Perez penalised for last-lap crash with Massa as both released from hospital

2014 Canadian Grand Prix

Sergio Perez, Force India, Circuit Gilles Villeneuve, 2014Sergio Perez was held responsible for his high-speed collision with Felipe Massa on the last lap of the Canadian Grand Prix.

The Force India driver was given a five-place grid penalty by the stewards, who judged he caused the collision by “changing his racing line” moments before the impact.

Both drivers were taken to hospital as a precaution following the crash and were later released, the FIA confirmed.

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133 comments on Perez penalised for last-lap crash with Massa as both released from hospital

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  1. Guillermo Deutsch said on 8th June 2014, 23:02

    rubbish…

    • Feuerdrache (@xenomorph91) said on 8th June 2014, 23:10

      @Guilhermo:

      It was the right call I think: vine dot co/v/MD0BgJYVeam

      • Patrick (@paeschli) said on 8th June 2014, 23:14

        Yeah, Massa clearly moved to the right in the braking zone …

        • Keith Collantine (@keithcollantine) said on 8th June 2014, 23:22

          Having seen this video I think it’s a fair call:

          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BUEbC1bf2sc

          • Atticus (@atticus-2) said on 8th June 2014, 23:27

            Very strange, it’s as if they’d have moved towards each other.

            Incidentally, this is not the first time this year that Massa is onvolved in such a strange situation. Remember, he also seemed to swerve towards Alonso when the Spaniard moved towards him at the start of the Chinese Grand Prix.

          • petebaldwin (@petebaldwin) said on 8th June 2014, 23:48

            Really? That video clearly shows Perez went left and Massa went right. Both are at fault but it was an accident.

          • Dave (@raceprouk) said on 9th June 2014, 0:03

            The track curves right there, as does the racing line.

          • AldoH said on 9th June 2014, 0:13

            I agree with Keith, it was a fair call.
            Sadly, the Massa bashers need something to talk about…

          • dam00r (@dam00r) said on 9th June 2014, 0:15

            I think you have missed a key thing in the video.
            Perez was going to try and overtake Vettel into that corner. Vettel braked early, Perez went left to make the undercut

          • matiascasali (@matiascasali) said on 9th June 2014, 0:18

            you know what’s funny about that video? you use it as a proof of Checo moving left then massa hitting him while he was trying to avoid him. But the funny thing is that the audio is from the Argentina/latin america fox broadcast, and even when they were seeing that, they said that was Massa’s fault… it’s quite clear that Carlos Slim pay a ton of money to them. All the broadcast was about Checo Perez, and even about Gutierrez! besides, Fernando Tornello, the one speaking, is such a Vettel biased.. if HAM wins, the ’14 F1 is rubbish, if Vettel wins, then is one of the most exciting races…

          • David-A (@david-a) said on 9th June 2014, 0:29

            Massa moves right, but only at the rate the road was curving to the right for turn 1. Perez moves right, despite the fact he wasn’t going to get back past Vettel, and simply swiped Massa who was faster, and already there.

            Perez’s fault.

          • David-A (@david-a) said on 9th June 2014, 0:30

            Massa moves right, but only at the rate the road was curving to the right for turn 1. Perez moves left*, despite the fact he wasn’t going to get back past Vettel, and simply swiped Massa who was faster, and already there.

            Perez’s fault.

          • DavidRP said on 9th June 2014, 3:08

            https://vine.co/v/MD0BgJYVeam Please just follow Masa’s car and see how he impacts Checo. Also Checo moves left. Just an accident.

          • GeeMac (@geemac) said on 9th June 2014, 6:08

            @dam00r I’m not buying that, Perez was nowhere near close enough to putting a move on Vettel. I think it was a racing incident, but of the two drivers it seemed to be Perez who made the bigger, and more unusual, change of direction prior to impact.

          • BasCB (@bascb) said on 9th June 2014, 6:43

            Personally I though it was a racing incident, but yeah, if anyone should get the blame for this one its Perez suddenly stepping out that made them touch.

