Lewis Hamilton, Nico Rosberg, Mercedes, Red Bull Ring, 2014

Rosberg is “not really German” – Hamilton

F1 Fanatic Round-upPosted on Author Keith Collantine

Lewis Hamilton, Nico Rosberg, Mercedes, Red Bull Ring, 2014In the round-up: Lewis Hamilton says the upcoming German Grand Prix is not a true home race for team mate Nico Rosberg.


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Hamilton: Rosberg is not German (The Guardian)

“He never stood by a German flag. He is German-Finnish-Monaco-esque, or whatever.”

FIA made right calls on Vettel/Alonso fight, says Horner (Adam Cooper’s F1 Blog)

“Charlie [Whiting] pointed out a couple of times track limits to Seb, and Alonso got a warning flag, which was for track limits. The problem is when you’ve got run-off like that, and it’s quicker, drivers are going to want to abuse it.”

Williams surprised by pace (Sky)

Rob Smedley: “My opinion of him is growing week by week. I think he’s a very, very good driver and he can become an exceptional driver. We’re lucky to have him.”

Massa wants crackdown on Merc’s formation laps (ESPN)

“The FIA say we can’t go so slow but they didn’t do anything or penalise anyone. I think if they penalise one car for that by giving them a five grid penalty for the next race, everything will change.”

Lauda critical of Raikkonen’s driving (Autosport)

“He went wide, so why does he come in balls out and then crash? Hopefully nothing happened [to hurt him], but it was unnecessary.”

France pursues Swiss firm over alleged theft of Schumacher’s medical records (The Telegraph)

“The email offers were signed off with the name Kagemusha – a Japanese term translated literally as ‘Shadow Warrior’ and the title of a 1980 film about a petty thief who stands in for a wounded samurai warlord. More recently the emails were signed off ‘Jeremy Martin’.”

Change underway at Ferrari, says Mattiacci (Reuters)

“Starting from here we need to prepare a different team for 2015. Do we need to do an announcement? No. Do we need to improve? Continuous improvement, yes. That is our position.”

Why Formula One Doesn’t Need To Change Its Social Media Strategy (Forbes)

“Very few if any other sports give as much access to the media and literally let them sit next to the superstar athletes as they relax and discuss the day’s events with their bosses in their locker rooms. F1 fans don’t have this luxury but social media does.”


Comment of the day

Adam takes issue with Niki Lauda’s view that the barrier Raikkonen hit didn’t need replacing but it was unlikely to be hit a second time.

As unlikely as it is for someone else to crash there, the chance cannot be taken. One hour of waiting (and Silverstone making tons of money off of extra beers being sold) is well worth helping to ensure the safety of both the drivers and the marshals. Just look at the BTCC at Thruxton this year, that could have been really ugly, especially the driver (I forget who it was) that used the damaged barrier to launch into the air.

An argument could be made for speeding up the marshals by having them practice replacing elements off the barriers, but who knows how hard it was to disassemble the damaged guardrail.

There is a reason F1 hasn’t had a fatality during a grand prix weekend since 1994, and that is because the FIA do a good job monitoring all of the minor details when it comes to safety. There isn’t much the FIA do right, but safety is certainly one of the few things they have right.

Except for the excessive asphalt run-off areas. If there was a gravel trap there, the accident wouldn’t have happened the way it did. And drivers would not complain about track limits as much either.
Adam Blocker (@Blockwall2)

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On this day in F1

F1’s only race around the streets of Dallas was held 30 years ago today. In brutal heat the track fell to pieces, and Keke Rosberg emerged on top of a three-way scrap with Nigel Mansell and Alain Prost to give Williams their only win of the season, and their first with Honda power.

Mansell’s gearbox failed him just metres from the finishing line. He tried to push his Lotus across the line, but collapsed in the heat. He was classified sixth, three laps down, scoring one point.


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205 comments on “Rosberg is “not really German” – Hamilton”

  1. “To be honest, Nico has never been in Germany, so he’s not really German. I remember when we used to race during karting, he never stood next to a German flag – not ever.

    “We would have to go on the start line and all the drivers would have to stand next to a grid girl in a line. The girls would be holding the flags or a sign saying Hungary or whatever, and he always stood by the Monaco one. He never stood by a German flag. He is German-Finnish-Monaco-esque, or whatever. So it would be great to win in Germany.”


    Although I did find this picture!!

    1. I don’t believe Monaco’s national squad is allowed to play unless they join FIFA, and Finland rarely gets to a tournament, so he’s has little choice in “home” football kits.

