Qualifying problems now ‘beyond bad luck’ – Hamilton

2014 Hungarian Grand Prix

Lewis Hamilton, Mercedes, Hungaroring, 2014A frustrated Lewis Hamilton says he feels his misfortune with mechanical failures is now getting to a point where ‘it is beyond bad luck’.

Hamilton had not even completed his first timed lap of qualifying today when his Mercedes engine was engulfed in a fire that forced him to stop at the entry of pit lane.

The suspected fuel leak doomed him to start on the back row of the grid for the second consecutive race as team mate and rival Nico Rosberg took another pole position.

“I think it is getting to the point where it is beyond bad luck,” said Hamilton, who will start no higher than 21st tomorrow.

“I bailed out of that timed lap that I was doing and was going to do another timed lap and then something happened to my brakes. Something in the system failed. I had to engage some systems and then the engine just died.

“I was right next to the pit lane entry so I thought I could roll back but then I looked in the mirror and realised I was on fire. I was still trying to get to the garage. I thought we could still do something, then they said ‘stop, stop, stop’. It’s all pretty bad.”

Hungary marks the latest in a run of problems for Hamilton in qualifying, including two consecutive mechanical failures. Despite coming through the field to third after starting from the back last weekend in Germany, Hamilton is less optimistic about his chances tomorrow.

“I honestly don’t know what I can do tomorrow,” Hamilton admitted.

“This is a track that you cannot overtake on so I think I will struggle to get in the top ten tomorrow or at least the top five. I will probably leave here more than 20 points behind Nico, but there are still races to go. I don’t know what to say, I will try my best.”

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229 comments on Qualifying problems now ‘beyond bad luck’ – Hamilton

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  1. Little_M_Lo (@pezlo2013) said on 26th July 2014, 15:14

    Conspiracy Theory.

    Could Mercedes, a German manufacturer, secretly wish Rosberg, a German driver, to win the Driver’s Title?

    • Dave (@raceprouk) said on 26th July 2014, 15:16

      I really do sincerely hope you’re joking.

    • Fer no.65 (@fer-no65) said on 26th July 2014, 15:17

      He’s not really German :P

    • Hamilfan (@hamilfan) said on 26th July 2014, 15:18

      I ralize this is meant to be a joke . But it’s getting beyond funny :( .

      • Terry said on 27th July 2014, 0:53

        It is probably not a conspiracy but the team needs to bust ass to quell suspicion. Gearboxes, virus like computer problems, brake problems, fires … If it’s not a conspiracy, they best step it up… If it’s not a conspiracy, it is relative incompetency in the same shop.

    • scd said on 26th July 2014, 16:00

      the management is austrian though and the team is mostly english

      hamilton is more marketable than rosberg, the germans won’t care either way if rosberg wins WDC since he has little following so not much point sabotaging in his favour for domestic market…

      • Sven (@crammond) said on 26th July 2014, 17:02

        Actually I´m pretty sure there are more Hamilton than Rosberg-fans in Germany. However, if you put up an ad with Rosberg and a car, people are more probable to talk about the car than it would be with Hamilton, who has large groups of both fans and disapprovers.
        On the other hand, Hamilton might create marketing attention in further markets, like e.g. in the US (with the help of that pop-it-girl-girlfriend).

        An engine (that is supposed to run a further nearly 350 km at least) going up in smoke is still far worse than having the “wrong” driver be the first in a 1-2, though.

      • OmarR-Pepper (@omarr-pepper) said on 26th July 2014, 17:46

        the management is austrian

        Let’s blame Red Bull!!!!!!!!!!!

    • JCost (@jcost) said on 26th July 2014, 17:17

      Why? F1 is not only a technology platform, it’s a marketing platform too. Lewis seems to be the more popular driver if they were into favoring one driver they could well go behind Lewis. I think it’s a case of bad luck, that’s all.

    • Dave (@raceprouk) said on 26th July 2014, 17:38

      May as well add this too:
      The Mercedes team is based in Brackley, which is in the United Kingdom. It is fronted by Toto Wolff (Austrian), Paddy Lowe (British), Bob Bell (British), Jock Clear (British), Nick Fry (British), Aldo Costa (Italian), Niki Lauda (Austrian), James Vowles (British) and Geoff Willis (British).

      Let’s get one thing straight: Mercedes is German in name only.

      • Ed Bone said on 26th July 2014, 20:08

        Mercedes AMG Petronas is 100% owned by Daimler AG, the German automobile manufacturer.

        The team are just employees.

        • BasCB (@bascb) said on 26th July 2014, 20:28

          yes. And the biggest markets for Mercedes are probably China and the US (in that order) where its quite likely that Hamilton sells more /gets more interest than Rosberg.

        • Dave (@raceprouk) said on 26th July 2014, 20:42

          And the ownership is relevant why?

