‘I wish you could see Rosberg’s data’ – Hamilton

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Nico Rosberg, Mercedes, Monte-Carlo, 2014In the round-up: Lewis Hamilton raises suspicions over Nico Rosberg’s driving at Mirabeau when he went off the track during qualifying at Monaco.

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Lewis Hamilton and Nico Rosberg relationship hits new low in Monaco (The Guardian)

“I wish you could have seen the data. I saw something late on last night and all I could do was smile.”

Hamilton-Rosberg feud began before Monaco (The Telegraph)

Toto Wolff on Hamilton and Rosberg using powerful engine settings when they are not permitted to: “It’s never going to happen again. I think they are probably exploring how far you can step above the line and what the consequences are. But isn’t that normal?”

Rosberg keen to avoid Prost/Senna end (ESPN)

“He said in the press conference that it’s been turned around, saying that he thinks he has the most passion, or whatever, from his childhood. He didn’t talk so much about me he just was mentioning himself and that’s what he said in the press conference.”

Flavio Briatore backs Azerbaijan Grand Prix in Baku as an ‘F1 kind of place’ (The Independent)

“I have a lot of friends there (in Baku), have had for many, many years, and we hope it happens in 2015.”

Ecclestone rules out French GP return (Autosport)

“They are knocking on the door, but I don’t think we can do that.”

Pirelli F1 tyres too hard – Alonso (BBC)

“When they bring normal tyres with good grip, we finish the tyre in two or three laps. When they bring harder tyres we finish the tyre in eight or nine laps but we go very slow.”

Alonso sure Bianchi has a great career ahead of him (Reuters)

“Hopefully with this result he can have a more competitive car next year and show his talent even more.”

Mercedes W05 – new front-wing endplate (F1)

“Despite their dominance, Mercedes keep developing their car in the hope of keeping their advantage for as long as possible.”

Where has the glamour gone? (James Moy)

“There is another type of Monaco Chav. The ones that sit on their boats, hugely overweight, surrounded by pretty Russian hookers whilst blasting out RnB at full volume. The ‘nouveau riche’ Chav.”

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I am a big Marussia fan so seeing them celebrate like they won the race was so special it almost brought a tear to the eye. It was not a points scoring occasion like in the past where a Jordan or perhaps a Minardi would only get in the points because of the high attrition rate that used to happen during races in the past. They did a better job on the weekend than the other teams, Marussia have built a reliable car, obviously got the strategy right on race day, Bianchi did everything he could dragging that car into the points, a brilliant overtake on Kobayashi all culminated in a fantastic weekend for them.
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294 comments on ‘I wish you could see Rosberg’s data’ – Hamilton

  1. bull mello (@bullmello) said on 27th May 2014, 2:47

    My most persistent regret in regards to F1, and racing in general, is the untimely death of Jim Clark. Not only did the world lose one of the best race drivers ever, we also lost a true gentleman. As a 10 year old kid in the mid-1960′s I found Jim Clark to be a hero on track and off. He set the bar quite high for all future race car driver comparisons for me. There are few in his league talent and character-wise.

    There are many stories and legends in F1 where truth may be stranger than fiction. There is nothing wrong with different personalities and a colorful history. I celebrate James Hunt as being a great talent and a fascinating character. The stories of today make up the history of tomorrow.

    But, there is absolutely nothing wrong with drivers of today emulating Jim Clark on or off track. Especially off track in Lewis Hamilton’s case. On track he is as good this season as he ever has been. For the first part of the season he seemed to concentrating all his focus onto racing. Now he thinks he’s playing mind games that are helping him beat Rosberg. If that’s what he really believes, it is delusional. He’s really playing right into the insatiable clutches of media spin where he is doomed to be endlessly surfing tornados.

    What is wrong with just shutting up off track, and proving your points on track? The constant ever sharpening drama is somewhat entertaining, but ever so childish. The focus now is more on the sad soap opera, not his 4 wins so far. What would Lewis most like to be remembered for, his words, or his accomplishments on track? It’s his choice, the world is watching.

