‘I wish you could see Rosberg’s data’ – Hamilton

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Nico Rosberg, Mercedes, Monte-Carlo, 2014In the round-up: Lewis Hamilton raises suspicions over Nico Rosberg’s driving at Mirabeau when he went off the track during qualifying at Monaco.

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Lewis Hamilton and Nico Rosberg relationship hits new low in Monaco (The Guardian)

“I wish you could have seen the data. I saw something late on last night and all I could do was smile.”

Hamilton-Rosberg feud began before Monaco (The Telegraph)

Toto Wolff on Hamilton and Rosberg using powerful engine settings when they are not permitted to: “It’s never going to happen again. I think they are probably exploring how far you can step above the line and what the consequences are. But isn’t that normal?”

Rosberg keen to avoid Prost/Senna end (ESPN)

“He said in the press conference that it’s been turned around, saying that he thinks he has the most passion, or whatever, from his childhood. He didn’t talk so much about me he just was mentioning himself and that’s what he said in the press conference.”

Flavio Briatore backs Azerbaijan Grand Prix in Baku as an ‘F1 kind of place’ (The Independent)

“I have a lot of friends there (in Baku), have had for many, many years, and we hope it happens in 2015.”

Ecclestone rules out French GP return (Autosport)

“They are knocking on the door, but I don’t think we can do that.”

Pirelli F1 tyres too hard – Alonso (BBC)

“When they bring normal tyres with good grip, we finish the tyre in two or three laps. When they bring harder tyres we finish the tyre in eight or nine laps but we go very slow.”

Alonso sure Bianchi has a great career ahead of him (Reuters)

“Hopefully with this result he can have a more competitive car next year and show his talent even more.”

Mercedes W05 – new front-wing endplate (F1)

“Despite their dominance, Mercedes keep developing their car in the hope of keeping their advantage for as long as possible.”

Where has the glamour gone? (James Moy)

“There is another type of Monaco Chav. The ones that sit on their boats, hugely overweight, surrounded by pretty Russian hookers whilst blasting out RnB at full volume. The ‘nouveau riche’ Chav.”

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294 comments on ‘I wish you could see Rosberg’s data’ – Hamilton

  1. alexf1man (@alexf1man) said on 27th May 2014, 7:22

    Also on this day: Michael Schumacher’s Rascasse moment in the 2006 Monaco GP Qualifying session, which put him to the back of the grid; the 2007 and 2012 Monaco GPs – both were won for the second time by a driver (Alonso in 2007, Webber in 2012)!

  2. Craig Woollard (@craig-o) said on 27th May 2014, 7:59

    They’re both being as bad as each other at the moment… I’m surprised Laura hasn’t bashed their heads together already.

  3. KaIIe (@kaiie) said on 27th May 2014, 8:19

    Some interesting comments regarding the collision between Kimi and Chilton: “Nobody talked about the safety car thing until I asked. They said we don’t know anything about it, and I said how can it be possible. Then One guy said we haven’t got anything from Charlie, then Charlie said that he told them, but these guys are telling me 10 minutes later that nobody said anything.”

    • BasCB (@bascb) said on 27th May 2014, 9:06

      Given that he had been unwell before the race, I guess that race must have been hard to drive for Kimi once the adrenalin of being in the top 5 wore off.

      But it sure is strange that we see Magnussen getting penalties handed to him for incidents in the first couple of laps all the time, but Chilton doesn’t get more than a reprimand (and only as a bit of an afterthought) for hitting Kimi when he is unlapping himself behind the SC. Surely there was no reason what so ever to push as they would have to wait for him to get by regardless of where it happened on track.

  4. Lucas Wilson (@full-throttle-f1) said on 27th May 2014, 8:45

    Thanks for the COTD @keithcollantine !

    Interestingly, I believe my first COTD was also about Marussia :-)

  5. Corrado (@corrado-dub) said on 27th May 2014, 8:57

    Well, HAM doesn’t seem to be such a nice/fair-play guy in reality… At the end of the year, we might see 2007 with different eyes: it wasn’t just ALO’s fault for the tensioned situation at McLaren in 2007.

    • Lewisiabamf (@lewisisabamf) said on 27th May 2014, 9:26

      Yes it was and Hamilton hasn’t done that much wrong this season expect for the engine mode in spain.

      • Asanator (@asanator) said on 27th May 2014, 11:54

        No It wasn’t, It all started in Hungary when Ham tried to cheat ALO out of track position in Qualifying!! God forbid you say that out loud in the UK though!

        He starts all this crying and finger-pointing whenever his team mates start showing him up, he even tried it with Jenson and I hope Nico takes the same tack that Jenson did, largely ignore/laugh it off leaving Lewis with nothing but having to take his ‘Talent’ to another team.