    2. It didn’t need to be said but I think Lewis is explaining that he’s never perceived Nico as being German because he’s probably never indicated to Lewis that he was German during their kart career or during their earlier racing interactions. It’d be akin to Zidane proclaiming he’s Algerian one day because his parents are both from Algeria. He’s probably wondering why the news claim that Nico’s German.

        1. They race under the nationality of their passports, in Nico’s case he has both German and Finnish passports so could choose which one to race under. I guess this is why he has used both throughout his career. He doesn’t have a Monégasque passport or nationality, so won’t have ever raced under the nationality, but may still have had the flag on the grid before races.

          According to the Sky Sports story on this, in 2005 Nico said he never considered himself a German, or a Finn for that matter. He would probably have mentioned the same to Lewis before and I think that’s what Lewis will have been referring to.

          1. They race under the nationality of their passports

            I’m pretty sure it’s the lcountry that issues their licence. So if you were born and raised and live on Skid Row, Sealand, and then get an Irish license, you’ll be counted as Irish, I think.

  2. Lewis does have a point. I seem to remember reading somewhere (I think from Nico himself) that he only registered German nationality because it was a big country with a good motorsports heritage so easier to get sponsorship in his early career.

    1. I know many people have he same opinion on Nico’s nationality but I never thought someone would ever say that for the record. I don’t think it’s mean but the world would not be worse-off if Lewis did not say that…

    2. Rosberg has had German nationality since birth (what with being born in Germany and having a German mother). He took out a German racing licence some time in junior formulae due to better sponsorship prospects.

      He obviously didn’t stand next to the German flag while karting since he raced with a Finnish licence then.

    1. He probably knows better than we do whether that would offend Nico. I am “officially” British since that enables me to work in the EU, but I’m really a New Zealander, and I’m the first to say “I’m not really British”, so those remarks wouldn’t bother me.

      1. Awful? Really? I don’t see the big deal. Lives in Monaco and used to walk those streets to go to school, Silverstone is 10 minutes from Mercedes’ F1 headquarters, and Germany is where he was born. And I believe Nico can speak the language can’t he? Why wouldn’t he play up his German heritage while on a German team? I think LH comes across as petty in this, and to me it doesn’t matter how the question was posed…it’s how he gave the answer. Nor does it matter what tracks NR claims are his home ones. LH’s fans are happy to point out which ones are ‘his’ tracks, as in the ones he excels at. Anyway, it’s just words, and I’m sure NR is used to it having known LH for so long and will only be invigorated by LH’s opinion if he does hear it.

    2. I too think he didn’t have to say that, maybe he was answering a direct question on the matter or he just wants to irritate Nico who as of late is pushing really hard to look as German as possible… by the way, good luck to the “Deutsche Fußballnationalmannschaft” :)

    3. Media folks have a way of setting you up with a question or leading you on a certain path with your answers, and then blowing it out of proportion by omitting certain parts of the interview, its always better to hear the interview than to read about it. This is kind of the Monaco situation, where Lewis said that “The hunger was different” and it was translated to “I am more hungrier than him”

    4. Judging by this article from the daily fail, the comments that the Guardian have used are intended jokingly, as Lewis then does the add a few more comments which the Guardian journalist chose not to include.

      Without hearing the interview then it’s difficult to judge the tone of the answer. It was an unnecessary response though, regardless of whether it’s a joke or not, Lewis could simply have said “Yes, it would be huge to beat Nico at his home race”, but then there would maybe be people complaining that he was too short with his response.

      If you don’t like a driver you’re more likely to look for something negative in whatever they do/say. I’m sure if Lewis thought Nico would be offended by what he said then he wouldn’t have said it. They may be playing games with each other’s heads at the moment but I doubt either would be truly malicious toward one another’s heritage.

      1. Thanks for the link – obviously taken out of context because he does admit that Germany and Monaco are his home races. He’s just perplexed that people view Nico as primarily German when obviously Nico himself never felt that way.

    1. Actually, it’s even more complicated than Lewis mentioned. Nico’s father, Keke, was born in Sweden of Swedish parents and later moved to Finland and then Germany. I don’t blame Nico for not being entirely sure what nationality he is…

      1. @clive-allen

        Nico’s father, Keke, was born in Sweden of Swedish parents

        I don’t think this can be true. Keke was born in Sweden, but how could he be Finnish, if his parents were Swedish?

        His parents do have a Swedish last name, but that’s very common in Finland. About 5 % of Finnish people speak Swedish as their mother tongue, but they’re still as much Finns as everyone else. Besides, I don’t think Keke’s mother tongue is Swedish. After doing some research, I couldn’t find any proof that his native language isn’t Finnish and apparently his biography states that he had some trouble with living in a Swedish village, because everyone was speaking a language he didn’t know – that probably wasn’t the case if his family spoke Swedish.