    • HoHum (@hohum) said on 27th May 2014, 3:09

      Let’s hope he is reading @F1fanatic and accepts your excellent advice @bullmello

    • f1freek (@f1freek) said on 27th May 2014, 3:42

      +1 If F1 is the pinnacle of motor sport then the drivers should be the ones setting the example on and off the track to those in junior formulas. What happened to the camaraderie between drivers such as Graham, Hill, Clark… those men raced hard and perhaps more aggressive than by today’s standards. Some say there are no friends in F1 but to me that just kills the whole origin of this sport; a couple of guys getting together on weekends to race the hell out of each other.

    • Colossal Squid (@colossal-squid) said on 27th May 2014, 12:02

      I agree. Great insight. Hamilton runs the risk of tearing himself apart by his actions.

    • JCost (@jcost) said on 27th May 2014, 14:12

      In the end, Lewis is not the only one making too much out of. We really see balanced comments advising Lewis to reserve his frustrations whether their justified or not and then we see loads of people predicting Lewis has broken down and Nico has the upper hand now. Lewis actually finished second in the streets of Monte Carlo, a place where overtaking a car in equal terms is almost impossible. Jenson Button thinks he will be stronger than ever in Canada.

      He did nothing stupid or wrong in the process of trying winning the Monaco GP. I think he’s just fine guys.

      • bull mello (@bullmello) said on 27th May 2014, 16:16

        @jcost – Very good points. The drama has taken on a life of its own. The real proof of his mettle is on track results and you are correct, nothing lacking there this season so far.

        In the past the perception has been that his off track emotions have affected his on track performance at times. I believe Lewis even eluded to that himself. I hope for his sake that him contributing to the media feeding frenzy doesn’t come back to bite him. It all just seems so unnecessary. My preference is for on track drama in the form of competition.

        In the meantime I wish for much success to Lewis and Nico both in their race to be champion in 2014.

  2. HoHum (@hohum) said on 27th May 2014, 3:13

    Don’t suppose anyone is interested in what Alonso has to say about Pirelli tyres when we have more important things to talk about.

    • JohnBt (@johnbt) said on 27th May 2014, 3:18

      Seems Alonso has been vocal bout the tires, but I don’t hear much from the other drivers unless they’re masking the complaints. Personally I feel the tires are fine, at least they don’t have to pit after 5 laps, that’s ridiculous.

    • Mayank (@mjf1fan) said on 27th May 2014, 8:20

      I think this year’s tyres are also crap. But when you look at the whole scene from Pirrelli’s angle, it is not surprising that they went for too conservative tyres given the flak they received throughout the last year. Seems like Pirrelli are unable to find that middle zone where tyres are not aggressive and also not too conservative, but somewhere whrre drivers are able to push the car 100% for quite some laps.

      All I can think of is introduction of another competitor for manufacturing tyres which might result in drivers getting better tyres to drive although it will definitely lead to increase in costs.

      • BasCB (@bascb) said on 27th May 2014, 9:02

        I guess the biggest issue was that they had to develop the tyres from experience with quite different cars an minimal data on torque that the likes of Mercedes, Ferrari and Renault were able and willing to supply @mjf1fan, making it very hard to guess right.

        In that light, I think Pirelli has done a reasonable job this year @hohum, let us hope that at least they get their compound choices right for most races and with more testing allowed this year, I sincerely hope that they make another step up next year.

        That said, the superfluous rules dictating tyre strategy (have to stop, must use both tyre compounds in the race as well as the starting on Q2 tyres for the top 10) should just be done away with to allow teams to decide their own approach.
        And I would also like enabling teams to choose what compound(s) to use at races – off course the choice would have to be made 2-3 months in advance, just like Pirelli now makes the allocation, that way a team having trouble get heat in them can choose softer and a team overheating their tyres can maybe choose harder, choose a bigger gap, etc.

        • HoHum (@hohum) said on 27th May 2014, 9:16

          @bascb, actually the narrow band of operational temperature is the main problem in my opinion, in that it determines the grip and durability levels of the tyres, and even if a team know exactly what is needed to bring the temperatures up/down they cannot control the track temperature on race day having set the car up for Saturday. It should be in Pirellis skillset to make a tyre with a broader operating range.

