Rosberg: Safety Car deployment was “wrong”

2014 Hungarian Grand Prix

http://youtu.be/GOGZX_gbUm8

Nico Rosberg questioned the manner in which the Safety Car was used during the Hungarian Grand Prix, saying he was “very disappointed” on the consequences it had for his race.

Rosberg was leading by ten second when the Safety Car was sent out following Marcus Ericsson’s crash at turn four.

Nico Rosberg, Mercedes, Hungaroring, 2014In a video he posted on social media on Monday Rosberg said the Safety Car “didn’t even come out at the wrong time, but the way it came out was just wrong, I think, from the race officials.”

“They sent it out at the wrong time because I got stuck behind it, although normally you’re supposed to do this average speed sort of slow lap, but I got stuck behind it right away,” he explained.

“And it was so slow that all the guys who managed to pit first, they got by me then. That’s not supposed to be the case so that was the main problem.”

Rosberg lost more time than usual behind the Safety Car because the Medical Car was also sent out, something which only happens in rare cases. Rosberg arrived at turn one just as the Safety Car was letting the slower Medical Car past.

After the Safety Car came Rosberg said he had a “brake problem – so I lost a place or two“.

That eventually allowed Lewis Hamilton to jump ahead of him through the pit stops, and Rosberg was unhappy his team mate refused to follow Mercedes’ orders to let him past.

“Then Lewis didn’t let me by, although he was ordered to do so, that’s obviously not good,” said Rosberg. “We need to discuss that internally.”

However Rosberg had no complaints about Hamilton’s defensive move at turn two on the final lap of the race – though he admitted his inability to pass his team mate was “the thing I’m most annoyed about”.

“I had a little opportunity and just so close, I didn’t manage to use it. It was just like 30 centimetres missing or something.

“What he did was OK, the way he defended, the guy on the inside it’s his corner, the guy on the outside needs to make it far enough in front that the other guy can’t push him out and I didn’t manage to do that. So that’s what annoys me most.”

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119 comments on Rosberg: Safety Car deployment was “wrong”

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  1. golson (@golson) said on 28th July 2014, 9:15

    Whine, whine, whine, whine. If they’d deployed the safety car in the last race…as they should have…Lewis would have beaten you then too.

    • Erik (@toxbox) said on 28th July 2014, 11:28

      Not defending rosberg, he just had his turn of some bad luck for once. But lewis fans really shouldnt complain when other drivers whine.

      • Chris (@cgturbo) said on 28th July 2014, 12:53

        @toxbox Very true. It’s hypocritical to moan about one driver complaining whilst saying “he’s just speaking his mind” when their favourite driver complains.

        Honestly, I don’t mind either driver’s complaints (or most complaints, unless they’re clearly irrational), because it gives a little insight to the driver’s perception of a situation or incident.
        I’d rather that than the driver not say anything at all.

        • jonjon said on 28th July 2014, 16:24

          +1 Im tired of hearing so much moaning about drivers giving their opinions. drivers used to be so much more vocal and people appreciated it. id don’t understand why this has changed.

      • trublu (@trublu) said on 28th July 2014, 13:39

        He whine all he wants. And just as people do with Hamilton, they can point out that he’s whining.

        • DMC (@dmc) said on 28th July 2014, 13:57

          It does seem strange that the guy leading the race after
          a great start and first few laps is then penalised for someone
          else’s mistake. I thought they could pit for tyres and then re-join
          in the same order after one sc car lap. I was wrong.

          • Michael (@freelittlebirds) said on 28th July 2014, 14:53

            +100 If Lewis wasn’t penalized for others’ mistakes, there’d be no need for team orders – Nico would be miles behind in the Championship…

          • Edvaldo said on 28th July 2014, 16:32

            Well, that’s how it works. It’s has been like this for years. The guy well up in the front always is penalized with SAFETY cars. Others lost races like this in the past in the same way.

            It didn’t started yesterday with Rosberg.

      • medman (@medman) said on 28th July 2014, 17:19

        Erik, Lewis has every right to “whine” this season, considering every other race some part or other of his car is failing or exploding, whole Nico whistles off into the sunset problem free. Considering all the failures, it’s a minor miracle Lewis only trails in the championship by 11 points.