        • “It all started in Hungary when Ham tried to cheat ALO out of track position in Qualifying!!”

          No he never tried to cheat nothing, the team released him before Alonso, unbeknowns to them, Ferrari also released their cars right behind Alonso meaning Hamilton couldnt let Alonso through without letting both Ferraris through as well, which would have been detrimental to both him and the team. I can understand Alonso’s frustration at that moment because he dosnt have that knowledge at hand, but if you go watch the footage again, maybe you’ll understand how that situation arose.

          • Asanator said on 28th May 2014, 1:09

            Haha….of course he couldn’t! despite being told repeatedly to let ALO through by his own team!
            RAI was BEHIND ALO and HAM in Q3

            it was all about Fuel Credits and track position and HAM’s theft of both was the start of it all.

          • “RAI was BEHIND ALO and HAM in Q3″

            Erm, thats the point, Hamilton couldnt let Alonso through without letting Ferraris through, thats why he didn’t, it had _nothing_ to do with stopping Alonso himself.

  6. Jarnooo (@jarnooo) said on 27th May 2014, 9:14

    What Hamilton is doing is starting something that he cannot benefit from.

    Rosberg has that classic German mentality that won’t let anything phase him. Hamilton can talk about whatever he wants, as much as want to the media, but it won’t affect Rosberg one little bit. Hamilton on the other hand is the kind of person that will let these little things get to him. Remember how much his form was affected by his girl problems?

    Rosberg has started to gain an edge because of this and I have a feeling it could get a lot worse for Hamilton.

    • iFelix (@ifelix) said on 27th May 2014, 10:08

      totally agree!

    • Mayank (@mjf1fan) said on 27th May 2014, 10:15

      Even I had the same thoughts as you had. The more Hamilton will be dragging this controversy, the more he will be alienating himself from the team which might be hurtful for him in later stages of championship.

      All he is doing is making tense atmosphere in the garage and I’m sure people like to work in a good environment and not in a one where someone is always sulking and whining about things.

      If Hamilton thinks Rosberg cheated, he should respond to him on track by winning the next race which (luckily) happens to be Montreal – one of his favorite circuits.

    • petebaldwin (@petebaldwin) said on 27th May 2014, 11:18

      @jarnooo – I agree with what you say but I don’t think you can say “Rosberg is starting to gain an edge”

      Hamilton won 4 in a row and then following a highly controversial qualifying, there was no way for Hamilton to get past. His only real chance was at the pit stops but the safety car stopped that from happening.

      We’ll see in Canada where they are but I wouldn’t say Rosberg won comfortably and on a track where overtaking is possible, I think Hamilton would have beaten him.

      • Jarnooo (@jarnooo) said on 27th May 2014, 14:06

        I think that all this talk from Hamilton is showing that it’s getting to him. Rosberg is getting that edge through Hamilton losing it. I guessing I could have worded that better.

    • matt said on 27th May 2014, 13:28

      if it was a mistake,then that means nico made yet ANOTHER mistake in q3 while under pressure.alot of ppl are over looking this.lewis has moved on,he’ll get the win in canada.

    • AlokIn (@) said on 27th May 2014, 13:32

      Actually it is Nico who is cracking under pressure. He made mistake in China and here to in qualifying.
      Had he completed his last lap without this driver error then whole saga could have been avoided.

  7. iFelix (@ifelix) said on 27th May 2014, 9:46

    Rosberg is handling this with the appearance of a magnanimous gentleman in complete contrast to Hamilton.

    Let’s review the facts shall we? Between the pair, Hamilton is the proven liar (in Australia 2009 he

    lied

    to the stewards to get on the podium, then when his lie was detected he was disqualified but escaped a harsher punishment by writing an apology letter). Besides, it has emerged that he is the one who has also cheated in Spain and has apologized for it. He claims that Rosberg did the same in Bahrain, but so far nobody else has backed that claim.

    Now he is insinuating that the data obviously is showing that Rosberg did the lock-up, but between a proven liar and cheat and suspected one, I for one would not side with the liar and one who jumps to accusations (Jenson unfollowed me in Twitter?!). As Raikonnen and Alonso mentioned, only Nico knows if he did it on purpose or was a genuine accident.

    At any rate, I think the whole thing is suddenly destabilizing him completely and if can’t manage to beat Nico in Canada, even if it is totally out of his control e.g. an engine blow-out, his downward spiral would accelerate. If, however, Hamilton wins in Montreal, he probably can resume his mojo and drag himself out the self-created mess. If by then he also breaks up with Nicole again then it’s curtain down for the season (not that I wish that for any man) ;-)

    • JCost (@jcost) said on 27th May 2014, 11:09

      @ifelix

      He claims that Rosberg did the same in Bahrain, but so far nobody else has backed that claim.

