Law change raises possibility of London Grand Prix

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Marco Sorenen, Lotus, London, 2014In the round-up: A change in the law to allow racing on public roads in Britain could pave the way for a grand prix in London.

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Motorsport to be allowed on Britain’s public roads, No 10 announces (The Telegraph)

“The race is a dearly-held ambition of Bernie Ecclestone, the 83-year-old motorsport supremo, and Jenson Button, the driver, in a spectacle to rival the Monaco Grand Prix. Ecclestone has previously said he would be prepared to foot the bill for race, given it could even overtake Monte Carlo as the jewel in Formula One’s crown.”

Michael Schumacher’s wife claims former F1 world champion is improving (The Guardian)

“Speaking to German women’s magazine, Neue Post, [his wife] Corinna was quoted as saying: ‘It’s getting better, slowly certainly, but in any case it’s improving.'”

Costs, not conspiracy behind FRIC move (Autosport)

“The fact that Mercedes’ main rivals – Red Bull, Ferrari, and Williams – have joined McLaren, Lotus and Marussia so far in saying they are happy for the systems to stay on board for 2014, proves that there is no plot to slow the Brackley-based outfit.”

Reasoning, Responsibility and Run-off (The Buxton Blog)

“[Kimi Raikkonen] did not join in a safe manner as he was at a speed the FIA has admitted was too high, and he was also not in control of his vehicle as the manner in which he rejoined the track resulted in an accident entirely of his making.”

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The FIA’s explanation for why Kimi Raikkonen was not punished for rejoining the track in an unsafe fashion at Silverstone drew some criticism:

“The governing body believed that any other driver would have rejoined the track in the same manner.”

So, if everybody ignores red lights, ignoring red lights is legal and the right thing to do.
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87 comments on Law change raises possibility of London Grand Prix

  1. Hairs (@hairs) said on 12th July 2014, 0:10

    “Safe is Fast”. The FIA’s slogan makes sense at last!

  2. Michael C said on 12th July 2014, 0:23

    Congratulations Nico and Vivian! …IWC are getting pretty invasive with their sponsor demands! Haha

    I think it would be better if the City GP was in Brussels… right next to the European environmental institute…

  3. trotter said on 12th July 2014, 0:23

    Good thing I was not the only one who found FIA’s explanation completely illogical. If anything, this means they need to clamp down on abuse of tarmac run-off areas. It’s ok to try to lose as least time as possible, but don’t floor it as if you are still on the track.

  4. trotter said on 12th July 2014, 0:34

    After reading comments from Kimi’s fans for pretty much a decade now, I gotta say, they are one of the most biased, stubborn and fanatical people on Earth. Those comments on Buxton’s blog are ridiculous. I don’t get it, what’s the appeal?

  5. Strontium (@strontium) said on 12th July 2014, 0:41

    CotD could not be better. Spot on.

    And it would be cool to get a London GP, but it won’t happen any time in the next decade.

    • beneboy (@beneboy) said on 12th July 2014, 9:08

      A London GP would be a terrible idea, London isn’t Monaco and a GP would cause nothing but trouble for the locals and the only people that would benefit would be the rich.

      Britain already has a GP and a new race in London would threaten Silverstone in many ways. If we’re going to have a second GP in Britain the planned Circuit of Wales would be a much better choice of venue as it would be a proper GP circuit instead of another crappy street circuit, would bring some much needed investment into the area, cause far less disruption to the local residents and most importantly would showcase somewhere other than London to the rest of the world.

      London is becoming a parasite that’s sucking the life from the rest of the country and the scum-bag Torries like Boris won’t be happy until every major event is held there so that they and their tax-avoiding friends never have to venture outside of the M25 while the rest of the country is left to implode due to a lack of investment.

  6. Joey-Poey (@joey-poey) said on 12th July 2014, 0:47

    Congrats to Mr. And Mrs. Rosberg! :D I may be rooting for Hammy, but I’m still ecstatic for Nico. I’m just a softie at heart!

  7. andrewf1 (@andrewf1) said on 12th July 2014, 0:50

    “The fact that Mercedes’ main rivals – Red Bull, Ferrari, and Williams – have joined McLaren, Lotus and Marussia so far in saying they are happy for the systems to stay on board for 2014, proves that there is no plot to slow the Brackley-based outfit.”