          • Alex McFarlane said on 9th June 2014, 10:38

            Looking at that clip, I’m inclined to think Massa was at fault. There was acres of space on the left side of the circuit to pass Perez, Massa may have had to compromise his line into turn 1 but would have had better traction out of turn 2. Seems to me that he overcooked it and that even if the contact had not occurred, Massa would have missed his breaking point. Easy to say when you’re not driving a Formula 1 car I know, but I can’t figure out what on earth Massa was doing there.

          • scratt (@scratt) said on 9th June 2014, 11:24

            I am a fan of neither driver. In actual fact I was pretty much hoping that they would fall over each other at some point in the final laps and give those places to others – as happened. I certainly didn’t want then to have an accident like that tho. – just to be clear.

            However, the more I see this particular angle, the more I feel that it was, at worst, a racing incident. Both drivers did unpredictable things coming into that corner. Both drivers were moving around coming into the braking zone. Massa’s movements are the ones that stick out more for me though.

            I also think it is this video that makes it very clear that Massa jinked as much, if not more than Perez – which is why I find it so strange that it is this specific video that is cited as the one showing Massa was not at fault.

            Other views make it hard to tell, and can make you see it either way.

          • Patrick (@paeschli) said on 9th June 2014, 12:37

            I don’t understand you with your “the road was curving” argument, the track was curving, so it is okay to turn into the other car? Perez moved to the left and Massa to the right, they should both have gone straight so racing incident.

            @keithcollantine Adrian Fernandez, the former manager of Perez, was one of the stewards who made the judgement. That doens’t seem “fair” at all.

            Just my opinion though …

          • Pennyroyal tea (@peartree) said on 9th June 2014, 17:24

            @keithcollantine I saw the video and I saw that in the past 30 years people have chosen that line there. It’s all relative in the end the one that should have taken caution is the driver behind. Racing accident or penalty for Massa that’s my view. I can only think that the stewards vision is impaired by Perez history and status.

        • DaveD (@daved) said on 8th June 2014, 23:24

          But Massa was moving onto the racing line when he pulled right, and Checo was moving offline to the left. Watch the Vine again and see where Vettel went and where the rubber was laid down….to the far right going into the corner. But Checo starts drifting left which was totally offline.
          https://vine.co/v/MD0BgJYVeam

          I think it should have been deemed a racing incident but Checo probably takes *more* blame than Massa here.

          • Francisco (@fjvi) said on 9th June 2014, 0:49

            Having seen both this videos many times and drawing lines longitudinal to the cars axis, it seems both were on converging vectors at the moment of impact, so it seems they were turning on each other a split second before impact, Perez seem to take the radius to approach the turn´s inner line and Massa may have tried to turn to the far right and come out at the right side of the Force India on the turn (outer line of the turn, similar to Vettel´s line), in any case it was too close for both to have control of their speed (differential, as one was accelerating and the other braking) to avoid contact. I still say, race incident. But that brings me back to Monaco last year, when Perez went thought the same motions with Kimi at the tunnel chicane, in the other position, as attacker and kimi defending. there might be another criteria for the decision here.

          • PorscheF1 (@xtwl) said on 9th June 2014, 7:13

            @fvi The thing is Massa was allowed to move, Perez wasn’t.

          • Anatoliy said on 10th June 2014, 15:34

            Dave, there is no valid racing line in formula-1 it is not like there is a racing line approved by FIA or else. Driver may choose any racing line he wants.

            Massa should have stayed farther left. But he turned into Perez.
            https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpa1/t1.0-9/s261x260/10455176_10151853490024229_5531012271270930037_n.jpg

        • Eric (@) said on 8th June 2014, 23:25

          @paeschli

          As they all do, since it’s a right hand turn. Perez, however, moved left. In the braking zone. A big no-no in F1.

          • Paul (@frankjaeger) said on 9th June 2014, 0:57

            @baron-2 @daved Not if you plan to overtake the guy in front of you. He should have been more aware of the car behind him but there’s only so much you can do in a F1 car at a time. Racing incident.

          • Eric (@) said on 9th June 2014, 9:57

            @frankjaeger

            How was Perez going to take Vettel? He had to brake much earlier due to his brake problems.
            He should have moved left much earlier like he did with Ricciardo to force Massa to go around the outside. That would have given Perez a chance to defend and they wouldn’t have made contact at 300 kph.