          • Ed bone said on 26th July 2014, 23:09

            If you dont understand the relationship between the owners of a business and their employees, I am not going explain it to you.

            But consider this. There is not a single person in Germany who thinks Mercedes is British team.

      • Optimaximal (@optimaximal) said on 26th July 2014, 23:13

        Just to clarify, Nick Fry left before Ross Brawn.

      • Ian said on 30th July 2014, 13:53

        That as maybe but doesn’t stop someone sabotaging a car all they need is the right security clearance. Could be anyone. Someone who doesn’t like the driver, paid by the other.The easiest would be one of the mechanics.

    • Wachira Maina said on 26th July 2014, 20:18

      There is conspiracy theory (which is rubbish) and then there is probability. I wonder at what point someone in the mercedes garage will feel that there is need to explain the probability of one of two exactly the same cars fails five times out of eleven. especially when the same car has not failed in practice… That really is the issue not the conspiracy theory.

      • Ed bone said on 26th July 2014, 23:17

        Let me guess: you are amulti-millionaire? As in you have used your statistic prowess to amass a huge fortune on the stock market? Right?

        And that is how you know for certain there is no conspiracy?

        Such a thing could never happen in F1 could it?

        I mean, look at the data…

      • LeeG said on 27th July 2014, 8:47

        Fully agree, why is it that Lewis consistently out performs the field in practice with no issues, but then has reliability issues in qualification and the race? What anyone says, it would appear that Nico is favoured at Mercedes.

    • Fa-well said on 26th July 2014, 22:00

      Likely, no prove. Why those mechanical bad luck failure all happened to Lewis.

    • HoHum (@hohum) said on 26th July 2014, 23:01

      LEWIS give back Webbers lucky rabbits foot !

    • JohnH (@johnrkh) said on 26th July 2014, 23:20

      Could Mercedes, a German manufacturer, secretly wish Rosberg, a German driver, to win the Driver’s Title?

      Well yes of course they would, but to go to such lengths? No.

    • Ben (@flyersf1) said on 26th July 2014, 23:40

      I agree total inside job..Mercedes wants a German #1 so sabotage Lewis over and over nico can’t pass so as long as he starts in front he’s good and they know Lewis can barge through the field and at least get some points for constructors..I see Lewis returning to Mclaren in the future and Seb taking his spot at Merc but by the Mclaren will be superior once again with Honda power and the Mercedes advantage will be gone.

    • Johnplayer said on 27th July 2014, 12:49

      Yes why wouldn’t they also this talk about vettel two germans and merc sounds fitting doesn’t it hamilton is better than rosberg and that is a fact hamiltons car plagued with problems its on purpose now its beyond a joke. Too obvious.

    • Johnplayer said on 27th July 2014, 13:01

      At the end come night fall if rosberg wins championship it will be a tainted diluted win. The amount of problems the opposition car had and yes its the two mercs its not a fight.

    • Paul said on 27th July 2014, 13:13

      I agree, maybe just a little more effort is going into Rosbergs car, that’s the only explantion for his constant car failure.

    • petebaldwin (@petebaldwin) said on 27th July 2014, 17:46

      Obviously not anything like a conspiracy. I agree with Lewis though – it’s not just bad luck. There are obviously issues that Mercedes need to sort out!

      Is it bad luck that the Renault engine is rubbish? No. They didn’t do a good enough job and as things stand, Mercedes aren’t doing a good enough job with Lewis’ car.

    • Richard said on 27th July 2014, 18:40

      Totally agree with your thoughts …..disgraceful

    • john dillon said on 27th July 2014, 18:45

      I agree ~~
      Statistically what chances of so many failures.
      ‘I will do anything to win’
      Lewis – watch your back!!!!

  2. celeste (@celeste) said on 26th July 2014, 15:14

    Feel sorry for Hamilton.

  3. Dan said on 26th July 2014, 15:16

    No one can deny he as been very unfortuante this year. I heard someone saying they wish Ham smiled more like, Ros, lets face it life has been sweet for Ros from day 1, Ham has been chasing all season. I mean 2nd race he is like its ok still 18 infront, Bahrain it is ok still 11 infront, China it is ok still infront. Ham gained lead for 1 race. He as been very unlucky.

    • William Stuart (@williamstuart) said on 26th July 2014, 15:42

      Yeah, can’t imagine Rosberg smiling this one off, despite that though Lewis sounded less depressed in his interview with SSF1 than earlier failures. Maybe he doesn’t feel any pressure now that all this has gone against him? That’s good for him because I have always felt he’s not great under direct pressure, so he’ll race far better if the title seems ‘beyond reach’ (Of course it’s not however). My money is still on Lewis for the title, thankfully though I have no money to lose…

    • Fer no.65 (@fer-no65) said on 26th July 2014, 15:49

      He’s been unlucky but let’s not forget that his mistakes are probably the reason why he’s behind Rosberg in the championship. With the DNF of Hami at Australia and Rosberg at Silverstone cancelling each other, we’re left with the reliability problems at Hockenheim and Hungary.

