F1’s new engines could reduce its appeal – Vettel

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Sebastian Vettel, Red Bull, Bahrain International Circuit, 2014In the round-up: Sebastian Vettel renews his criticism of F1’s new engine formula.

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Vettel erneuert Kritik an Formel-1-Technikrevolution (Focus, German)

“We are a sport that is famous for being loud and dangerous. We run the risk of losing the essence of motor sport.”

Mercedes enlist help of psychologist (The Telegraph)

Lewis Hamilton’s Mercedes team have turned to the sports psychologist credited with helping the All Blacks [New Zealand rugby team] overcome their reputation as serial World Cup chokers, in a bid to maintain their dominant start to the season.”

Lauda: ’14 F1 domination a tougher job (Autosport)

“If you have shi*** engines like last year, and nine races in a row like Vettel, to finish all of them, this is easy. But to do the same now, with four races in a row, I think is an outstanding performance.”

Hätte Leimer für 25 Millionen bei Sauber fahren können? (Blick, German)

Reigning GP2 champion Fabio Leimer is claimed to have offered Sauber 12 million Swiss francs (£8.1m) for a drive this year but one of their current drivers Esteban Gutierrez is paying £16.9m.

Video – the Formula One steering wheel, 2014 style (F1)

“As a result of 2014’s substantial regulation changes, steering wheels have evolved significantly this season. Here we take a look at the differences between Ferrari’s 2013 and 2014 models.”

Nigel Stepney obituary (The Guardian)

“Recruited by the English chief designer, John Barnard, to help pull a demoralised outfit together, he moved into a house in the hills above Maranello, the team’s base, and quickly discovered that Ferrari’s capomeccanico enjoyed a status similar to that of other teams’ star drivers. An instant celebrity, he found that he was seldom required to pay for a drink or a meal.”

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157 comments on F1’s new engines could reduce its appeal – Vettel

  1. Mick said on 6th May 2014, 7:56

    The new formula seems to have been a success this year so far so form the point of view of watching on the T.V all seems well and good. However the issue about engine sound is all about race going fans. The race itself is only a small part of the reason to go for the weekend as lets face it from wherever you sit you can only see one small part of the track, the rest of the time your’e looking for a large screen to watch. The reason most people I speak to go (including myself) is for the whole atmosphere and a big part of that atmosphere is the sound these cars made. So the problem you’ve got is if enough people decide that the atmosphere is sufficiently diminished enough to decide not to bother paying out the thousands they do to go (this year I’ve spent £4k on tickets, travel & hotels for my son and I for 2 races) and this has a big enough effect on the tracks income you could find venues deciding it’s not worth hosting a race (lets face it if Silverstone lost 25% or so of it’s gate receipts it would be in serious trouble) and that could be real problems for F1. Lets face it you ask any race goer to describe F1 and probably the first think that are going to say is “you’ve got to hear one they sound awesome”. People need to start thinking about what the sport needs as a whole and like it or not the sound is a big part of what F1 needs.

  2. Jason (@jason12) said on 6th May 2014, 8:38

    Hahahahaha!
    Seb trying to pull the tyre’s tactic he used last year.
    This is just making him look silly and desperate.

    RIC is the man in that team.

  3. montreal95 (@montreal95) said on 6th May 2014, 8:47

    I don’t entirely agree with Seb, I’m in fact more inclined to think that these new engines were inevitable(even if I want V12’s and V10’s). But I’m completely baffled at all those who are bashing Seb, who gives his honest answers to questions journos are asking him regarding a contentious issue on which a very many F1 fans, who are not SV or RBR fans agree with him

    You disagree with him, fine, but respect his opinion. Those who cannot respect the opinions of others are unworthy of respect themselves

    P.S. Taki Inoue is the best there is, was or ever will be! :)

  4. Mick said on 6th May 2014, 8:52

    The new formula seems to have been a success this year so far form the point of view of watching on the T.V therefore all seems well and good. However the issue about engine sound is all about race going fans. The race itself is only a small part of the reason to go for the weekend as lets face it from wherever you sit you can only see one small part of the track, the rest of the time your’e looking for a large screen to watch. The reason most people I speak to go (including myself) is for the whole atmosphere and a big part of that atmosphere is the sound these cars made. So the problem you’ve got is if enough people decide that the atmosphere is sufficiently diminished enough to decide not to bother paying out the thousands they do to go (this year I’ve spent £4k on tickets, travel & hotels for my son and I for 2 races) and this has a big enough effect on the tracks income you could find venues deciding it’s not worth hosting a race (lets face it if Silverstone lost 25% or so of it’s gate receipts it would be in serious trouble) and that could be real problems for F1. Lets face it you ask any race goer to describe F1 probably the first thing that are going to say is “you’ve got to hear one they sound awesome”. People need to start thinking about what the sport needs as a whole and like it or not the sound is a big part of what F1 needs.

