

    “Wir sind eine Sportart, die dafür berühmt ist, laut und gefährlich zu sein. Wir laufen Gefahr, den Kern des Motorsports und unsere Traditionen zu verlieren.”
    “We are a sport which is known for being loud and dangerous. We’re in danger of loosing motorsport’s core and our traditions.”

    Here’s a piece Joe Saward wrote yesterday in response to Vettel’s criticism, and I completely agree with him (for once).

    Vettel’s comments (not explicitly in the Focus article) are very shallow and short-sighted. There’s a reason why F1 switched to V6 Turbo engines and that’s road-relevance. Mercedes has already produced some brilliant ads this year – it’s of course a bit exaggerated, but at least now Mercedes is able to sale their cars through F1.

    In my opinion, motorsport is in danger of loosing its core values, but that has more to do with things like making the rules overcomplicated or having ridiculous amounts of staff, not engine noise or the fact that the engines don’t have 1000 bhp (seriously Vettel, that’s a ridiculous argument – in the 1950s, Fangio was 4-wheel drifting cars with less than 300 bhp).

    • Dave (@raceprouk) said on 6th May 2014, 9:47

      motorsport is in danger of loosing its core values

      Not all motorsport, just F1.

      If Vettel wants 1000hp and screaming engines, there’s always the TS040 in the WEC :-)

    • Andrei (@crandreico) said on 6th May 2014, 12:53

      @andae23 Seriously people, you have to stop with the road relevance BS, because it’s just not true: the only thing that occurs to me the F1 contributed to your everyday car is the safety test (the Euro NCAP), the engine oils, active suspension and little to nothing more.

      • andae23 (@andae23) said on 6th May 2014, 12:57

        @crandreico True, but the customers don’t need to know that, do they? As long the cars have systems similar to F1 cars (so hybrid power, turbo-charged), the car companies can sell their cars claiming that ‘F1 technology’ is being used.

        • Andrei (@crandreico) said on 7th May 2014, 19:10

          @andae23 Marketing is a powerful tool, isn’t it? That just doesn’t change the fact that F1 contributed very little to road cars technology. For god sakes, even this year they incorporated direct injection, when my neighbour’s 2000 Renault already had it.

      • matt90 (@matt90) said on 6th May 2014, 13:53

        But if the engines weren’t road relevant, the manufacturers would leave F1. Mercedes and Renault seemed to be losing interest before. Not only are they staying, Honda are joining. F1 should indeed be road relevant- when it’s necessary to ensure the series’ survival at least.

      • JackJ said on 6th May 2014, 15:26

        Wrong Andrei. Technologies developed in F1 spills outside of road cars as well. I saw a video about a talk that had James Allen, Nick Fry, Joe Saward and a few others and they explained (responding to a question) that F1 technologies helped hospitals manage patient flow, build faster refuelling rigs for aircrafts, improved energy recovery system for trucks and buses etc. It’s not all about road cars.

        • Andrei (@crandreico) said on 7th May 2014, 18:52

          I was only refering to the road cars. On the real world, I know that F1 contributed to some things (such as logistics for example), but still, the innovations can be counted with both hands (if not with only one).

  4. GeeMac (@geemac) said on 6th May 2014, 7:10

    The people who are bashing the new engine formula, Red Bull and Ferrari, are doing so for reasons that are so thinly disguised that it is now becoming a bit of a joke. They are knocking the rules because Mercedes have got one up on them at this stage and they don’t like it. To quote a prominent F1 figure, “tough luck”. Do a better job.

  5. Makana (@makana) said on 6th May 2014, 7:36

    I am a Vettel fan, honest, he’s my number one driver, but enough already! This is becoming his Nicole :D

  6. Mick said on 6th May 2014, 7:56

    The new formula seems to have been a success this year so far so form the point of view of watching on the T.V all seems well and good. However the issue about engine sound is all about race going fans. The race itself is only a small part of the reason to go for the weekend as lets face it from wherever you sit you can only see one small part of the track, the rest of the time your’e looking for a large screen to watch. The reason most people I speak to go (including myself) is for the whole atmosphere and a big part of that atmosphere is the sound these cars made. So the problem you’ve got is if enough people decide that the atmosphere is sufficiently diminished enough to decide not to bother paying out the thousands they do to go (this year I’ve spent £4k on tickets, travel & hotels for my son and I for 2 races) and this has a big enough effect on the tracks income you could find venues deciding it’s not worth hosting a race (lets face it if Silverstone lost 25% or so of it’s gate receipts it would be in serious trouble) and that could be real problems for F1. Lets face it you ask any race goer to describe F1 and probably the first think that are going to say is “you’ve got to hear one they sound awesome”. People need to start thinking about what the sport needs as a whole and like it or not the sound is a big part of what F1 needs.

  7. Jason (@jason12) said on 6th May 2014, 8:38

    Hahahahaha!
    Seb trying to pull the tyre’s tactic he used last year.
    This is just making him look silly and desperate.