      In Canada both drivers had the same problem and while it’s undeniable that being behind Nico made getting round the issue a little bit more difficult, we cannot forget that Lewis should’ve been on pole there. In Austria he traied Nico because of his own problems in qualifying too, and at Silverstone again he was in the backfoot in Saturday making life a little bit more difficult for the race. It was luck on his side that Rosberg retired before he catched him. Who knows what could’ve happened.

      Sometimes you make your own luck. Jackie Stewart used to say that in motorsport there wasn’t any “luck” involved, that to a certain degree, it was probably something you did that created that bad luck.

      Of course an engine failure is still and engine failure, but Lewis made life for himself difficult plenty of times this year while Rosberg, maybe a little bit slower on pace, has not put a foot wrong all season and we shouldn’t forget that.

      • trublu (@trublu) said on 26th July 2014, 16:04

        Amazing how you and others love to blame Hamilton for his DNF in Austria. He wasn’t on pole therefore it’s his fault. Amazing!

        • matt90 (@matt90) said on 26th July 2014, 16:15

          He came 2nd in Austria…

        • Fer no.65 (@fer-no65) said on 26th July 2014, 16:16

          @trublu DNF at Austria? I suppose you mean Canada

          I don’t “love” to blame Hamilton, I’m just saying that it’s not like Rosberg had it all done for him, he made no mistakes during the year, while Hamilton, love him or not, did.

          Those mistakes are costly, reliability issues can happen to both of them, and if they are equal in DNF come the end of the year, Rosberg will still be ahead (unless one of those DNF happen at Abu Dhabi but that’s another matter).

          • JCost (@jcost) said on 26th July 2014, 17:38

            @fer-no65 Rosberg did some qualy mistakes too. In Monaco his mistake prevented Hamilton from improving his time at track where track position is gold. He made a mistake in Q3 in China. Rosberg made a mistake in Canada and cut the chicane to keep himself ahead of Lewis….

            The thing is, when he missed the corner in Monaco he did not loose any place because he had provisional pole and nobody else could improve due to yellow flags. Despite his mistake in China, he managed to start P4, not critical for a Mercedes at a track you can overtake. In Canada he was allowed to keep position because race control did not find malpractice when he floored the penal while cutting the chicane.

            Lewis has made mistakes in Canada, Austria and Britain (and actually he locked up on his last attempt in Bahrain) but both in Britain and Austria he managed to put himself in P2 before the last quarter of the race and he did jumped Rosberg in Canada. His most costly “mistakes” seem to be Australia, Germany and apparently Hungary.

        • Dr. Jekyll (@dr-jekyll) said on 26th July 2014, 16:17

          He didn’t blame him, he just said that sometimes you can influence your “luck”

          Hamilton hasn’t done many things wrong this season, but neither has Rosberg… Why some people feel that Hamilton DESERVES to be in the lead and have good “luck” over Rosberg is beyond me, they are both clearly top of the class drivers and both are delivering as good as the car can deliver.

          The championship is FAR from over, and it annoys me to hear everyone say it week after week, including Hamilton himself

        • Maksutov (@maksutov) said on 27th July 2014, 8:50

          It also comes down to how Hamilton drives the car. Maybe he is just pushing that little bit extra out of the car atm… hence failures.. that engine went from last on the gid to 2nd in the previous race… who kows; But if it makes people feel better to think that its a conspiracy, then go ahead… ill just laugh …

      • D (@f190) said on 26th July 2014, 16:16

        “has not put a foot wrong all season and we shouldn’t forget that.”

        Really ?

        He’s made several mistakes in qualifying and even had the spin in china. He made quite big contact at the start of the race in China as well. He ran wide in the race at Canada and was lucky not to get a penalty. He was also lucky not to crash out in Canada after a mistake through the chicane which put him extremely close to the wall. And lets not forget his mistake in Monaco qualifying which lead to his pole.

        I agree he’s been great in most races, but to say he hasn’t put a foot wrong is just not correct.

      • JCost (@jcost) said on 26th July 2014, 17:25

        are you serious @fer-no65?

        Australia. Germany. Hungary. No fault of his own making. Even Canada was not his creation, it was the situation of being behind Rosberg. He made up his qualy mistake in Canada by jumping Rosberg after their pits but his brakes gave up. After his bad call in Silverstone he managed to put himself in position to fight for the win on Sunday but the battle never happened because Nico had mechanical problems (not Nico’s fault either!).

        I don’t get you’re reasoning mate.