  5. Adam Hardwick (@fluxsource) said on 6th May 2014, 9:19

    I do wish that some people would remember what this sport is. A sport. The “essence” F1 is one of competition. Constructor vs constructor, driver vs driver. The sound? The appearance of the cars? the grumbling and whining about rules? Meaningless and irrelevant. All these trappings to make it more entertaining are just to make the organisers more money.

    A couple of races a season like Bahrain and I’ll consider that F1 is in rude health. The rest of the time, I personally take pleasure in using the timing app to watch the battles that aren’t as obvious in the TV.

    Grumble over (for now)

  6. Wessel (@wessel-v1) said on 6th May 2014, 10:19

    I heard Inoue was in the running to get a testing seat at McLaren to test the new engine for next year.

    Aaaaand it’s gone.

  7. sato113 (@sato113) said on 6th May 2014, 10:24

    LOL at Taki’s tweet. although the Honda BTCC isn’t doing too badly is it?

  8. Osvaldas31 (@osvaldas31) said on 6th May 2014, 10:34

    I disagree with COTD.

    Even though Mercedes were nowhere at the end of 2012 (when Hamilton made a decision to join them), but I would’ve done the same intead of him (I thought this the day he signed Mercedes). Mclaren were always fast, but they were lacking mentality of championship winning team, they were not putting everything together and making lots of mistakes, so it was useless to stay there any longer.

    Meanwhile Mercedes were really restructuring and luring some big names. The fact alone that Brawn was leading the team would’ve been enough to join them, especially considering big regulation changes were coming in 2014, and we all know Brawn is a ‘specialist’ in regulation changes. Although Brawn has retired, it is him who put the team in a position, that it’s enjoying now.

  9. Feuerdrache (@xenomorph91) said on 6th May 2014, 10:53

    You do realise Seb is only answering to the media? If his opinion did not change, why should he say something different? Isn’t that what certain people asked for? Drivers that voice their opinion.

    In the case that the media will ask him another 20 times the same question and he would give 20 times the same answer: Would you then be 20 times annoyed and write here about Seb being a “bad loser”?

    Once he would say: “You asked this now 7 times already, you already know my answer.” Then he would be seen as rude on this forum and people would probably claim Ricciardo beating him is getting under his skin.

    And don’t say, he’s the only one voicing his opinion about the loudness of the engine. If there wouldn’t be an issue: Why would GP organisers say there should be something done with the noise? Why would supporters say F1 isn’t loud enough anymore? Why would Toto Wolff try to make his engines louder (ironically he contradicts his team mate Niki Lauda with that)?

  10. Hotbottoms (@hotbottoms) said on 6th May 2014, 13:09

    Regarding CotD:
    I’m one of many who thought back in 2012 that Hamilton made a big mistake by leaving McLaren. Obviously Lewis has proved me wrong and he deserves credit for his brilliant move.

    But still, I think we have to put things into perspective. Hamilton has dominated Formula One for four races now. Vettel dominated the sport for four years. Given how much people doubt Vettel, I think it’s bizarre how much Hamilton is praised for winning three races in an utterly dominant car. Sure, you could argue that Vettel had the best car during all his four WDCs, but I don’t think Vettel ever had (even in 2011 or 2013) as dominant car as Hamilton has now.

  11. Stephen Crowsen (@drycrust) said on 6th May 2014, 13:12

    I think Vettel has overlooked the fact that for most F1 fans a race is seen on TV, not from a seat at the circuit. Whether he likes it or not, a TV has a dynamic sound limitation, the viewers do not and will not get the full dynamic range of a F1 circuit. If they were to get the full dynamic range then they and all their neighbours would need hearing protection. Since most people will watch either all or nearly all the races on TV, then how loud the sound of a V6 engine is compared to a V8 or a V10 engine is irrelevant, what is relevant is the sound is recorded for broadcast at or close to the maximum allowed for TV, which could easily be the same as most TV adverts.
    To me, the biggest hindrence to F1 being watched by lots of people on TV is pay TV, not how loud the V6 engine is. If the owners of F1 want to sell the rights to pay TV companies, then F1 competitors need to accept that a percentage of their potential audience won’t be watching the race live. My guess, based on what I’ve seen here in New Zealand, is at least 80% of the potential audience won’t be watching. As far as I can tell, most people in New Zealand wouldn’t be able to pick out who last year’s F1 champion driver is, in fact they are more likely to pick the Australian V8 SuperCars champion or the NASCAR champion (both of which are Free to Air) than the F1 champion.
    If Vettel wants F1 to be popular viewing then make he should lobby for it to be free to air.