    It only proves there’s no plot by the other teams, yes. Of course all the other teams are fine with the FRIC system, they’ve been using it for years.
    The conspiracy revolves around good ol’ Bernie and his servant, Charlie Whiting acting against Mercedes, not the the other teams – you know, all in the name of “improving the show” or turning the teams against each other to make headlines.

    I personally don’t like conspiracy theories, but the FIA could’ve simply stated that FRIC is to be banned in 2015. Everyone would have been happy and nobody would’ve invested in the technology any longer.

    Instead, they go on and allow the technology to be protested, in the middle of the season…classy.
    Didn’t know that Charlie Whiting’s nickname is Pontius Pilate.

    • HoHum (@hohum) said on 12th July 2014, 1:26

      @andrewf1, yes, we can always count on the FIA to make a friccin mountain out of any molehill.

    • AdrianMorse (@adrianmorse) said on 12th July 2014, 6:46

      @andrewf1, I agree with your comment, and I while I also would not go as far as claiming there is a conspiracy, I think there is more on the agenda (of multiple parties) than cutting cost alone. From the autosport article:

      It was the response from teams, with most admitting that they were doing it for aerodynamic reasons to keep the ride height of the car constant, that set alarms bells ringing.

      In fact, it is understood one technical director told the FIA that his team was well aware that FRIC was purely there for aerodynamic gain, so could be at risk of being an illegal moveable aerodynamic device.

      So if, for example, Ferrari’s technical director would say “we are fine with FRIC staying, but we believe it to be an illegal aerodynamic device”, then this still would serve the purpose of outlawing it – and reigning in Mercedes’ advantage.

      Also, the FIA’s justification of the timing does not make sense. They want the decision soon, to save costs, so teams do not waste resources developing a 2015 FRIC-based car. Fine, then announce it will be banned for 2015, but do not require a regulation-change mid-season!

      Finally:

      Instead, they go on and allow the technology to be protested, in the middle of the season…classy. Didn’t know that Charlie Whiting’s nickname is Pontius Pilate.

      Exactly: the front-running teams cannot afford to go into the Hockenheim weekend with the possibility of Caterham saying on Sunday afternoon: “I believe these cars to be illegal”.

      So far, if I interpret the Autosport article correctly, Caterham, Force India and Toro Rosso have not agreed to postpone the ban, so it looks like the ban will be happening.

  8. David-A (@david-a) said on 12th July 2014, 1:02

    Come on, Matthew Holehouse, a new London Grand Prix will not usurp the history, glamour and spectacle of Monaco. And I am a Londoner.

  9. Aficionado said on 12th July 2014, 1:23

    I’m drooling at the thought of a GP in London. I can’t think of a city that’s as cold and urban in quite the same way as London. Make it so!!! And then, if you’re in the mood, put one in Vancouver so that I can save travel expenses to go to a GP every year. And you can save shipping on not bothering to bring any but the wets and intermediates :) Hey… a guy can dream…

    • skylab (@skylab) said on 12th July 2014, 15:38

      Why not Glasgow, Edinburgh, Cardiff or Belfast? The Mountain Circuit on the Isle Of Man!? Road Racing isn’t currently banned on the IOM or in NI so legislative change wouldn’t even be required. I think Bernie would just like to snarl up central London for a week. Let’s face it, if he is prepared to drop Monza, he isn’t to concerned about the quality of tracks F1 race on. If there was to be street race in GB, what would we want from it? Landmarks in the background? Impressive scenery? An Asda carpark!?

  10. Michael Brown (@) said on 12th July 2014, 1:34

    Whiting talks about standing starts:

    http://m.crash.net/f1/news/206600/1/whiting-mclaren-proposed-standing-starts.html

    “…what is the most exciting part of the race? The start. So why not have a second one?”

  11. Breno (@austus) said on 12th July 2014, 1:57

    I wonder if the FRIC issue might have something to do with Mclaren’s butterfly suspension (if they’re still running that).

  12. In_Silico (@insilico) said on 12th July 2014, 2:53

    So would a race in London take the place of Silverstone as the home for the British Grand Prix? I certainly hope not. Hearing about London and Azerbaijan as potential Grand Prix’s in the future does irk me quite a bit, because is there still is no real prospect of getting a French Grand Prix back on the calender any time soon? Not that I’m biased in any way, but for a country which has had so much motor-racing history to not have a place on the F1 calender is wrong in my eyes. Especially when F1 races in the likes of Azerbaijan are becoming a real possibility. It doesn’t seem right.