        • Mayank (@mjf1fan) said on 27th May 2014, 10:06

          @bascb I agree Pirrelli had very limited data before them to make this year’s compounds. But being in motorsports for such a long time and keeping in mind the size of company, it is expected of them to make the ‘Right’ kind of tyres. Since in-season testing is permitted this season, even I am hoping that next year’s tyres will be much much better than the current ones.

  3. JohnBt (@johnbt) said on 27th May 2014, 3:15

    Soap opera is good for this season as we know Merc will take the WDC and WCC which can be very boring. I know we can watch the best of the rest fighting but it’s totally different when a few teams are fighting for the championships. So I support the intra team duel, as Merc are the untouchables so now the soap opera is most welcomed. What’s next between Lewis and Nico, that will be interesting. Toto and Niki must be scratching their heads in tandem.

  4. wsrgo (@wsrgo) said on 27th May 2014, 5:47

    So Hamilton is a better data-interpreter than the entire FIA?

    • Jason (@jason12) said on 27th May 2014, 8:01

      And we know the FIA has made some brilliant and consistent decisions in the past rite.

    • jh1806 (@jh1806) said on 27th May 2014, 9:18

      In terms of being able to read the F1 W05′s telemetry…probably.

    • Lewisiabamf (@lewisisabamf) said on 27th May 2014, 9:25

      Lewis and his engineers are

      • iFelix (@ifelix) said on 27th May 2014, 10:14

        and those engineers couldn’t convince Paddie, Totto or Niki who is himself a driver that Nico played foul?

        • petebaldwin (@petebaldwin) said on 27th May 2014, 11:22

          @ifelix – If they had, do you think they’d publicly admit it and throw away a 1-2?

          It all seems very dodgy to me – both Hamilton saying what he has and the incident itself…

          • iFelix (@ifelix) said on 27th May 2014, 11:26

            No, but they would have certainly punished him, for instance by pitting Hamilton earlier so that he could undercut him or any other means. I am a manager and would never allow an employee to get away with foul-play even if I can’t show it in public.

        • JohnH (@johnh) said on 27th May 2014, 11:29

          Even if they did think or have evidence that Nico played foul, it wouldn’t be in the team’s interest to stitch up Nico. He would have been sent to the back of the grid, which would have likely resulted in fewer points for the team (i.e. not a 1-2 finish in any order).

          • iFelix (@ifelix) said on 27th May 2014, 12:02

            @johnh: as I replied to @petebaldwin above, they could have punished him internally: pitting Hamilton earlier for instance would have been one way to go. At the moment it seems that Mercedes managers see Lewis as the paranoid and petulant one, not the victim of a perfect crime.

          • Ryan (@ryanisjones) said on 27th May 2014, 16:39

            @ifelix: Maybe that’s why Hamilton was so angry about the pitting situation, because he felt the team should have evened it out by pitting him first.

          • Hotbottoms (@hotbottoms) said on 27th May 2014, 21:33

            @ifelix
            SC forced Mercedes to pit both drivers on the same lap – otherwise they could have lost a 1-2. So even if Mercedes’ original plan was to pit Lewis earlier, they couldn’t have done it.

            But otherwise I agree with you. It seems Mercedes’ managers are more annoyed with Lewis than Nico. That probably wouldn’t be the case, if they thought Rosberg ran wide on purpose.

          • iFelix (@ifelix) said on 28th May 2014, 0:04

            @ryanisjones: hmm, thinking of that annoyed “I knew you guys wouldn’t do that…”, could support your deduction. However, in that case, I think Hamilton reactions would have been (justifiably) harsher, because not only the team protected a supposed cheater, they even back tracked. And even though the SC intervened, considering the signal Hamilton gave that he wanted to pit, I don’t think they really intended to give him the track position by the undercut.