    • BlueChris (@bluechris) said on 6th May 2014, 13:47

      Well no… i tell you that in my home all neigbors really know when im watching F1. Offcourse TV is nowhere near but with specific config of sound and with wife and kid out of home always when F1 is on TV i enjoy the sound in home also :)

    • Mick said on 6th May 2014, 15:11

      You’re forgetting that whilst most people do watch on the TV, if the race going fans stay away the circuits may feel the cost required to host the race is not worth paying and no venues means no racing and that means no F1.

  12. Chris (@tophercheese21) said on 6th May 2014, 14:52

    Okay Seb, enough’s enough.

    We know you don’t like the new regulations, mainly because your Renault power pack stinks, but you don’t have to keep campaigning about it.

    Just get on with it, and try to make the best of a bad situation. Something you’ve not had to do for the last 4 years.

  13. uan (@uan) said on 6th May 2014, 17:18

    Not to interrupt all the Vettel bashing, but no one seems to be bothered by Lauda’s comments in Autosport? I enjoy Lauda and his spiel, but if he truly believes what he says, that it’s harder to dominate the first 4 races in 2014 than to win 9 in a row at the end of 5 years of pretty stable regulations, all I can say is that he’s full “..it”. Especially since Merc gave themselves the longest runway to develop their car and engine for this year (sacrificing development in other years).

    Fair play to Mercedes, and mighty impressive. But Lauda really comes across as self serving and egotistical. He also swears a lot. I wonder if he will be held to a higher standard as a 3x WDC and co-head of Mercedes F1, or does Todt (for one) only reserve that for 4x WDCs?

    Anyway, sorry for being OT, back to criticism of Vettel ….

    • aka_robyn said on 6th May 2014, 23:57

      @uan No worries — I think the fact that nearly every comment defending Vettel in any way has been roundly ignored indicates that you (we) are in no way interrupting the Vettel bashing. I’m sure you’re as relieved as I am! ;-)

  14. American f1 said on 6th May 2014, 17:32

    Of course the sound is a huge part of racing in any class from F1 to WEC, to WRC, to NASCAR. Does anyone really want to go to a track to watch a bunch of Nissan Leafs whistle around silently? We watch racing for the spectacle of man and machine pushed to the limits. We expect to witness something beyond what we drive to work every day and we as human beings experience the world through our senses, so yes, we want to see the cars rip around the track at impossible speed, we want to hear the roar/scream/rumble of the engines, we want to smell the fuel and burning rubber, and we want to feel the pressure of the cars as they fly by and feel the engines in our chests as they fire up in the pit lane and on the grid. Does anyone here watch any form of motorsport with the sound off on TV? Regardless of how popular it is to hate on Vettel, the man has a point.

  15. Uzair Syed (@ultimateuzair) said on 6th May 2014, 21:33

    Vettel always complaining when he’s not winning! I actually prefer the V6 turbo to the boring V8 used from 2009-2013. Of course, V12 and V10 are the best but we can’t always have what we want. Still, at least F1 is ever-evolving!

  16. SauberS1 (@saubers1) said on 6th May 2014, 22:29

    I don’t like these engines.

  17. DaveD (@daved) said on 7th May 2014, 1:39

    I must say that I’m disappointed in Seb to come off so whiney lately. I have been waiting for an opportunity for him to prove that he’s the great driver some claim he already is. I’ve always said we couldn’t tell because his car was so dominant. Now he has a chance to show how he can drive without the best car on the grid and he’s spent more time whining than trying to show his grit.
    I’m going to hope this is the media…cherry picking things he says to just get clicks on web pages…and see if Seb starts to focus on his driving.
    And I’m not trying to be down on Seb. I think he’s a good driver who very well may turn out to be great, but NOW is the time to step up and prove it then.

  18. Ron (@rcorporon) said on 7th May 2014, 13:24

    Lauda sure comes off as a ass in that article… but lets ensure clicks with a title that’s sure to start the anti-Seb circle-jerk!

  19. Patrick said on 7th May 2014, 19:39

    I do not believe the new power units will drive fans away – if anything does, it will be the endless boring high speed parades around Tilkedromes with no wheel-to-wheel racing.

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