        1. Keke is Finnish, was born in Sweden and his mother tongue is swedish, as is for 5% of the Finnish people (which you mentioned). Hence he has both passports. Keke is married to German woman, so Nico is 50% German, 50% Finnish (maybe 1% Swedish since he was born there ;)

        2. I couldn’t find any definitive answers on the family’s movements in Keke’s early years either, @hotbottoms. While it is true that many Finns do have Swedish names thanks, no doubt, to an ancestor having made the trip across the Baltic, there is no doubt that Keke was born in Stockholm, which gives him a Swedish element at the very least. The name is the telling factor, however – there’s a Swede in that ancestry somewhere!

          It would be interesting to know how old Keke was when he was living in a Swedish village. I’ve always assumed that the family moved to Finland when Keke was very young and so he never learned Swedish – but, if he found it difficult in the village, he must have spent a vacation there at least.

    2. And Lewis is right about Nico, he is more Finnish or Monegasque than German.

      Nico is without a doubt more German than Finnish – he doesn’t even speak Finnish language!

      When Nico came into Formula One, MTV3 (the Finnish broadcaster of Formula One) tried to represent him as a Finn even though he didn’t race under a Finnish flag and he didn’t speak Finnish. In the results, Rosberg’s name was even written with blue color, just like other Finnish drivers. But Finns never regarded Rosberg as a Finnish driver and after a couple of years MTV3 stopped doing this. Even now, when Rosberg is fighting for the championship, MTV3 isn’t trying to represent him as a Finn.

      But I see no reason why he made the comment, unless he just wants to stir up trouble.

      I agree. I’ve never liked Rosberg before this season, but now I’ve started to hope he beats Hamilton, because after all these comments from Lewis I find Nico a lot more likeable.

    3. @blockwall2 – I am almost certain he was asked something along the lines of “so the crowd really pushed you on at your home race – what do you think your chances are of beating Nico at his home race?”

      If asked that, it would make perfect sense for Lewis to repond as he did.

  3. Firstly, sausage kerbs – use them as well.

    Secondly, I liked hearing Hamilton complain about the Santander trophy. Made a refreshing change. I was surprised he didn’t get the actual one.

    Finally, it seems like Lewis is doing the mind games again (although I didn’t actually read the article, so I could be wrong). I find is weird for some reason, that Rosberg is Finnish too, and I do wonder what it would be like if he raced under a Finnish license.

    1. the awkward thing is, that santander trophy was the winning design from a contest of up and coming artists/designers. LOL. whoever made it must feel like a bit of a waste now!
      it was disgusting!

          1. Actually the more important thing here might be if you look where they were coming from with trophies @bforth, @omarr-pepper, @sato113. Remember up until this one, they had been handing out the smoking turd Santander logo trophies.
            Sure the quality of how it was made was sub par, and it shouldn’t replace such a great trophy as the British GP has. But the actual design of those trophies is a big step forward for Santander

          2. I think the design was okay. The execution was poor, and that the constraints of the competition meant it was still a variant of a corporate logo were the problems.

      1. It wouldn’t have been so bad without the bit wobbling away inside, it made it look very cheap and falling apart. I had already made a comment to that effect before Hamilton did. The person making it might not have had a big say in the materials used, in fairness

    1. Ah, common. Hamilton may be a drama-queen sometimes, but Mansell wasn´t until the mid-90s. Before that he was the drama itself within the ancient greek meaning of it.

      And I do miss drivers fighting till collapse. I know, there´s no way they could under the current regulations, but somehow I also can´t really imagine those todays drivers doing something comparable. Who of the current grid would try and push, given the same situation?

  4. Haha nice one Lewis.
    Its the eighth wonder of the universe, nobody really knows which nationality Rosberg is.
    Grosjean should be Swiss too but France bought him for €80Million or so the prophecy says.

    Also, a bit unrelated to what’s in the round-up today but I’ll say it anyway: It would be nice to have more updates on Schumacher’s recovery from the family, I know they want confidentiality but we care too! We rarely hear anything.

    1. Regarding Schumacher, I suspect that the family are coming to grips with some very big changes in their lives while they begin the process of learning how to care for Michael. I don’t begrudge them pulling back from the limelight to go through this process in private. In time, perhaps when they are in a better emotional “place”, they might re-introduce Michael to his fans. But even if they chose not to bring him back into the public eye, we all know that he is cared for, and loved. What else do we really need to know?