      • Guillermo Deutsch said on 8th June 2014, 23:17

        it is a difficult one, but after watching all monaco incidents, you have to call this one a “Racing incident”, there is no pattern

        • Guillermo Deutsch said on 8th June 2014, 23:19

          sorry , there is a pattern “give Checo all penalties”

        • Dr. Jekyll (@dr-jekyll) said on 9th June 2014, 10:45

          I agree… even if it’s someones’ fault, it isn’t alwaywarranted a penalty. I’ve often been critical of Perez’ overly aggresive moves because sometimes he lacks some spatial awareness of some current drivers.
          But the drivers no such things as well, in the last seasons I don’t know how many overtakes I’ve seen between Kimi/Alonso/Button/Vettel etc. wheel to whell through chicanes and still everyone coming out alright, but often when it has been between Gro/Mal/Per the outcome has been more uncertain (Massa has also been quite shaky at times in these last years).

          Too long; did not read: Racing incident, probably more Perez’ fault but bot worthy of a penalty IMO

      • Josh said on 10th June 2014, 20:10

        No! It wasnt his fault. If u see the onboard cameras u can se sergios stearing wheel always straight and massas stearing wheel slightly turning right

    • Toxic said on 9th June 2014, 11:44

      Rubbish… this decision really sums up the F1 stewarding standards of today. You get hit from behind on it’s your fault…

    • Pennyroyal tea (@peartree) said on 9th June 2014, 17:21

      I agree unbelievable. Perez didn’t do anything that anyone hasn’t done there over 30 years. That braking zone is a difficult spot for overtaking and the fact that people have been very cautious there is the proof of that. Massa was over eager, Massa should have tried the overtake elsewhere. Massa cost Williams money time and hope. Force India lost a battle here and if I was FI I would appeal.

  2. Magnificent Geoffrey (@magnificent-geoffrey) said on 8th June 2014, 23:02

    But it was a racing incident?

    Sigh.

    • Iestyn Davies (@fastiesty) said on 8th June 2014, 23:04

      It is clear from the onboards, and the stewards will have telemetry as well. I think Perez just defended too late – Massa was already committed and was on a line to try and make the corner, like Ricciardo, not going too wide on exit.

    • Jake (@jleigh) said on 8th June 2014, 23:11

      Aren’t you happy with now had 3 consistently bad decisions? Consistency is key after all! 😄

    • Mark (@marlarkey) said on 8th June 2014, 23:22

      It is clear from the overhead and head-on videos that PER moved over onto MAS but PER moved over because of what was happening in front of him (VET running wide and slow in the corner ahead).

      So yes Perez CAUSED the crash but imo this was a genuine racing incident in that he was reacting to what was in front of him and so was MAS behind PER.

      The only factor to take into account is that Perez has form in causing many such incidents where he moves around on others.

    • mantresx (@mantresx) said on 8th June 2014, 23:24

      It looks like it at the beggining but Pérez did move ever so slightly to the left, I think he probably did it more instinctively than consciously, but the result is the same.
      By the way it was funny to see the Latin american commentators blaming Massa instantly even though there wasn’t a proper replay after several minutes later.

    • Strontium (@strontium) said on 9th June 2014, 11:20

      I agree, a racing incident. In this one both drove poorly, as Perez moved left, and Massa moved right and slammed into the back of him. There was a Vettel onboard which showed just how close Massa was to wiping Vettel out too!

  3. Mackeine Loveine (@cocaine-mackeine) said on 8th June 2014, 23:04

    He was FOLLOWING his line!

    • Sankalp Sharma (@sankalp88) said on 8th June 2014, 23:05

      Not really, he did move a bit with Felipe right on his rear-wing. I think Perez was at fault for this one. Although Massa’s race craft should also be called into question.

    • DaveD (@daved) said on 8th June 2014, 23:18

      I agree with Sharma, @sankalp88, on this one totally. You can see in this vine that the racing line was to the right and Vettel and Massa were both going wide right for the racing line to make the left turn. You can even see the racing line from the rubber marks is you watch Vettel and what line he’s on as he makes the turn. So why did Checo start moving left? It was a bad move.