      Sorry buddy, Mercedes has acknowledged it. Actually Nico dismissed any feud related to that…

      • iFelix (@ifelix) said on 27th May 2014, 11:31

        @jcost: can you show a link that Merc has admitted that Rosberg used the boost button? Everywhere I saw it was they say Hamilton did it, but the only reference to Bahrain is from Hamilton.
        As for Rosberg dismissal, he is trying to (or at least pretending to) to downplay the whole thing and as I said even he was incensed by the “boost” in Barcelona he didn’t show it. All these would help him (true or otherwise) to be seen as the more mature person within the team.

        • ShoponF (@shoponf) said on 27th May 2014, 13:00

          Neither Merc nor Rosberg disputed what Lewis has said about Rosberg’s use of boost button in Bahrain!!! At least I can’t recall seeing anything…

          • iFelix (@ifelix) said on 27th May 2014, 13:24

            @shoponf: of course they wouldn’t!!! That would be tantamount calling their driver a liar or deluded in public which hardly help defusing the row.
            Furthermore, if the Barcelona was a tit for tat in Bahrain there was no reason for apology, nor Niki would have put it like that: he would have said something like: “they have a history starting from Bahrain, and now it’s getting out of hand…”

            But Hamilton is used to making accusations based on his own perceptions and in proven cases downright lying to get his way.

          • ShoponF (@shoponf) said on 27th May 2014, 14:13

            @ifelix: “…deluded in public which hardly help defusing the row…”

            Why the heck Toto Wolff brings it up about Barcelona in the first place!!! It wasn’t in the public domain. TW started it…

          • JCost (@jcost) said on 27th May 2014, 14:25

            @shoponf Thank you.

            Rosberg was in the same room when one journalist raised this episode and did not dispute… c’mon @ifelix. I understand Lewis is not your fave driver, but he can’t be as bad as you trying (hard) to paint him.

          • iFelix (@ifelix) said on 27th May 2014, 14:46

            Rosberg was in the same room when one journalist raised this episode and did not dispute…

            @jcost: I have already addressed this point in my first sentence: “Rosberg is handling this with the appearance of a magnanimous gentleman…” (wh0o knows how authentic that is)
            It would be a terrible gesture of magnanimity to insinuate the Lewis is lying. He tried to deflect the question by saying “I don’t know what Niki is talking about…”

            And no I don’t want to display Lewis worse than he is, but I am incensed that his fans completely ignore his own short-coming and vilify mob-lynch his opponents for unproven offenses.

  8. Sujeeth (@sjct83) said on 27th May 2014, 10:47

    Toto Wolff ” Lewis Nico is faster than you”. Just want to know LH’s reaction after that.

  9. JCost (@jcost) said on 27th May 2014, 10:57

    James Moy post about the state of the Monaco GP is spot on. Glamour will always be associated with Monaco but there’s a gulf separating good taste and manageable dose of elitism from exacerbated show-off. That’s why I don’t fantasize about going to Monte Carlo for a GP. I’d rather pay twice as much to be part of a Tiffosi filled Autodormo Internazionale di Monza F1 race than mingle with drunk techno lovers and middle age millionaires with little interest in F1 but desperate to show-off their big boats and young female “friends”.

  10. petebaldwin (@petebaldwin) said on 27th May 2014, 11:16

    Whatever anyone thinks about Hamilton or Rosberg, I’m delighted they’ve fallen out! We were already in for a potentially brilliant season but it’s going to be epic now! Neither are going to give an inch and with both likely finishing 1st and 2nd in most races, there won’t be much to separate them. With double points at the end, it will almost definitely go to the last race.

  11. chris said on 27th May 2014, 11:19

    I’m losing respect for Hamilton pretty quickly.

    He just can’t stop whining.

  12. Colossal Squid (@colossal-squid) said on 27th May 2014, 11:46

    It’s a coy move on Hamilton’s part. He gets to play the downtrodden hero now, and turn the media against Rosberg, especially in the UK. The British media love their pantomime villans and this is perfect for them to have the narrative now become Hero Hamilton vs. Cheater Rosberg.

    I suspect he saw only what he wanted to see. There’s precedent here with Hamilton seeing what he wants to see at times – look at Belgium 2012 with the telemetry. He can also percieve slights where there are none – his tantrum over Jenson Button ‘unfollowing’ him on twitter after Hamilton signed for Mercedes, when in reality Button had never followed him at all.

    Furthermore he gets to say what he said with relative impunity. The telemetry will never be made public. Mercedes will not come out and say Hamilton is wrong as they’ll run the risk of upsetting their highly expensive driver and plunging the team into chaos by publicly saying he was wrong or lying. Rosberg can deny it all he wants, but Hamilton has raised doubts in peoples minds and nothing Rosberg can say will change them. Perception is everything.