    2. For a guy who doesn’t pay much into the exchequer. The guy has some cajones to question anybodies nationality. It now opens up the door for people to accuse him of being a tax dodger who’s loyalty lies to the Prince of Monaco and not the Queen of England. Just saying!!

      1. @c4vtr In Spain some peple call Alonso “suizo” (Swiss) because he decided to live there for fiscal reasons, Shcumi did the same and many others do, personally I don’t think leaving your country to “save” money is an act of betrayal or questionable patriotism, one has the right to reduce his tax bill without tarnishing their love for hometown.

        It’s my humble opinion.

        1. Calling it your humble opinion does not make it less wrong… ;)
          In truth, it is and should be rather odious to any ordinary (read non-millionaire) member if society to see someone dodge taxes. How do you expect schools to be built, or police, ambulance drivers or firemen to be paid for, by charitable donations from the top 1% ? Good luck when your house catches fire or if you ever are in an accident that requires medical attention relying on the kindness of the rich… For god’s sake, being rich is not laudable in and of itself, it is usually a sign of being anti-social and greedy, but that’s just my humble opinion too. BTW, F1 drivers are NOT HEROES, they are entertainers (sadly few sportsmen, if any, remain in today’s F1) and are disgustingly well compensated for their considerable skill – the real heroes today are the poor mug on a negotiated public salary who run into a burning building or are expected to face down a gun or knife. F1 drivers (or anyone with a mega-yacht moored in Monaco) should see how most of the rest of the world lives, in poverty.

          1. @abbinator so Alonso, Hamilton, Rosberg, Schumacher, Massa and many others don’t like their countries because they do not agree with its fiscal policy? Or they’re just a greedy bunch?

            I think they decision to move is debatable but judge their love for their nations on that?

    1. Kimi teaching PR to the drivers… As much as I would absolutely love that, I have to say that the articles we all love would quickly become quite brief! :)

      “So Fernando, why did you go outside of the track?”
      -“I went wide.”

      “Jenson, fantastic result in front of your home crowd. How does it feel?”

      “Kimi, why did you crash on the wellington straight?”
      -“A bump.”


    2. I think the sort of answers Kimi gives just show how rubbish most of the questions he is asked are.

      If you want somebody to expound in their answer ask them to instead of giving them a yes/no questions and being surprised when they answer yes or no.

      Like this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kd8ij8l1q8Y

      That’s lazy journalism, and in my view dealt with appropriately.

        1. It was asked to the wrong person. Who in that room would have been unable to predict such an answer from Raikkonen?

          Besides, the focus of the question was so narrow, and, has been said elsewhere, if you allow somebody the opportunity to give a “yes” or “no” answer then you can’t be too upset when that’s all you get back.

          We moan about the limited pr driven answers we get from today’s drivers without really blaming the poor journalism that leads to them.

          Whoever got the “Nico’s not German” answer from Hamilton obviously got both the question, and the person they were asking it of, spot on!

      1. @maarten-f1 @keithcollantine @andy-m
        The journalist who is asking that question is Heikki Kulta from Turun Sanomat. He’s very respected Formula One journalist in Finland and he has often been the first one to report news related to Finnish drivers. Kimi must know him very well, so he was either playing a joke on his friend or then he’s annoyed about something that Kulta has written – most likely the first one. Either way, I don’t think his short answer had a lot to do with the question itself.

    3. Yeah that would be good.

      I don’t dislike Hamilton, and have no doubt he is one of the fastest drivers out there, but I’m seriously becoming fed up with the way he starts moaning about everything when it isn’t going correct, then the moment it does he feels the need to come out with this load of sugar, and tries to say things against Nico (which I am yet to see happen the other way round).

      As for Nico’s nationality, if he wants to consider himself German then that is his choice, and has nothing to do with Hamilton. I have two nationalities, and if I want to chose my (what I would consider) ‘foreign’ one to live by then I will, and there is no debate about that, no space for other people’s opinion. It is my decision, just like it is Nico’s.

      1. As for Nico’s nationality, if he wants to consider himself German then that is his choice, and has nothing to do with Hamilton. I have two nationalities, and if I want to chose my (what I would consider) ‘foreign’ one to live by then I will, and there is no debate about that, no space for other people’s opinion. It is my decision, just like it is Nico’s.

        What I do find odd though is that international sport events (such as F1) force people into choosing a single one, like “you have to decide which flag and anthem will be connected to you, and that will stay throughout your career. Any other heritage you have will from now on be a sidenote only”.

      1. He lives in Switzerland, but there’s a big difference between moving to a country at four weeks and growing up there and moving somewhere in your mid-twenties. I’ve lived in Spain for several years now and I have a near native ability in Spanish. Have I ever been mistaken for being Spanish? Never.