    • bull mello (@bullmello) said on 28th July 2014, 15:49

      It’s only so obvious now, Charlie Whiting is shifting his allegiance back and forth between Mercedes drivers depending on who has sent the bigger check before each race. Yeah, that’s it. [/sarcasm]

    • WMoor (@pwm55) said on 29th July 2014, 13:35

      Yes, that is exactly right.

    • NWahome said on 19th August 2014, 3:16

      I am wondering, did anybody else notice Rosberg overtook Magnussen behind the safety car? The incident was not shown on the TV footage but when Rosberg came out after his fist pit stop to begin lap 10, he was behind Magnusen in P5. By the start of lap 11, Rosberg was already in P4. Did Magnussen run wide or something?

      But I find it interesting that Rosberg claims his brake issue casued him the three places he lost at the restart after the safety car. Could be the overtake by Magnussen can be explained that way as it was in the heavy breaking point of turn one. However, I still think the Intermidiates had better grip exiting that corner and that’s how Magnussen managed to beat him. However, losing places to Vergne and Alonso cannot be explained by his brake balance as it came after he tried to dive inside of Magnussen, was forced wide and couldn’t find the racing line in time to defend his position. Plain inept driving!

  2. BasCB (@bascb) said on 28th July 2014, 9:16

    Hm, well. I think its good that the thing Rosberg is most annoyed about his himself not making that chance of a pass on Hamilton stick.

    Because yeah, the SC hurt him a lot (as it did for the others in the top 3 at that moment), but that is what can happen with a SC. And he did not manage to move on Hamilton earlier. Hamilton on the other hand did as much as he could to get to the podium, and beat Rosberg.

    • JCost (@jcost) said on 28th July 2014, 9:56

      I think being stuck behind JEV for several laps hurt his race just as much as the SC itself.

    • Patrickl (@patrickl) said on 28th July 2014, 11:03

      Not the top 3, but the top 4 was caught out by the safety car. The guy who was driving in P4 at the time finished in P2. The guy who ended up in P14 after the first safety car finished in P3. Rosberg was ahead of both at the time and still he only finished in P4.

      Rosberg really only has himself to blame that he didn’t deal well enough with the situation.

    • Fer no.65 (@fer-no65) said on 28th July 2014, 13:16

      @bascb not only that, he had the chance to recover but couldn’t overtake Magnussen and then lost out to Vergne…

      I’d be more annoyed with that… Lewis did it right away!

      • BasCB (@bascb) said on 28th July 2014, 14:40

        Its really hard to tell though how much things like his brakes playing up a bit (and maybe being overly carefull not to break them as a result?) played their role.

        But the important thing is that he is annoyed about his own driving not being enough and not focusing on anything his team, the car or even Lewis did not do for him.

      • Breno (@austus) said on 28th July 2014, 21:30

        I recall someone stuck behind Vergne for a few laps while Alonso built a bit of a gap.

  3. badger (@badger) said on 28th July 2014, 9:22

    He needs to be careful how he comes across. The safety care issue is just pure luck as to where you are on track when it comes out. If he wanted to pass Hamilton then he should quit asking for help and just do it. The main criticism people have with Hamilton is his whining when things don’t go his way, rosberg is now doing exactly the same. If Hamilton had let him past he would have lost track position and finishing position to his main championship rival, please no team orders just let them race.

    • Chris (@cgturbo) said on 28th July 2014, 12:59

      @badger
      I’m not defending the team orders, because Nico was way too far behind for the move to be fair.

      But I think the team were just about justified with wanting Nico in front, because releasing Nico had a higher chance of yielding a 2nd/4th than the 3rd/4th which actually occurred.

      And from a team’s perspective, they need as many points as possible, which the team order would have achieved.
      But, to he honest, Mercedes are so far out in front in regards to the constructors, that they should have been willing to sacrifice those points to maintain whatever semblance of peace there still is between the two drivers.

      • matt said on 28th July 2014, 13:10

        get real mate,merc are not desperate for wcc points.have you seen how much their leading the wcc by.whereas lewis is desperate for points.

        • Dave (@raceprouk) said on 28th July 2014, 14:25

          And who in their right mind will willingly throw away points?

          • wolf said on 28th July 2014, 23:32

            exactly … hope you saw it this way when Vettel was ignoring team orders (which were as stupid at the time) … let us know!