            Anyway, we are now too much speculating. In two weeks somebody might spill all the beans that we will be all wiser :)

        • Rick said on 27th May 2014, 11:37

          Why would Paddy, Totto or Nicki want to be convinced ? So they could go to the FIA and get one of their drivers punished and lose team points ?

  5. GeeMac (@geemac) said on 27th May 2014, 7:07

    I find it interesting that new articles on the possibilities of Azerbaijan and France hosting Grands Prix have come out on the same day. There is no need to say things like “Azerbaijan is an F1 kind of place” to make the race sound like a good idea. We all know why Azerbaijan wants a race and why FOM/FIA would consider hosting a race there: it is a country with bucket loads of cash which wants to market itself on a global platform. That’s why there is a possibility of going there. That’s why they sponsor the team that just won the Spanish Football League. Azerbaijan is no different to any of the countries which have been more recent additions to the calendar.

    France on the other hand really is an “F1 kind of place”. It is a country that currently supplies F1 with engines, fuel, drivers and engineers. In the past it has given us world champions, teams, tyre suppliers, circuits and priceless memories. But they don’t have, or aren’t willing to put up, the sort of cash Azerbaijan has to host a race again, that’s why Bernie doesn’t “think we can do that”.

  6. alexf1man (@alexf1man) said on 27th May 2014, 7:22

    Also on this day: Michael Schumacher’s Rascasse moment in the 2006 Monaco GP Qualifying session, which put him to the back of the grid; the 2007 and 2012 Monaco GPs – both were won for the second time by a driver (Alonso in 2007, Webber in 2012)!

  7. craig-o (@craig-o) said on 27th May 2014, 7:59

    They’re both being as bad as each other at the moment… I’m surprised Laura hasn’t bashed their heads together already.

  8. KaIIe (@kaiie) said on 27th May 2014, 8:19

    Some interesting comments regarding the collision between Kimi and Chilton: “Nobody talked about the safety car thing until I asked. They said we don’t know anything about it, and I said how can it be possible. Then One guy said we haven’t got anything from Charlie, then Charlie said that he told them, but these guys are telling me 10 minutes later that nobody said anything.”

    • BasCB (@bascb) said on 27th May 2014, 9:06

      Given that he had been unwell before the race, I guess that race must have been hard to drive for Kimi once the adrenalin of being in the top 5 wore off.

      But it sure is strange that we see Magnussen getting penalties handed to him for incidents in the first couple of laps all the time, but Chilton doesn’t get more than a reprimand (and only as a bit of an afterthought) for hitting Kimi when he is unlapping himself behind the SC. Surely there was no reason what so ever to push as they would have to wait for him to get by regardless of where it happened on track.

  9. Lucas Wilson (@full-throttle-f1) said on 27th May 2014, 8:45

    Thanks for the COTD @keithcollantine !

    Interestingly, I believe my first COTD was also about Marussia :-)

  10. Corrado (@corrado-dub) said on 27th May 2014, 8:57

    Well, HAM doesn’t seem to be such a nice/fair-play guy in reality… At the end of the year, we might see 2007 with different eyes: it wasn’t just ALO’s fault for the tensioned situation at McLaren in 2007.

    • Lewisiabamf (@lewisisabamf) said on 27th May 2014, 9:26

      Yes it was and Hamilton hasn’t done that much wrong this season expect for the engine mode in spain.

      • Asanator (@asanator) said on 27th May 2014, 11:54

        No It wasn’t, It all started in Hungary when Ham tried to cheat ALO out of track position in Qualifying!! God forbid you say that out loud in the UK though!

        He starts all this crying and finger-pointing whenever his team mates start showing him up, he even tried it with Jenson and I hope Nico takes the same tack that Jenson did, largely ignore/laugh it off leaving Lewis with nothing but having to take his ‘Talent’ to another team.

        • “It all started in Hungary when Ham tried to cheat ALO out of track position in Qualifying!!”

          No he never tried to cheat nothing, the team released him before Alonso, unbeknowns to them, Ferrari also released their cars right behind Alonso meaning Hamilton couldnt let Alonso through without letting both Ferraris through as well, which would have been detrimental to both him and the team. I can understand Alonso’s frustration at that moment because he dosnt have that knowledge at hand, but if you go watch the footage again, maybe you’ll understand how that situation arose.