        • Fer no.65 (@fer-no65) said on 26th July 2014, 18:45

          @jcost All I’m saying is that it’s not just Hamilton being unlucky. There’s a fair share of costly mistakes too. It’s not “luck” from Rosberg to be leading either… Let’s face it, these reliability issues would be easier on Hamilton otherwise.

          Canada for instance. You say he made a mistake in qualifying and that’s true. So that mistake lead him to be behind Rosberg when both their cars hit problems… that’s what I’m saying.

          • JCost (@jcost) said on 26th July 2014, 19:26

            @fer-no65 technically one can talk about Lewis bad luck without implying Rosberg.

            Nico is not causing Lewis mechanical problems but he has been the main benefactor of Lewis bad luck, it was the other way around in Britain when Lewis inherited the win after Nico’s retirement. It’s just a fact. It’s not Nico’s fault, it is what it is.

            His mistakes have not been less than Nico’s. Those mistakes were not very costly either in terms of race position.

            On Canada, all I can do is respect your opinion, but it’s very far for my own opinion on the matter.

            It’s not a crime to win a race or even a championship due to other people’s bad luck, some of us seem to panic when people mention “Lewis bad luck” and “Rosberg championship lead” in the same sentence. Relax guys, nobody is blaming Nico, he’s doing a great season.

          • Fer no.65 (@fer-no65) said on 26th July 2014, 21:12

            @jcost :P I’m not blaming anyone… I’m just saying… it doesn’t feel right to me to say “unbelievable how unlucky he is”.

            I’m a Mark Webber fan and he’s been tipped as an unlucky guy in F1. But most of the time he made his own bad luck.

            All I’m saying is that we just shouldn’t rest the championship situation on bad luck. Or conspiracy or whatever… no one deserves or not deserves the championship because of luck.

      • Jason (@jason12) said on 26th July 2014, 17:49

        @fer-no65
        Unbelievable!

      • matt said on 26th July 2014, 21:37

        luck is random.noone can make there own luck,good or bad.lewis in both races he got a dnf was on pole or leading.then these 2 problems in q1 have cost him a chance to get pole and wins.nico only has to beat lewis,so this is benefitting him big time.

    • Anders (@theders90) said on 26th July 2014, 21:45

      I don’t think it’s really worth mentioning that Nico has been the main benefactor of Lewis’ luck; that much is obvious considering they are both driving a car that’s at minimum half a second a lap faster than any other competitors.

      Bad luck happens from time to time but by and large you make your own bad luck. Lewis has had more slip-ups than Nico, simple as that.

  4. Dan said on 26th July 2014, 15:18

    Do people think Ham can still come 2nd even in dry. Remember without DRS and just Kers he use to be good going down to turn 3 which is a short DRS straight now, so if he stays close he will do well their surely? Anyone think he can get 2nd still?

    • Its a fierce piece of machinery and Lewis will drive his bawls off,
      If anyone can do 2nd from there its Ham,
      Its everest though ,make no mistake,

    • Neil (@neilosjames) said on 26th July 2014, 16:09

      Expect the other Mercedes-engined teams might spoil it for him. Don’t think he’ll have the straight-line speed to pass them (unless he can get that Turn 2 move he’s done a few times going).

    • George (@george) said on 26th July 2014, 18:57

      Only advantage he has is a lot of sets of soft tyres, if he can avoid smashing pieces off his car that should give him a big pace advantage.

    • Anders (@theders90) said on 26th July 2014, 22:11

      I think he’ll be able to pick his way up near the points without too much trouble given the massive speed difference between the Mercedes vs. Caterham/Marussia/Lotus/etc. Once he gets towards other Merc-powered cars I think he’ll only really make ground through pit strategy.

  5. sainaa (@sainaa) said on 26th July 2014, 15:20

    There is no hope for Lewis to win the championship as long as Toto remains the boss at Mercedes. Clearly there is a plot against Lewis.

  6. Ean (@ean) said on 26th July 2014, 15:22

    Vettel has had the same bad luck and he has not blamed anyone

    • Dan said on 26th July 2014, 15:25

      Vet is a 4XWC he is not fighting for a title and Ham is in a car were he can maximum take 7 off Nico and he is having all the bad luck, hardly comparable my friend.

      • Mads (@mads) said on 26th July 2014, 15:28

        2010 *cough* *cough*

      • kpcart said on 26th July 2014, 15:28

        just because he is fighting for championship makes lewises luck worse then Vettels?? NO! if anything Hamilton is LUCKY for having a car able to fight for the championship. he is not the best driver in the field but is fighting an even worse driver and loosing because of 2 things, bad luck, but also his own errors in qualifying.

        • Hamilfan (@hamilfan) said on 26th July 2014, 15:32

          “he is not the best driver in the field”

          Agree with you , I do not !