          • I think that is exactly LH’s point, why should he slow down to let Nico pass and throw away WDC points.

            There was plenty of passing going on late in the race for Nico not to have at least gotten close enough to LH to make it look like he was trying to legitimately pass LH rather than demanding a freebie.

      • Edvaldo said on 28th July 2014, 16:54

        I wonder what Hamilton would gain if he had let Rosberg through.
        Maybe a “well done mate” and a tap on the shoulder after the race.

        Two very important things on a championship Fight. Not.

      • SeanG (@seang) said on 28th July 2014, 17:01

        Absolutely disagree.

        Mercedes is running away with the constructors championship. Let the drivers decide the other.

        Lewis should be seen going to/from the McLaren motorhome.

        • James said on 28th July 2014, 18:16

          Mclaren? Seriously, they have no excuses for how poor they have become, big budget, big let down, just like Ferrari. Lewis wont be going anywhere for the next few years.

      • matt90 (@matt90) said on 28th July 2014, 18:32

        But I think the team were just about justified with wanting Nico in front, because releasing Nico had a higher chance of yielding a 2nd/4th

        That isn’t what the team realised though. They thought that Rosberg would still finish behind Hamilton regardless, as they ignored Hamilton’s assertion that the mediums would not hold up. I’m not sure at that point where they thought their cars would finish, but it would probably be exactly where they ended up, or possibly with Hamilton and maybe also Rosberg having passed Alonso. They asked Hamilton to move over because they didn’t actually think it would impact Hamilton’s race. In retrospect it obviously would have, as he would have both lost time relative to everybody and given his title rival several more laps to try and pass him come the end of the race- in which case the order was unfair and probably probably wouldn’t have been given if they had any understanding of how the race would actually play out.

        • Edvaldo said on 28th July 2014, 18:51

          Which is not something difficult.
          Hamilton did have this understanding. After all, they may not be on the same strategy, but they are racing the same race.

          The most important thing for both is to finish ahead of the other. And asking Hamilton to do that was the same as saying “let him get a better result than yours”. And as we saw with Alonso, Rosberg could go to the end with that set of tyres if they give it a try.

        • matt said on 28th July 2014, 20:56

          no toto believes nico would have won if lewis moved out of the way,so they obviously didnt think lewis would still finish ahead regardless.they were only trying to help nico wn the race,eventhough lewis had a better chance on softs.

          • Breno (@austus) said on 28th July 2014, 21:34

            Hmm. 3rd and 4th or 1st and 4th… Mercedes must be aiming to beat that 88 Mclaren record, and those drivers are clearly unable to win every race by themselves.

        • If I was one of Merc bosses I would not dare ask Lewis to let Nico past after giving him a car that is unreliable which is the reason why Nico is leading the championship. After apologising to Lewis and saying that they are gutted for Lewis…..then these team orders. Are they really gutted? I doesn’t look like it to me.

      • wolf said on 28th July 2014, 23:30

        maybe he wasn’t to far behind. Maybe the team’s idea was to save tires and use them in the battle for a one-two or so … did that ever cross your mind? That is actually the only way this team order can be explained. I still think it was wrong, because it also automatically would have put LH even further behind. And for Nico it was not good either, because he could have gone right at it racing Lewis, which he started too late – counting on the team order. Lewis was wrong on so far, that he left Nico dangling, instead of telling the team that he was not going to follow the order. Lame! That is the very least he could have done.

      • Ben said on 29th July 2014, 3:08

        In short they did it for Nico not for the team.

  4. Mike (@mike) said on 28th July 2014, 9:26

    Well, tough luck Rosberg. The safety cars primary purpose is safety. The race situation is secondary….

    At least for this year.

    • The safety cars primary purpose is safety. The race situation is secondary….

      That’s my feeling too @mike. If Rosberg was the driver in the Caterham – or the driver in the Safety Car, he’d want the Medical Car to arrive as fast as possible at the scene.

      IndyCar’s Holmatro safety crew is one of the best in the business to rescue around a track.

    • As long as the drivers are allowed to pit during safety car, the safety cars have a much bigger role than simply ensuring safety on track.

      Every time a safety car comes in, the dice is rolled and depending on where you were on the track when this happened, your race may be ruined.