    Hamilton is a hell of a driver. No question. But his easily bruised ego, petulant and childish behaviour and (to me) his need to always be seen as the burdened, struggling or conspired against hero means while I respect him for his awesome skills behind the wheel I have very little of the same for him when he steps out of the car.

    • Funkyf1 (@funkyf1) said on 27th May 2014, 12:13

      Well said +1

    • iFelix (@ifelix) said on 27th May 2014, 12:21

      I agree, but he has also created bad press for himself and he cares more about this stuff than the cerebral Rosberg.

    • “There’s precedent here with Hamilton seeing what he wants to see at times – look at Belgium 2012 with the telemetry.”

      There’s also precedent of people purposely stopping Hamilton completing his qualifying laps because they fear his speed.

      • Colossal Squid (@colossal-squid) said on 28th May 2014, 0:48

        The only thing I can remember where your statement is true is Hungary 2007, and if I remember correctly, before Alonso held up Hamilton in the pits, Hamilton himself had impeded Alonso on his flying lap. So your ‘precedent’ doesn’t hold much water when Hamilton had instigated the whole affair.

        You couldn’t possibly be referring to the events of last Saturday, where Rosberg was cleared of any wrongdoing by a panel of highly trained, experienced stewards with access to far more data and information than any of us. That would be preposterous and make for a rather weak argument.

      • “Hamilton had instigated the whole affair.”

        The situation arose because Hamilton couldn’t let Alonso through without letting Ferrari’s through as well, as they left the pits right behind Alonso, Hamilton couldn’t have known this was going to happen and made an instant judgement call based on the facts he saw at that given moment. Unfortunate situation at very best, not a cause to go purposly cheating your teammate out of doing _any_ final quali lap.

        “where Rosberg was cleared of any wrongdoing by a panel of highly trained, experienced stewards with access to far more data and information than any of us.”

        The stewards make bizarre decisions all the time, practically every race weekend theres debates being had about penalties or lack of them, the stewards are not perfect and they do make clangers, its interesting how much people big them up when they make a decision they agree with.

        My opinion on this matter is that they came to a quick decision because it was essentially a Merc vs Merc fight. Not because there wasnt any ambiguity in the evidence. Had Vettel been the one to cause those yellows in that manner, you can bet your very last penny Merc would have been in there to argue the contrary. You can be certain much more would have been made of the situation than actually was.

    • Rick said on 27th May 2014, 13:25

      Actually I believe what he cares about is winning and more importantly doing it fairly.

  13. Joaquin (@fat-tyre) said on 27th May 2014, 11:51

    Glamour can go to hell as far as I’m concerned.

  14. Funkyf1 (@funkyf1) said on 27th May 2014, 12:15

    “I wish you could see what you are doing”

  15. Paul2013 said on 27th May 2014, 12:41

    I really like Nico, I do not understand why Hamilton is not focus on comeptition instead of breaking the team.

  16. Ron (@rcorporon) said on 27th May 2014, 12:47

    I have some advice for Hamilton:

    Drive more, talk less.

    • How can he do that when people stop him driving? ;]

    • William Jones said on 27th May 2014, 21:51

      Sadly, we have limited tyres at races and limited testing, so he’ll probably just have to ignore your sage wisdom and drive just the same amount as he already is.

  17. matt said on 27th May 2014, 13:34

    all of us moan and complain when we are not happy about something.and lewis drove well in monaco,he stayed to within a second of nico for most the race.he didnt try any rash moves,and was controlled in his driving.it was actually nico who made the mistake in quali,ANOTHER mistake under pressure.nico got away with it this time tho.and this engine mode thing in barca,in a interview,when asked about it,nico said i dont know what NIKI is referring to.he said its normal to switch engine modes.

  18. Deb Luhi (@debeluhi) said on 27th May 2014, 13:34

    Hamilton had 4 wins in a row. In two of these races he “destroyed” Rosberg and in the other two he still managed to win although, in his mind, he had a slower car. That would be a big confidence boost for any driver. Then people (media) started asking themselves whether he can win the rest of the races. It appears Hamilton believed that he can do that, judging by the interviews before the last race.
    For a person obsessed to become one of the greats, I believe he already won all of the races in his mind. But then the Q3 happened.

  19. Klaas (@klaas) said on 27th May 2014, 15:28

    I don’t know if Rosberg cheated or not. But one thing is for sure – Nico could only beat HAM this season on 2 occasions:
    1. HAM had a car failure in Australia
    2. HAM was prevented to finish the lap for pole on a circuit where is VERY difficult to overtake (due to Nico’s mistake)
    HAM needs to get his act together and win in Montreal (like in the old days). Seven years ago at Monaco people were falling for this “victim” stuff, but now nobody is buying his tantrums.

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