        • Rick (@richardk) said on 26th July 2014, 15:33

          Ha ha, of course Hamilton’s lucky…..he’s lucky Merc made him a mobile barbecue, all he needs now are some sausages to go with it, how thoughtful of them :-)

          • William Stuart (@williamstuart) said on 26th July 2014, 15:44

            Haha, some tasty German sausages will do…

          • matiascasali (@matiascasali) said on 26th July 2014, 16:46

            Ask any other driver if he wants to have Hamilton’s luck. Even starting last, he can easily get to the podium, because he’s a great driver and he have a car from another planet. I wonder if Vettel or Alonso wouldn’t want to have that kind of luck!

        • OmarR-Pepper (@omarr-pepper) said on 26th July 2014, 17:56

          he is not the best driver in the field

          Here my personal ranking of who are the best drivers this year:
          1. Bottas
          2. Ricciardo
          3. Alonso
          4. Rosberg
          5. Hamilton
          6. Hulkenberg
          7. Vettel
          8. Kvyat
          9. Massa
          10. Bianchi

          • David-A (@david-a) said on 26th July 2014, 18:14

            Rather harsh having the Mercedes drivers in 4th & 5th.

          • matt90 (@matt90) said on 26th July 2014, 19:05

            Why is Rosberg ahead of Hamilton? In clean races, Hamilton has the upper hand 4-2. What bout their performances in Australia, Canada, Britain, and Germany, sway it towards Rosberg for you?

            I’m also surprised to see Bottas so high. He has indeed raced well recently, particularly given his experience, but has he been so strong over the whole season?

          • OmarR-Pepper (@omarr-pepper) said on 27th July 2014, 6:22

            @david-a @matt90 maybe I base my logic in years of experience and car level. Yes, maybe you can put HAM and ROS swapping places and having them 2 steps higher, and maybe you can also swap Bottas and Ricciardo. But as I say, it’s just my personal opinion.

          • matt90 (@matt90) said on 27th July 2014, 12:07

            I know it is, I was just trying to understand why that is your opinion. So what about Rosberg puts him higher for you?

    • Eric (@) said on 26th July 2014, 15:44

      @ean

      Vettel has had worse luck this year. Austrailia, Monaco and Austria. 3 DNF’s due to problems out of his control. Hamilton can at least recover good points tomorrow. And who knows, at Silverstone he won it easily because Rosberg had to retire.

      • Dan said on 26th July 2014, 15:54

        But say Ham does recover Eric that means we will not know how Hockenheim and Hun would play out. Atleast one victory for Ham surely. If Ham had no problem in Qually in Ger and won which is a 50%chance of happening, Ham is 3 ahead instead of 14 behind it is a huge diff. I agree though mate Vet been unlucky this year, perfect time though when not in title battle.

      • Corrado (@corrado-dub) said on 26th July 2014, 17:34

        Maybe, but fortunately for VET, there’s nothing to win for him this year. If he finishes 5th or DNF… is more or less the same thing, believe me. For HAM tho… there’s a title to lose.

      • Jabosha (@jabosha) said on 26th July 2014, 20:43

        Yeah, Vetts luck has been disastrous, without a doubt. So has Grosjean and Maldanado.

    • Optimaximal (@optimaximal) said on 26th July 2014, 23:19

      Actually, I’m pretty sure he’s blamed Renault plenty of times..!

  7. Dan said on 26th July 2014, 15:23

    Do you lot think he can defo start, i no FIA will clear him, im on about the car damage. Also way things are going Ham be getting grid dop for the double pts race, so annoying.

    • Sven (@crammond) said on 26th July 2014, 15:35

      Ham will surely start, it´s just not sure yet wether that will be from P22 on the grid or from the pitlane, if they have to change certain parts under the parc ferme.
      And everyone will have grid drops by the time the last race comes.

  8. kpcart said on 26th July 2014, 15:25

    Lewis, what about all the errors you have made???? they are equal to the bad luck

    • Patrickl (@patrickl) said on 26th July 2014, 15:59

      The only error Hamilton made was in Austria during qualifying. Rosberg went off during two qualifications (China and Monaco) and had a couple of bad starts which cost him race wins.

      • Mcquiz (@mcquiz) said on 26th July 2014, 17:34

        The only error? You must be joking. What about him messing up his qualifying in Silverstone and him crashing into Räikkönen and Button in Hockenheim.

        • Patrickl (@patrickl) said on 26th July 2014, 18:13

          At Silverstone was a gamble that more than half the top 10 took. But I guess that’s an error yes. Still 2 errors is hardly a lot and it’s still a lot less than the number of errors that Rosberg made.

          BTW Don’t be ridiculous about some minor contact when passing 17 cars.

          • tmekt (@tmekt) said on 27th July 2014, 0:07

            @patrickl

            That “minor contact” cost him a likely second place.