          • Asanator said on 28th May 2014, 1:09

            Haha….of course he couldn’t! despite being told repeatedly to let ALO through by his own team!
            RAI was BEHIND ALO and HAM in Q3

            it was all about Fuel Credits and track position and HAM’s theft of both was the start of it all.

          • “RAI was BEHIND ALO and HAM in Q3″

            Erm, thats the point, Hamilton couldnt let Alonso through without letting Ferraris through, thats why he didn’t, it had _nothing_ to do with stopping Alonso himself.

  11. Jarnooo (@jarnooo) said on 27th May 2014, 9:14

    What Hamilton is doing is starting something that he cannot benefit from.

    Rosberg has that classic German mentality that won’t let anything phase him. Hamilton can talk about whatever he wants, as much as want to the media, but it won’t affect Rosberg one little bit. Hamilton on the other hand is the kind of person that will let these little things get to him. Remember how much his form was affected by his girl problems?

    Rosberg has started to gain an edge because of this and I have a feeling it could get a lot worse for Hamilton.

    • iFelix (@ifelix) said on 27th May 2014, 10:08

      totally agree!

    • Mayank (@mjf1fan) said on 27th May 2014, 10:15

      Even I had the same thoughts as you had. The more Hamilton will be dragging this controversy, the more he will be alienating himself from the team which might be hurtful for him in later stages of championship.

      All he is doing is making tense atmosphere in the garage and I’m sure people like to work in a good environment and not in a one where someone is always sulking and whining about things.

      If Hamilton thinks Rosberg cheated, he should respond to him on track by winning the next race which (luckily) happens to be Montreal – one of his favorite circuits.

    • petebaldwin (@petebaldwin) said on 27th May 2014, 11:18

      @jarnooo – I agree with what you say but I don’t think you can say “Rosberg is starting to gain an edge”

      Hamilton won 4 in a row and then following a highly controversial qualifying, there was no way for Hamilton to get past. His only real chance was at the pit stops but the safety car stopped that from happening.

      We’ll see in Canada where they are but I wouldn’t say Rosberg won comfortably and on a track where overtaking is possible, I think Hamilton would have beaten him.

      • Jarnooo (@jarnooo) said on 27th May 2014, 14:06

        I think that all this talk from Hamilton is showing that it’s getting to him. Rosberg is getting that edge through Hamilton losing it. I guessing I could have worded that better.

    • matt said on 27th May 2014, 13:28

      if it was a mistake,then that means nico made yet ANOTHER mistake in q3 while under pressure.alot of ppl are over looking this.lewis has moved on,he’ll get the win in canada.

    • AlokIn (@) said on 27th May 2014, 13:32

      Actually it is Nico who is cracking under pressure. He made mistake in China and here to in qualifying.
      Had he completed his last lap without this driver error then whole saga could have been avoided.

  12. iFelix (@ifelix) said on 27th May 2014, 9:46

    Rosberg is handling this with the appearance of a magnanimous gentleman in complete contrast to Hamilton.

    Let’s review the facts shall we? Between the pair, Hamilton is the proven liar (in Australia 2009 he

    lied

    to the stewards to get on the podium, then when his lie was detected he was disqualified but escaped a harsher punishment by writing an apology letter). Besides, it has emerged that he is the one who has also cheated in Spain and has apologized for it. He claims that Rosberg did the same in Bahrain, but so far nobody else has backed that claim.

    Now he is insinuating that the data obviously is showing that Rosberg did the lock-up, but between a proven liar and cheat and suspected one, I for one would not side with the liar and one who jumps to accusations (Jenson unfollowed me in Twitter?!). As Raikonnen and Alonso mentioned, only Nico knows if he did it on purpose or was a genuine accident.