      It’s an artificial way to mix the pack and have more “interesting” races. I don’t think the drivers should be allowed to pit during safety car. As far as I know this is how it works in DTM for example; no mandatory pit stops are allowed during safety car periods.

      • minnis (@minnis) said on 28th July 2014, 13:03

        Not pitting would still be an artificial way to make more interesting races. Let’s say Max Chilton pitted for slick tyres just before the safety car was deployed. Then the SC comes out, bunching Chilton back up to the rest of the pack. After the SC comes in, everyones tyres are finished and they all need to pit, leaving Chilton in the lead.

        At least allowing pit stops under the SC allows for more strategic differences – should you pit under the safety car even if you don’t need to, meaning you may lose track position but have fresh rubber? Like Ricciardo did for the second SC.

      • Fer no.65 (@fer-no65) said on 28th July 2014, 13:18

        @markf1 as @minnis a Safety Car period will have consequences regardless of how it’s deployed. Some will lose and some will win. It’s the way it is.

    • alanore said on 28th July 2014, 11:27

      Completely agree.

      Watching the video puts a little more context around the strap line ‘Safety Car deployment was “wrong”’
      (ie he wasn’t complaining there was a safety car, just that it came out too quickly which allowed cars behind to pit and not him)

      But looking at the race again you can see why, the safety car and doctors car came out the pits at the same time, it was obviously that the safety car was deployed quickly to allow the doctors car on track without any of F1 cars catching it, even the slow delta time when the SC is out and a F1 car is not directly behind it, is probably quicker than the doctors car can go.

      Safety first, always…

    • Iestyn Davies (@fastiesty) said on 28th July 2014, 16:42

      @mike It could be argued that by the Race Director waiting to call it out (apparently a 10 second delay since they saw the Ericsson crash), they were interfering with the race result by penalising the top 4 drivers – this already happened in Valencia 2010, and we didn’t like it at all then. However, now we are getting used to it – by 2015, we’ll wonder why anyone was complaining! See Indycar…

      • Iestyn Davies (@fastiesty) said on 28th July 2014, 16:43

        Hitting SC straight away would have allowed the top 4 to just about scramble into the pits if they wanted to. Then, the medical car could also have gone out ASAP and not held up the top 4 train.

  5. JCost (@jcost) said on 28th July 2014, 9:26

    He said there was no reason to deploy the SC in Germany a week ago, despite the Sauber parked on the track…

    This time he thinks it was a good call to deploy it, but before thinking about security officials were suppose to think about Nico’s race…

  6. Optimaximal (@optimaximal) said on 28th July 2014, 9:36

    I think he’s trying to draw attention away from the fact that he was legitimately mugged for position by 3-4 drivers in inferior cars whilst his team mate basically overtook the entire field, despite starting from the pitlane AND spinning on the opening lap.

    This was a terrible performance from ROS because he couldn’t control the race. The ball is back in HAM’s side of the court, for now.

    • Velocityboy (@velocityboy) said on 28th July 2014, 11:29

      I agree. He had the best car and fresh tires. Once the brake issue was resolved he should have run everyone down and gone to the front of the field. Instead he cruised around behind JEV looking completely inept. By comparison, when Hamilton got his chance, he made quick work of JEV and went about his business.

  7. I think for someone so bitter and disappointed he handled this ok,
    Maybe the call to Lewis was Paddy’s choice ?
    anyway, he got tronced and that would hurt,

    Can anyone tell me if the safety car did anything legit wrong ?

  8. Kingszito said on 28th July 2014, 9:47

    Hamilton could have simply handed the WDC title to Nico if he had let him pass.

  9. Jack said on 28th July 2014, 9:58

    The safety car goes out immediately when the medical car is deployed. He should know this and he should know that it’s luck of the draw. Safety comes first.

  10. Ricardo said on 28th July 2014, 11:14

    SC shorter the gap from fastest top drivers to the rest, so this is just fair, but allowing the drivers from back to go first to pit is not right!
    On SC, pit should be inmidiate closed and open it when the leader is coming, allowing the leader goes first, then the rest.
    If driver on P2 does not go to pits and P1 does, ok, it is race strategy and fair to take the lead!

    • Jake (@jleigh) said on 28th July 2014, 11:23

      To be honest the only driver Rosberg lost out to was Ricciardo , Massa (who was on the wrong tyres -medium) and Button (also on wrong tyres -inters). So he only really lost out to one guy.