            Add that to the mistake on his first flying lap in Q3 in Austria which cost him a very likely pole or at least a second place on the grid (and therefore an automatic win) he would be 3 points ahead of Rosberg in WDC standings.

          • Patrickl (@patrickl) said on 27th July 2014, 11:33

            Button already admitted that him leaving the door wide open gave the “wrong” impression.

            Austria was already mentioned. So only 2 errors. Lot less than he had car troubles and even less than the amount of errors that Rosberg made. Although Rosberg made his errors when he was under pressure and he hasn’t been under pressure so much with Hamilton’s car failing so often.

    • montreal95 (@montreal95) said on 26th July 2014, 16:02

      No, they’re not

    • matt90 (@matt90) said on 26th July 2014, 16:57

      A likely 25 points in Australia (18 to be conservative), we’ll gloss over the Monaco qualifying incident, 15-25 points in Canada (18-25 assuming Rosberg didn’t have an issue either, or perhaps 15-25 assuming that both had the problem but without a brake failure), 7-10 points in Germany, and almost certainly a fair amount tomorrow.

      So from bad luck he’s lost 40 points to be conservative, more likely 50, possibly as high as 60. I suppose you could include Rosberg’s misfortune, so Hamilton being ‘gifted’ the British win (if you don’t think he looked good to catch and pass Rosberg even before his problem started costing him time), makes it a conservative 33 he’s lost to Rosberg, likely 43-50, possible 60. That’s before tomorrow.

      That goes against a possible but not definite 7 from Austria due to his own error. Erm, am I missing something?

      • matt90 (@matt90) said on 26th July 2014, 18:52

        A couple of errors actually. in the first paragraph it should be 3-10 points in Germany. And in that 2nd paragraph where I didn’t factor in the points Rosberg would have earnt if he finished 1st or 2nd. It doesn’t really matter in the grand scheme of things, as what you’re comparing is Hamilton’s bad luck compared to his own errors, which should be in isolation of Rosberg’s influence anyway. But for the purpose of being thorough and balancing his bad luck with his ‘good luck’ (benefiting from Rosberg’s retirement)…

        A likely 25 points in Australia (18 to be conservative), we’ll gloss over the Monaco qualifying incident, 15-25 points in Canada (18-25 assuming Rosberg didn’t have an issue either, or perhaps 15-25 assuming that both had the problem but without a brake failure), 3-10 points in Germany, and almost certainly a fair amount tomorrow.

        So from bad luck he’s lost 36 points to be very conservative, more likely 46-53, possibly as high as 60.

        I suppose you could include Rosberg’s misfortune. So including all occasions that one driver finishing ahead of the other would reduces the other’s score, Hamilton being ‘gifted’ the British win (if you don’t think he looked good to catch and pass Rosberg even before his problem started costing him time), makes it a ridiculously conservative 0 he’s lost relative to Rosberg (assuming he could only manage 2nd in Australia, Canada, Britain and Germany with Rosberg 1st in all), likely 14-28 (Hamilton winning just 1 or 2 of those races), possible 49. That’s before tomorrow.

  9. lethalnz said on 26th July 2014, 15:25

    you do start to think like him, “Hamilton”
    but look at a couple of other drivers in the field who are having their fair share of problems/mishaps
    some might be self in inflicted and others their team making the wrong call,
    if it was to carry on into any more races i would definitely start to think conspiracy,
    but bad luck sometimes just follows you around, it will change i hope.

  10. Overwatch (@overwatch) said on 26th July 2014, 15:29

    I think there could be some incompetence on one side of garage. This goes back to Schumacher days in Mercedes…

    • Rick (@richardk) said on 26th July 2014, 15:39

      I simply won’t believe someone in Merc is doing this on purpose but I do think the slow pit stops and unreliability could be to do with one side of the garage not being as good as the other.

      • Dave said on 26th July 2014, 17:08

        Except there is only one pit crew that do the tire changes, when both cars come into the pits together, you don’t see the pit crew swapping out when the first car exits the box, no there’s only one crew and they like Rosebud better than LH for some reason.

        • JenniKate (@jennikate) said on 26th July 2014, 19:27

          I’ve got a vague recollection (so do correct me if I’ve got it wrong!!) of the Sky team commenting on more than one occasion that Hamilton missed his marks when coming into the pits – which would account for the slower pit stops.

          • Tweaek said on 26th July 2014, 19:55

            That was one stop supposedly in Austria, and Mark Webber asked the question “maybe you missed your mark” when mentioning Hamilton’s slower pit stops. It was never confirmed he missed his marks.