      However, I also have to question Felipe’s race craft. He should have made the pass a few laps earlier on Vettel and not even been in this postion as he had newer tires, and more speed but he kept making strange attempts to undercut Vettel in the laps before on the hairpin coming into the straight. The Williams does NOT have the cornering ability of RBR so why would he keep doing that when it only cost him acceleration coming onto the straight where he could have easily passed Vettel with his top end speed?
      Then he didn’t exactly make a great work of judging his closing speed with Checo when it happened. yes, Checo changed lines at a very bad time. But Felipe is not totally blameless either.

      But if they have to assign guilt, I think they got it right. But perhaps it should have been considered a racing incident as both drivers were a bit clumsy???

        • Clive Allen (@clive-allen) said on 9th June 2014, 2:33

          I have watched it over and over, trying to see it how the stewards saw it, but I just can’t do it. I have no idea why Perez was drifting wide to the left but it wasn’t a sudden move. That comes from Massa who was already left and then makes a dart to the right, as if he were actually aiming at Perez’s left rear tyre. It’s the weirdest move I’ve ever seen in F1 and looks deliberate (although that can’t be, surely). If Perez is the guilty party, someone please explain that jink to the right on the part of Massa…

          • I also was surprised seeing that sudden change in direction to the right, as if his steering wheel came loose or something (Theory?). It was more profound than Perez’s jinx to the left, so I think the stewards should have reconsidered their decision.

          • Robi (@23king) said on 9th June 2014, 11:34

            Well, as per the vine, Perez first moves to the right and then comes back, which the stewards might have seen as the causing factor of the accident, it was somewhat of a weave…and going right is the normal racing line, seeing Vettel’s line and the tire marks as indication, so when Perez moves first over, Massa follows him and fails to react to the dart back to the right from Perez. I think it is Perez’s fault, right decision taken by the stewards!

        • Todfod (@todfod) said on 9th June 2014, 9:14

          It’s hard to believe Perez got a penalty for that. He moved slightly left like many occassions where a driver is attacking the car in front and defending from a car behind. It wasn’t all that sudden either.

          It looks more like Felipe’s fault… I don’t understand why he would steer to the right so suddenly. Even though there was a turn coming up, it looked like he had made up his mind to overtake Perez, which is all the more reason to stay on the inside line as opposed to steering left.

          Honestly, this should go down as a racing incident. And if anyone was to be blamed, it should be Felipe Massa.

  4. Spencer Ward (@sward28) said on 8th June 2014, 23:05

    I tend to agree with the stewards on this one. Watch it again, as I felt at the time, Perez changes his line as they brake for turn one.

    • Magnificent Geoffrey (@magnificent-geoffrey) said on 8th June 2014, 23:11

      Here’s a webm of the incident: http://a.pomf.se/szjwyc.webm

      If you watch and concentrate on Perez, he does move slightly just before the contact.

      But, if you watch and concentrate on Massa, he moves slightly right just before the contact too.

      I think this is simply a racing incident.

      • Paul (@frankjaeger) said on 9th June 2014, 1:01

        @magnificent-geoffrey Much more insightful when seen in slow motion. Situation: Massa goes to secure position before the turn, Perez defends Massa or attacks Vettel on run up to turn. Yep, racing incident.

      • George (@george) said on 9th June 2014, 1:43

        Yeah Massa was trying to straighten up for the corner, basically taking the normal line but in the middle of the track, but wasn’t paying attention to Perez who was braking straight towards the apex.

      • Jonathan189 (@jonathan189) said on 9th June 2014, 8:03

        Good video.

        I can see why the stewards blamed Perez, because he does move off the racing line — the racing line, followed by Vettel, curves round to the right.

        But Massa blundered too. The car in front moves to the left… so he carries on steering to the right. Not exactly great racecraft.