      He was 4th at the restart, Hanilton was 13th. By the time the Mclarens pitted, he was down to 5th, Hamilton up to 7th. It wasn’t the safety that cost Rosberg vs Hamilton, it was his poor pace and inability to overtake.

      • Corrado (@corrado-dub) said on 28th July 2014, 22:09

        Exactly. The biggest winner of the 1st SC period was Ricciardo, while ROS lost just 1 position as Button and Massa made the wrong call, proved some laps later.

    • HoHum (@hohum) said on 29th July 2014, 0:16

      Closing the pits during safety car ????? Would that not have been an even bigger gift for teams that foresaw the safety car and pitted before the SC was called, as I believe was the case for BUT and RIC ?

  11. WilliamB (@william-brierty) said on 28th July 2014, 11:22

    I agree that the safety car hurt him, although its speed is fully justified by the presence of the slower C63 medical car in a situation when safety and the health of Ericsson was the priority, but what hurt Nico equally was his inability to overtake or hustle the rear wing of the car ahead in the manner Hamilton managed. Certainly, the way he was never especially within lunging distance of Vergne for so much of the race raises questions about his wheel-to-wheel prowess versus that of Hamilton; as does Bahrain, and that could prove crucial in the inevitable battles in the second half of the season. Between that and the pace Lewis showed on Friday, you would say that the Hungarian Grand Prix looked promising for Hamilton’s title challenge…

    • RogerPGR said on 28th July 2014, 11:31

      the way he was never especially within lunging distance of Vergne for so much of the race raises questions about his wheel-to-wheel prowess

      But at the same point in the race Lewis was never within lunging distance of Vettel let alone Rosberg or JEV infront of him.

      As I said yesterday, Offline was still wet & through that phase of the race nobody was doing any overtaking or even really going offline to even try to overtake anyone because of how wet it still was.

      When the track dried offline cars started to overtake again & Nico himself passed a bunch of cars in his final 2 stints.

      • Robbie (@robbie) said on 28th July 2014, 13:40

        Yeah I don’t think this was about lack of wheel-to-wheel prowess, but rather a lack of grip under tricky and variable conditions at that particular segment of the race.

        I admire NR for being the most disappointed in himself at his last passing attempt failing. That has annoyed him more than the bad luck with the safety car, or LH not letting him by. I’m sure as NR digests the day’s circumstances after the heat of the moment he will understand that sometimes the safety car can catch you out, and that under the same circumstances he probably would not have agreed to actually slowing to let LH by…let him by sure of he is much faster due to a different strategy and needing an extra stop…but only if he is way faster. NR needed to be as fast at that point as he was near the end, but he wasn’t. If he was, LH would likely have had no choice but to let NR go or really harm his own race defending, not to mention gathering the ire of the team as they were on different strategies.

      • WilliamB (@william-brierty) said on 28th July 2014, 18:32

        @robbie – I would say to both of you that Hamilton was making greater progress against Vettel, in that he was taking different lines and getting close on a more consistent basis, than Rosberg was to Vergne. The several botched passing attempts in T1 after the first safety car period was the poorest moment of Nico’s race and cost him several significant positions, namely Alonso and Vergne, and it was the compounded loss of track position to slower cars that damaged his race the most. Overall Rosberg simply didn’t drive with the aggression of Hamilton or Ricciardo, which might be wise when he’s in such a tight title fight, but on the evidence of Bahrain Nico will really need to find another gear in battle when he inevitably finds himself level with Lewis’ sidepod again.

        • Robbie (@robbie) said on 28th July 2014, 22:20

          @william-brierty Fair comment. It just seemed to me his tires just weren’t helping him when he needed them the most, but I also think he didn’t help his own cause when he seemed to go off the dry line…perhaps that was because he was struggling to keep the car where he wanted it, but I sure recall thinking to myself a few times…what are you doing on the wet part of the track on slicks when there is a dry line?

          • WilliamB (@william-brierty) said on 29th July 2014, 12:15

            @robbie – Last weekend was an excellent illustration of how Nico Rosberg perhaps lacks the natural intuition of Lewis Hamilton in certain scenarios, with overtaking being one of them. Don’t think I’m pointing at Rosberg’s strangely controversial “driving advice” communication and saying he always needs help to beat Lewis; Monaco and Bahrain this year prove that Nico has the raw speed to take it to Lewis even when he’s on form, but I would say performances perhaps come more naturally to Lewis than they do to Nico. Not that that will especially hurt Nico’s title bid, and the gift of Hamilton versus the graft of Rosberg introduces an interesting dynamic to the championship.