            From all the races through Britain, Nico has had faster pit stops in all but two of the races.
            Race LH Total NR Total2 Difference for Lewis
            1-Australia DNF NA NA NA NA
            2-Malaysia
            1 24.484 74.384 24.654 74.664 0.28
            2 24.604 24.723
            3 25.296 25.287
            3-Bahrain
            1 24.687 49.833 24.851 49.758 -0.075
            2 25.146 24.907
            4-China
            1 22.968 46.967 23.089 46.366 -0.601
            2 23.999 23.277
            5-Spain
            1 22.951 46.541 22.254 44.563 -1.978
            2 23.59 22.309
            6-Monaco
            1 27.509 24.672 -2.837
            7-Canada
            1 23.554 47.971 23.882 48.984 1.013
            2 24.417 25.102
            8-Austria
            1 22.226 44.781 21.474 43.138 -1.643
            2 22.555 21.664
            9-Britain
            1 29.291 28.329 -0.962

    • Eric (@) said on 26th July 2014, 15:41

      @overwatch

      Except last year Rosberg suffered the majority of reliability issues.

      • Dan said on 26th July 2014, 15:52

        Yet did not affect the points. For example he had a girfted win in Silverstone, and he retired in 7th in Hungary with few laps left. His retirements would not mean he was ahead, work it out. This year on the other hand……

      • AdrianMorse (@adrianmorse) said on 26th July 2014, 19:16

        @baron-2, indeed, it’s easy to forget that last year Rosberg had three race-ending mechanical failures, while Lewis had none. I don’t recall anyone making a big deal about it then. Of course, as Dan points out, Rosberg’s retirements were not from very high-scoring positions. If I recall correctly, sixth behind Lewis in Australia, somewhere 7-9 in China, and ninth in Hungary. Also, they weren’t fighting for the championship in 2013.

        So, a difference of three mechanical failures between the Mercedes drivers is nothing new or remarkable, but of course this season they are much more significant. And the engine penalties have not even started.

  11. I’m just waiting to hear Toto wollf explain which factor could be more unfair on the championship decision: the double points race at Abu Dhabbi or the constancy of problema in almost one side of his garage…

  12. Smiffy said on 26th July 2014, 15:34

    These failures happening to Hamilton, in Q1, so he’s always at the back? Is this beyond a joke? Certainly.
    German manufacturer wants world constructors trophy, with a German Driver as World Champion in the same season that Germany wins the World Cup.
    These failures are to ensure that Hamilton DOESN’T get a chance to compete with Rosberg. Last time brake failure nearly wasn’t quite enough, this time brake and then engine fire – just to be sure.
    Will Hamilton’s place be under threat from Vettel – you bet.
    A desire for Mercedes to have an all conquering, all German team – definitely.
    All sounds too familiar…..

  13. Abhishek Peri said on 26th July 2014, 15:34

    Sorry for you Lewis..beyond bad luck is happening to you in qualifying in the form of Mercedes unreliability..i see that happening to Massa in Races where maximum are not his fault but someone else..All the best for tomorrows race.

  14. Eric (@) said on 26th July 2014, 15:39

    Maybe it’s karma.

    After all those years whining about how Vettel had it so easy with best car of the field and how he or Alonso would cake walk the championship with such a dominant car.
    Now he’s got a car that’s MUCH faster than Vettel’s car has ever been relative to the rest.
    Where’s the cake walk lewis? Where is it?

    • William Stuart (@williamstuart) said on 26th July 2014, 15:47

      Well, Lewis has never been a particularly lucky racer, but then he doesn’t create any good luck for himself either, no question he’s far quicker than Rosberg, but he seems more demanding on the car therefore increasing the chance of reliability issues.

      • Hamilton use less fuel and tyres than Rosberg in almost every race; bearing that in mind, please, explaim to me how Lewis can be more demanding of his car than Rosberg!

    • Dan said on 26th July 2014, 15:49

      What he is doing his job but car letting himdown. Just count yourself lucky you’re driver was paired with an old man for a few years. Vet could retire now no one can take his titles away.

      • David-A (@david-a) said on 26th July 2014, 19:11

        Ironically, @baron-2 appears to support Hamilton as well as Vettel, and doesn’t support Rosberg.

        That “old man” that people love to bash, beat Rosberg only a couple of years before Vettel beat him, and Vettel and Rosberg were similarly inexperienced when first paired with this driver.

        • matt90 (@matt90) said on 26th July 2014, 23:43

          Rosberg beat Webber that year actually, 20 points to 10.

          • David-A (@david-a) said on 27th July 2014, 0:01

            @matt90 Okay, 3 years rather than “a couple”, when they were in the same car (they weren’t in the same car in 2007).

          • matt90 (@matt90) said on 27th July 2014, 12:16

            @david-a Oh yes, my mistake, I saw the names next to each other in the drivers list on wikipedia and got mixed up. But 2006 was not a case of ‘similarly inexperienced’ at all. Vettel had 1 and a half years of prior experience, vs none at all for Rosberg.