    At any rate, I think the whole thing is suddenly destabilizing him completely and if can’t manage to beat Nico in Canada, even if it is totally out of his control e.g. an engine blow-out, his downward spiral would accelerate. If, however, Hamilton wins in Montreal, he probably can resume his mojo and drag himself out the self-created mess. If by then he also breaks up with Nicole again then it’s curtain down for the season (not that I wish that for any man) ;-)

    • JCost (@jcost) said on 27th May 2014, 11:09

      @ifelix

      He claims that Rosberg did the same in Bahrain, but so far nobody else has backed that claim.

      Sorry buddy, Mercedes has acknowledged it. Actually Nico dismissed any feud related to that…

      • iFelix (@ifelix) said on 27th May 2014, 11:31

        @jcost: can you show a link that Merc has admitted that Rosberg used the boost button? Everywhere I saw it was they say Hamilton did it, but the only reference to Bahrain is from Hamilton.
        As for Rosberg dismissal, he is trying to (or at least pretending to) to downplay the whole thing and as I said even he was incensed by the “boost” in Barcelona he didn’t show it. All these would help him (true or otherwise) to be seen as the more mature person within the team.

        • ShoponF (@shoponf) said on 27th May 2014, 13:00

          Neither Merc nor Rosberg disputed what Lewis has said about Rosberg’s use of boost button in Bahrain!!! At least I can’t recall seeing anything…

          • iFelix (@ifelix) said on 27th May 2014, 13:24

            @shoponf: of course they wouldn’t!!! That would be tantamount calling their driver a liar or deluded in public which hardly help defusing the row.
            Furthermore, if the Barcelona was a tit for tat in Bahrain there was no reason for apology, nor Niki would have put it like that: he would have said something like: “they have a history starting from Bahrain, and now it’s getting out of hand…”

            But Hamilton is used to making accusations based on his own perceptions and in proven cases downright lying to get his way.

          • ShoponF (@shoponf) said on 27th May 2014, 14:13

            @ifelix: “…deluded in public which hardly help defusing the row…”

            Why the heck Toto Wolff brings it up about Barcelona in the first place!!! It wasn’t in the public domain. TW started it…

          • JCost (@jcost) said on 27th May 2014, 14:25

            @shoponf Thank you.

            Rosberg was in the same room when one journalist raised this episode and did not dispute… c’mon @ifelix. I understand Lewis is not your fave driver, but he can’t be as bad as you trying (hard) to paint him.

          • iFelix (@ifelix) said on 27th May 2014, 14:46

            Rosberg was in the same room when one journalist raised this episode and did not dispute…

            @jcost: I have already addressed this point in my first sentence: “Rosberg is handling this with the appearance of a magnanimous gentleman…” (wh0o knows how authentic that is)
            It would be a terrible gesture of magnanimity to insinuate the Lewis is lying. He tried to deflect the question by saying “I don’t know what Niki is talking about…”

            And no I don’t want to display Lewis worse than he is, but I am incensed that his fans completely ignore his own short-coming and vilify mob-lynch his opponents for unproven offenses.

  13. Sujeeth (@sjct83) said on 27th May 2014, 10:47

    Toto Wolff ” Lewis Nico is faster than you”. Just want to know LH’s reaction after that.

  14. JCost (@jcost) said on 27th May 2014, 10:57

    James Moy post about the state of the Monaco GP is spot on. Glamour will always be associated with Monaco but there’s a gulf separating good taste and manageable dose of elitism from exacerbated show-off. That’s why I don’t fantasize about going to Monte Carlo for a GP. I’d rather pay twice as much to be part of a Tiffosi filled Autodormo Internazionale di Monza F1 race than mingle with drunk techno lovers and middle age millionaires with little interest in F1 but desperate to show-off their big boats and young female “friends”.

  15. petebaldwin (@petebaldwin) said on 27th May 2014, 11:16

    Whatever anyone thinks about Hamilton or Rosberg, I’m delighted they’ve fallen out! We were already in for a potentially brilliant season but it’s going to be epic now! Neither are going to give an inch and with both likely finishing 1st and 2nd in most races, there won’t be much to separate them. With double points at the end, it will almost definitely go to the last race.

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