  5. Chris Harrison said on 8th June 2014, 23:06

    I thought it was more Perez’ fault, however, I would have called it a racing incident. It was clear on the replays that Perez straighten the car, rather than take the normal racing line of keeping to the right of the track at that point. However, given the age of his tyres, and the close racing, which would have taken a toll on all the drivers mentally, I would have put it down to a racing incident.

  6. DaveF1 (@davef1) said on 8th June 2014, 23:09

    Massa also turns right slightly if you look on the helicam. Racing incident in my opinion.

    • Slava (@slava) said on 8th June 2014, 23:16

      to Mr. DaveF1: it was a right corner before breaking. It is logical that a racer turns the str.wheel to the right when the turn bends to the right, isn’t it?

      • Corrado (@corrado-dub) said on 8th June 2014, 23:27

        Yes, but Perez was in front, so he was “entitled” to chose the racing line he liked more than Massa. Also, there’re brakes mounted on these cars. Massa should have (tried to) used them in my opinion.

      • DaveF1 (@davef1) said on 8th June 2014, 23:32

        Massa’s turning is a lot more extreme as he’s already navigated the kink perfectly before he makes contact with Perez. Also if you’re going to dispute my point I’d prefer you’d be less of a smartass.

      • Francisco (@fjvi) said on 9th June 2014, 1:01

        Yes, but you have to make sure there are no other objects in your path

    • bull mello (@bullmello) said on 8th June 2014, 23:28

      @davef1 – Saw that too, Massa moving slightly to the right at the same time Perez was moving to the left. Glad I’m not a steward deciding this incident, but I would put it almost 50-50, as you said, a racing incident.

      This after watching the incident many times from several different angles and initially thinking when it happened that it was all on Massa. Obviously, we don’t have access to telemetry that the stewards do. I’m just very glad the drivers are OK.

      After the race, Martin Brundle commented that the most surprising thing about this crash is that we don’t see more incidents like this. High speed, tight corners, close quarters, moves and reactions made in split seconds…

  7. Mach1 (@mach1) said on 8th June 2014, 23:12

    I wish Perez had taken himself out earlier in the race. To be honest, I saw this coming…just much earlier. I half expected one of the drivers in the train following him to get frustrated and do somthing stupid….

    While a great race, Perez’s alternate stratagy left him holding up faster cars. It was only their straight line deficit that helf them back. There could have been a much better battle for the lead if the others had been able to get past earlier. It was not Perez’s fault nor the other drivers fault though…I just found it annoying…..

    • lucho19 (@lucho19) said on 9th June 2014, 1:32

      It is called defending your position.
      Of course it is annoying if you are the one behind and have 10 laps to go before the end of the race to get to podium.
      That is called racing.

  8. Slava (@slava) said on 8th June 2014, 23:12

    At last he is punished. 5 place grid penalty is fair enough.
    Initially, as everyone else, I blamed Massa. But having watched some other shots and videos… Well, Perez is just rubbish racer.
    He has only one real skill – saving tyres. But Button doesn’t make such stupid crushes.

    • How did Button got involved in this? and why is a midfield car with a podium driver turned to rubbish in a very confusing incident? i bet the telemetry proving wrong doing is the only way to tell what really happened, I am not certain of anything given the images I got to see, and would not judge either driver from that. So I rest my case on the stewards decision with very firm and strong reserves for both drivers. If data becomes available great! if not, oh well.

  9. Jimmy Hearn (@alebelly74) said on 8th June 2014, 23:14

    The stewards are privy to telemetry data and all the camera views so they obviously are able to put together a more complete scenario of how the accident transpired.

    It all happened so fast, it would be irresponsible for me to pass judgement from the comfort of my couch, even watching it in slow-mo on my 60″ LED Samsung.

  10. SuperIU said on 8th June 2014, 23:15

    What? Both drivers moves before collision, but Perez has the line and Massa force the overtake… in the best case, it would be called a race incident, but penalised Perez is too harsh.