    RIC is the man in that team.

  8. montreal95 (@montreal95) said on 6th May 2014, 8:47

    I don’t entirely agree with Seb, I’m in fact more inclined to think that these new engines were inevitable(even if I want V12′s and V10′s). But I’m completely baffled at all those who are bashing Seb, who gives his honest answers to questions journos are asking him regarding a contentious issue on which a very many F1 fans, who are not SV or RBR fans agree with him

    You disagree with him, fine, but respect his opinion. Those who cannot respect the opinions of others are unworthy of respect themselves

    P.S. Taki Inoue is the best there is, was or ever will be! :)

  9. Mick said on 6th May 2014, 8:52

    The new formula seems to have been a success this year so far form the point of view of watching on the T.V therefore all seems well and good. However the issue about engine sound is all about race going fans. The race itself is only a small part of the reason to go for the weekend as lets face it from wherever you sit you can only see one small part of the track, the rest of the time your’e looking for a large screen to watch. The reason most people I speak to go (including myself) is for the whole atmosphere and a big part of that atmosphere is the sound these cars made. So the problem you’ve got is if enough people decide that the atmosphere is sufficiently diminished enough to decide not to bother paying out the thousands they do to go (this year I’ve spent £4k on tickets, travel & hotels for my son and I for 2 races) and this has a big enough effect on the tracks income you could find venues deciding it’s not worth hosting a race (lets face it if Silverstone lost 25% or so of it’s gate receipts it would be in serious trouble) and that could be real problems for F1. Lets face it you ask any race goer to describe F1 probably the first thing that are going to say is “you’ve got to hear one they sound awesome”. People need to start thinking about what the sport needs as a whole and like it or not the sound is a big part of what F1 needs.

  10. Adam Hardwick (@fluxsource) said on 6th May 2014, 9:19

    I do wish that some people would remember what this sport is. A sport. The “essence” F1 is one of competition. Constructor vs constructor, driver vs driver. The sound? The appearance of the cars? the grumbling and whining about rules? Meaningless and irrelevant. All these trappings to make it more entertaining are just to make the organisers more money.

    A couple of races a season like Bahrain and I’ll consider that F1 is in rude health. The rest of the time, I personally take pleasure in using the timing app to watch the battles that aren’t as obvious in the TV.

    Grumble over (for now)

  11. Wessel (@wessel-v1) said on 6th May 2014, 10:19

    I heard Inoue was in the running to get a testing seat at McLaren to test the new engine for next year.

    Aaaaand it’s gone.

  12. sato113 (@sato113) said on 6th May 2014, 10:24

    LOL at Taki’s tweet. although the Honda BTCC isn’t doing too badly is it?

  13. Osvaldas31 (@osvaldas31) said on 6th May 2014, 10:34

    I disagree with COTD.

    Even though Mercedes were nowhere at the end of 2012 (when Hamilton made a decision to join them), but I would’ve done the same intead of him (I thought this the day he signed Mercedes). Mclaren were always fast, but they were lacking mentality of championship winning team, they were not putting everything together and making lots of mistakes, so it was useless to stay there any longer.

    Meanwhile Mercedes were really restructuring and luring some big names. The fact alone that Brawn was leading the team would’ve been enough to join them, especially considering big regulation changes were coming in 2014, and we all know Brawn is a ‘specialist’ in regulation changes. Although Brawn has retired, it is him who put the team in a position, that it’s enjoying now.

  14. Feuerdrache (@xenomorph91) said on 6th May 2014, 10:53

    You do realise Seb is only answering to the media? If his opinion did not change, why should he say something different? Isn’t that what certain people asked for? Drivers that voice their opinion.

    In the case that the media will ask him another 20 times the same question and he would give 20 times the same answer: Would you then be 20 times annoyed and write here about Seb being a “bad loser”?

    Once he would say: “You asked this now 7 times already, you already know my answer.” Then he would be seen as rude on this forum and people would probably claim Ricciardo beating him is getting under his skin.

    And don’t say, he’s the only one voicing his opinion about the loudness of the engine. If there wouldn’t be an issue: Why would GP organisers say there should be something done with the noise? Why would supporters say F1 isn’t loud enough anymore? Why would Toto Wolff try to make his engines louder (ironically he contradicts his team mate Niki Lauda with that)?

  15. Hotbottoms (@hotbottoms) said on 6th May 2014, 13:09

    Regarding CotD:
    I’m one of many who thought back in 2012 that Hamilton made a big mistake by leaving McLaren. Obviously Lewis has proved me wrong and he deserves credit for his brilliant move.

    But still, I think we have to put things into perspective. Hamilton has dominated Formula One for four races now. Vettel dominated the sport for four years. Given how much people doubt Vettel, I think it’s bizarre how much Hamilton is praised for winning three races in an utterly dominant car. Sure, you could argue that Vettel had the best car during all his four WDCs, but I don’t think Vettel ever had (even in 2011 or 2013) as dominant car as Hamilton has now.

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