    • Iestyn Davies (@fastiesty) said on 12th July 2014, 16:49

      When Bernie needs it badly enough, it could come back with a minimal hosting fee I’m sure. Depends on how many cash-rich countries continue with their races, and if any like Dubai or Qatar want in. Korea and India have already fallen by the wayside.. maybe Mexico could come back, once the COTA exclusivity period runs out.

    • Jules Winfield (@jules-winfield) said on 12th July 2014, 19:28

      Silverstone has a 17 year contract (from 2009).

      A better solution would be a rotating “European Grand Prix” that transfers from country to country every year, and for London to feature as one of these races.

    • Klon (@klon) said on 13th July 2014, 14:16

      So would a race in London take the place of Silverstone as the home for the British Grand Prix? I certainly hope not.

      I certainly do hope so. With Turkey gone, Silverstone has literally no competition for “most overrated track on the calendar” and so anything that removes it from said calendar is very much fine with me.

  13. Jay (@j-rva) said on 12th July 2014, 3:03

    I’m wondering if this his London GP does happen, if will it replace the current British Grand Prix Silverstone, or be an additional round like the “European” Grand Prix?

    • GT Racer (@gt-racer) said on 12th July 2014, 4:27

      I don’t believe it could use the British Gp banner as Silverstone have a long term deal & I can’t see them giving up the British Gp title.
      I don’t see them using European Gp, It would likely be the London Gp or maybe something like Capital Gp.

      Whatever the case I don’t see it happening for F1, Silverstone wouldn’t allow it & I see there been a lot of local resistance to it due to the disruption it would cause & especially the work that would need to be done.
      The biggest problem would be the amount of money that would need to be spent on building the facilities & paying the hosting fee which given the government cuts would cause all manor of problems if they started spending money on that while at the same time continuing to cut funding to other areas.
      Also unlike something like the Olympics (Which also got heavy criticism for what was spent to build everything & host them) the benefits to the locals & the UK as a whole are harder to explain.

    • BasCB (@bascb) said on 12th July 2014, 9:05

      I think its far more to do with really enabling the Formula E run really.

    • Rylan Ziegler said on 12th July 2014, 20:49

      Or perhaps would they be allowed to have Silverstone retain the title of British Grand Prix, and London called The Grand Prix of the United Kingdom? The naming rules don’t make a huge amount of sense to me, so I’m not sure if they would be too similar or not

  14. Mackeine Loveine (@cocaine-mackeine) said on 12th July 2014, 3:33

    @keithcollantine I’ve got a question, and maybe some people will get annoyed , but I really don’t know what it is, in my 10 years of following F1 (which isn’t too much tho). What is the FRIC suspension? And what effect can make in the field if it is banned?

  15. GT Racer (@gt-racer) said on 12th July 2014, 4:39

    On the FRIC ban, As I understand things based off what I’ve read as well as some other stuff i’ve heard, The FRIC system is now been used & been developed to do things which go beyond what the original intent was & thats why the FIA feel the need to act.

    Its like other things in the past, The original idea was looked at as been fine but as it gets developed it eventually gets to a point where its no longer sticking to the original interpretation & starts heading down a path where it isn’t fully legal.

    The Renault mass damper system was similar, The original concept was fine but as it developed it became clear that it was becoming far more advanced & doing much more than the original concept put to the FIA said it would do & it eventually reached a point where what it was doing had reached a grey area.
    The hot blowing exhaust diffuser was similar, Originally it was looked at as been OK but as things developed the FIA became less happy with how it was been used & what effect it was having on the cars.

    Banning these things mid-season however is something i’ve always disliked, Unless its something thats a clear breach of the regulations or something thats been protested by other teams which they prove contradicts something (That happens a fair bit, You usually don’t hear much about it though unless its something big).

    • Jules Winfield (@jules-winfield) said on 12th July 2014, 19:28

      Why act now? Why not act at the start of the season?

      • Dom (@3dom) said on 12th July 2014, 22:21

        On the FRIC ban, As I understand things based off what I’ve read as well as some other stuff i’ve heard, The FRIC system is now been used & been developed to do things which go beyond what the original intent was & thats why the FIA feel the need to act.

        @gt-racer any specific things that FRIC’s being used for that you know of?

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