  12. dragoll (@dragoll) said on 28th July 2014, 11:26

    while the SC normally waits to pickup the leaders, in this situation the medical car was deployed instantly as the course worker gave the medical assistance signal by raising his arms above his head. I remember watching that with a sickening feeling in my stomach. Thankfully, ERI was all well. This is why the situation for the SC deployment was unusually quick. It ruined 4 drivers races’ and was just unlucky. At the time I was thinking how unlucky it was for VET.

    • yea same here.. but marshal must hv done that after looking at medical light on the car..

    • John H (@john-h) said on 28th July 2014, 22:01

      course worker gave the medical assistance signal by raising his arms above his head

      Indeed, I think most of us know what that means and the medical car came out pretty quickly. The priority was getting the medical car to the crash regardless of the race situation – but I presume no one told Nico about the nature of the crash.

  13. BrawnGP said on 28th July 2014, 11:27

    Oh come on Britney! For starters you were due a bit of bad luck! Secondly the safety car is not out to get you.

  14. davey said on 28th July 2014, 11:39

    I’ve often wondered why they don’t close the pits like they do in a lot of other categories in order to ensure that nobody is massively disadvantaged.

    Its a bit like that absurd situation you have at le mans where there are 2 safety cars & your race can be helped or hurt depending on which one picks you up. There have been many cases where a driver has found himself half a lap behind a car he was racing at le mans just because he was the 1st car picked up by one safety car while the car ahead was able to race round to the next safety car.

    Or perhaps they could freeze the running order when the SC comes out so that everyone restarts in the order they were in when it came out.

    There have been too many cases over the years where a safety car has either helped or destroyed someone’s race & it just seems completely unfair to me, Especially if you consider that its possible (Although fortunately extremely rare) that a SC can be used to intentionally manipulate a race (The disgruntled Ex-Mercedes employee at hockenheim 2000 & Piquet Jr at Singapore 2008 are 2 examples).

    • Optimaximal (@optimaximal) said on 28th July 2014, 13:29

      They tried this years ago (2007/8) and as typical for F1, the engineers & strategists instantly started working on how to game/gain an advantage from the situation.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Safety_car#History

      The pitlane was closed, but cars would stop anyway and take a penalty because they’d run out of fuel.

      • davey said on 28th July 2014, 13:42

        There’s no refueling now (thankfully) so that would not be a problem.

        Al they need to do is what they do in Indycar. Nobody is allowed to pit while the pit lane is closed unless they have obvious damage (Puncture for instance).

      • HoHum (@hohum) said on 28th July 2014, 23:59

        And at least the safety car has a vital purpose for randomly help/hinder drivers, unlike the hi-deg tyres that intentionally randomise performance gain or loss depending on the weather.

    • John White (@jonty1512) said on 28th July 2014, 19:00

      I totally agree with you here. The Pit Lane should close as soon as Safety Car is deployed and the running order frozen. Once the Safety Car has picked up the leader and all of the cars are running behind the Safety Car the cars then take their stops and then reform behind the Safety Car in the order they were in when the field was frozen. Once this has been completed then the race can resume. It isn’t rocket science and much better than the idiotic idea of having a standing restart which I think is even more stupid than Bernie’s sprinkler idea.

    • Macademianut (@macademianut) said on 28th July 2014, 21:23

      Closing the pits and then opening it up after all the cars have bunched up will certainly disadvantage the second car of a team.

      • SP (@jb001) said on 29th July 2014, 0:52

        Indeed, F1 doesn’t have pit stalls for individual cars…

        As for closing the pits in general, that rule has generated a lot of complaints about race manipulation as well (see Indycar for an example).

    • Max Jacobson (@vettel1) said on 29th July 2014, 11:48

      You’ve also got to consider in that situation (as mentioned above) that a car could have pitted before the safety car, hence when everybody pulled into the pits they would be leading on new-ish tyres.

  15. ant said on 28th July 2014, 11:48

    shut up rosberg

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