          1. I can’t imaging I’m going to change your mind, but this vitriol on his tax status is absurd. He lives in Monaco, so why on earth should he pay taxes to the UK? The reason you pay taxes is to fund the services you are using or could use. Hence paying the taxes of the country you live in. It’s pretty straightforward and a valid choice.

            It’s not as if he doesn’t contribute to the UK. The team he works for – and is a critical part of – employs a large number of people, most (if not all of whom) are in the UK, who all pay taxes here.

            If I had the kind of money Lewis has, I would seriously consider living in Monaco, regardless of any tax situation.

          2. How is that tax evasion? You pay taxes for the country you live in partly to cover your use of national services. If you live abroad then you aren’t using those services, so why on Earth should you still contribute taxes?

  5. @christiansylt, gives us Bernies history with digital media, I found several conclusions illogical not to mention that the headline seems inconsistent with the summation, the one thing that does shine through is that Bernie has lousy timeing.

    1. Actually, I think the most to the point is the opening part @hohum (I now read it), because it shows that Bernie is just afraid of burning his fingers (as he did with the digital tv idea) again. Would be interesting to read further thoughts from @GT_racer on this!

  6. Does Lewis have a “mind games” coach or something….?

    It was fantastic to see Lewis win on Sunday but again Lewis seems to be distracting himself by trying to “play mind games” with rosberg and at the same time it seems to end up confusing and distracting him more than it does Rosberg.

    The Monaco debacle seemed to leave him very paranoid about his place in the team or rather, his relationship with the team, and just when you think he has turned a corner….here we go again.

    Fine, he may be accurate in his assessment of Rosbergs nationality and we do not know what leading question he was asked but please Lewis, just drop the attempts at mind games and bloody drive!

  7. Niki Lauda is no dummey, Autosport have published a more complete less controversial account of his crticism of the delay in re-starting the race in which he suggests (as several of us have) a portable tyre barrier should have been quickly put in place and racing resumed within 15 minutes, I agree, portable tyre barriers have a long and effective history in motorsport, unfortunately the whole world works on a CYA basis.

  8. Sadly the formation lap is a problem for both ends of the grid, if the leaders speed up and the tail end slow down the leaders suffer sitting on the grid with engine temps riseing while their tyres are cooling.

    1. @hohum – Surely the solution to be fair to everyone is to say that at the safety car line, you have to line up 2 by 2 and drive to your grid spot. All your burnouts etc have to be done before then and you all drive to the grid together?

  9. Hamilton just can’t keep his estrogen levels under control. Apparently post race pms kicked in and subverted the male portion of his brain. Lewis is a talented driver with a untalented mouth. He can’t drive without some kind of drama going on to motivate himself. The only thing is Nico won’t give him any so he has to invent it himself. How pathetic…

    1. +1 LOL
      BTW, the whole flag and anthem thing… A bit silly by today’s global village standards to see this (even at the Olympics)… What actual pride can anyone take in someone else’s accomplishments just because they are from the same nation?

  10. So far, I like this Mattiacci guy at Ferrari. He is saying and (hopefully) doing the right things. Baby steps and continual improvement. They are in bad form by Ferrari standards, but Alonso is a heck of a driver and the car is, at least in his hands, a top 10 car. If Mattiacci can manage things right (and he is a good manager), they will be closer to the top in the coming years. He is assembling a good team around him, and if Alonso sticks around, they could be a force to be reckoned with.

  11. I agree with Massa that the formation laps that Mercedes lead are often incredibly slow, but saying that is it not the following drivers responsibility to leave enough room to do his burn-outs? I noticed that at the safety car restart Rosberg backed the pack up and then bolted while others were trying not to hit each other. I do feel that there should be some kind of delta the drivers should have to drive to on the formation laps that way everyone following would know how fast the can or can’t go and also it would help them all keep the distance they need for rear tyre warming.

    It’s a while since Massa has been that far back on the grid and I’m certain I’ve seen the back markers have this problem in the past, but no-one listens to them.
    My answer would be to lead the formation with the safety car and stick to the 10 car lengths as maximum gap. Then the pace is determined for them.
    Shame that word is missing from the FIA dictionary, along with common sense and decisive!

    1. A time delta or safety car sounds like a good idea to me. Although i was also thinking, does the 10 car lengths rule apply during the formation lap? Because if not, the cars at the back could simply wait another 30 seconds before setting off, then drive the formation lap at their own speed. Of course, this would make it 10 times worse for those at the front as they sit waiting for the grid to form, but i was just wondering if there was a rule in place.

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