    • matt90 (@matt90) said on 26th July 2014, 16:21

      Besides the reliability, I put a lot more value in Rosberg than in Webber or Massa (or Fisichella when Alonso was actually winning his titles).

      • Eric (@) said on 26th July 2014, 19:08

        @matt90

        Me too. But that’s completely besides the point.
        Hamilton and Alonso believe they are the best of the best of the best. Alonso has already said he believes himself to be equal to Prost and Senna and that Hamilton is the only driver besides him that can win a race in a car that is not capable of winning.
        By that logic Hamilton should make short work of Rosberg who sometimes struggled to outpace Schumacher well passed his prime. But Hamilton isn’t making short work of Rosberg. In fact they are pretty close.

        • matt90 (@matt90) said on 26th July 2014, 23:39

          Personally, I don’t think Schumacher was as past it as people believed. And Rosberg being better than Webber is relevant- if Hamilton had the same circumstances as Vettel, I fully expect he would walk it, just as he said he would. He doesn’t have that. Having a car which is so superior and doesn’t require a specific style only he can make work- as with the Red Bull which Webber struggled to make work- actually makes it harder against a decent team mate because when either driver is a bit worse or even a lot worse there is still virtually no chance of another car getting between them and taking points off them. This car apparently doesn’t need a specific style to get the maximum performance any more than most of the grid, meaning that he doesn’t have the benefit of a team mate who can’t even regularly finish 2nd to him, so even when he dominates everybody else it becomes more difficult against the (previously under-rated) team mate.

          • Sankalp Sharma (@sankalp88) said on 27th July 2014, 3:42

            You sir, need to see Schumacher throw the F310 around San Marino in the 1996 GP. Then once you’ve done that perhaps you’d like to retract this statement:

            Personally, I don’t think Schumacher was as past it as people believed

            I’ll be waiting.

          • Eric (@) said on 27th July 2014, 11:28

            @matt90

            I’m a big Schumacher fan. Schumacher was, as sad as it is, well and truly past his prime. His best years where the mid 90′s to the beginning of the zero’s.

            As for the rest. I could accept that if Hamilton were truly outpacing Rosberg at most times. Rosberg has beaten Hamilton on merit plenty of times this season. Take Canada for example. Hamilton’s track or so they say. That didn’t stop Rosberg from stealing pole away.
            If Hamilton truly is the best of the best next to Alonso and no other driver can touch them then Hamilton shouldn’t be having any difficulty with Rosberg even in a car that’s easy to drive.

          • matt90 (@matt90) said on 27th July 2014, 12:05

            If Hamilton truly is the best of the best next to Alonso and no other driver can touch them then Hamilton shouldn’t be having any difficulty with Rosberg even in a car that’s easy to drive.

            Why? He can be the ‘best of the best’, and still lose occasionally to Rosberg. Why does being the best mean you aren’t allowed to be beaten by a very strong team mate, so long as you perform better over a season? You’re talking about how he isn’t able to replicate Vettel’s success. But Vettel and Webber were very close in 2010 due to it being per-EBD and affected by reliability (a little like this year, although admittedly on a larger scale). Vettel was definitely having trouble with Webber that year.

  15. So what happens to all the crap conspiracy theories when Ham catches up again and wins in Abudbl ?

    • Kanil (@kanil) said on 26th July 2014, 15:48

      They’ll say he won the championship despite Mercedes’ best efforts to stop him, because he’s just that good.

    • William Stuart (@williamstuart) said on 26th July 2014, 15:52

      Mercedes and Lauda wouldn’t allow that! I can already see Lewis retiring on the last lap in Abu Dhabi because of some “mystery engine failure” allowing Rosberg to Coast to victory… Seriously though, you cannot deny that it’s getting a little fishy. Of course no one would make it so obvious, but all the consistent small differences in pit stops etc add up.

      • Dave (@raceprouk) said on 26th July 2014, 16:17

        In Germany, all three of Hamilton’s stops were quicker than both of Rosberg’s.

      • kpcart said on 26th July 2014, 16:33

        William, it is just a sport, do not take it so seriously… in my early 20s , I used to make up things like this in my mind too in the 1990s with sports. looking backing I realised I was being an uneducated idiot. thankfully I did not have the world wide web to voice my make-believe opinion like people like William Stuart do in modern internet times.

      • cjpdk (@cjpdk) said on 27th July 2014, 3:24

        @williamstuart

        I deny that it’s getting a little fishy.

        There. I just denied it.

        Why would Mercedes spend millions of pounds getting HAM to drive for him, and then decide to sabotage him. Surely if they wanted to guarantee a WDC for ROS, they would’ve got a driver that ROS could easily defeat.

        Besides, the Mercedes F1 team is the Brackley team sponsored by Mercedes-Benz, not the Mercedes factory team. In reality they’re British. Also, Rosberg is not German, he’s German-Finnish-Monegasque.

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