    • Slava (@slava) said on 9th June 2014, 11:25

      What line had Perez? He moved to the right then to the left under braking when Massa was near him. If a racer doesn’t look into mirrors before making such a manoeuvre he is rubbish racer and that’s it. There was a link to the video of this accident re-watch it, please.
      PS: I don’t like Perez, but in race time I was yelling at Massa. Now I see that people don’t know what racing is and how you need to drive. This incident simply proved for me that the Mexican should be out of F1, like Maldonado.
      PSS: how may race incidents Perez should provoke so people start to see he can’t correctly assess the situation? Or everyone think that we will hail him until death only for 1 race in Malaysia 2012?

  11. Win7Golf (@win7golf) said on 8th June 2014, 23:17

    This is so wrong in so many ways… of course he change the racing line – HE MAN WAS ABOUT TO MAKE THE LEFT TURN 1…. Why is everybody not talking about Massa’s LACK OF TALENT ?

    • Jarred Walmsley (@jarred-walmsley) said on 8th June 2014, 23:25

      He moved to the left far too early, Massa obviously wasn’t expecting him to move so early and thus hit him. At first I thought it was Massa’s fault but looking at the high angle camera, Perez clearly moves into Massa and not Massa being too ambitious as I first thought.

    • Jimmy Hearn (@alebelly74) said on 8th June 2014, 23:25

      That was a hot mess of a sentence, but please tell me more of this fascinating universe you live in. From here forth, my name is Biologist, and yours is Subject.

    • In_Silico (@insilico) said on 8th June 2014, 23:27

      Lack of talent? He’s got plenty. More than you’ll ever have driving a race car so who are you to judge?

      • Corrado (@corrado-dub) said on 8th June 2014, 23:46

        It’s not about F1 drivers and fans, buddy !!!! It’s about ONLY comparing F1 drivers between them OR driver vs F1 !!!! If you ask me, Massa should think about retirement.

      • AldoH said on 9th June 2014, 0:14

        “Lack of talent? He’s got plenty. More than you’ll ever have driving a race car so who are you to judge?”

        +1

    • Corrado (@corrado-dub) said on 8th June 2014, 23:33

      +1.

      Massa’s (lack of true) racecraft showed here. He should have realised he’s a lot faster than Perez (by the rate he caught all in front)… and be a lot more careful. Williams seems pretty competitive overall, I just think the team lacks better drivers.

      • mehico said on 9th June 2014, 0:10

        Massa was clearly expecting Perez to follow Vettel’s line and was setting up to be just inside him, either taking Perez on that corner or on the outside of turn two. He’d been behind the pair of them for a few laps so would have seen Perez’ normal line.
        I think he’s doing a better job at Williams than anyone else available to them would have.

        • Rick said on 9th June 2014, 16:30

          Here, here. It seems that the Massa-bashers are having field day after this incident. They never liked him. They ever will. Felipe was taking the normal line for the corner and Perez moved under braking. It is Perez’s fault.

  12. Fixy (@fixy) said on 8th June 2014, 23:19

    There was no need for Massa to be so close to Perez in the first place, but at that point the slight movement to the left proved crucial.

  13. TMF (@tmf42) said on 8th June 2014, 23:32

    That decision confuses me. Perez had the line – covered the inside – and Massa moved to the right into Perez because he knew exactly that the inside was covered. I thought the rule says that a driver can defend and if both are off the racing line then the guy in front has first choice. But well, Stewards have a better access to data – however I wish they would add a more comprehensive explanation with such decisions.

    • Matt said on 9th June 2014, 5:56

      He was turning right because the track goes to the right. And yes, you can can defend your position, but you need to pick a line before breaking, and when the other car is not side by side with your car.

      • TMF (@tmf42) said on 9th June 2014, 10:42

        yeah – I re-watched the situation in frame by frame and I was wrong – I thought Perez committed to the inside way earlier thru the right bender but he indeed did it very late giving Massa very little chance.

  14. Diego (@ironcito) said on 8th June 2014, 23:33

    I can’t believe they never showed the crash from Seb’s on-board. He must have seen Massa just flashing by, milimeters away from his car.

  15. Graham (@guitargraham) said on 8th June 2014, 23:34

    i know Perez had braking issues and i know that the circuit funnels drivers together at this corner but i also know that the golden rule for drivers is not to alter your line in the braking area. we were very lucky everyone escaped with their lives

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