Montezemolo scorns ‘senseless Alonso rumours’

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A trenchant view on the performance of Mercedes’ drivers from Eric:

I wouldn’t place either of the Mercedes driver’s in the top ten even. Their season has, so far, been riddled with mistakes. Small ones and big ones.

Vettel and Hulkenberg have made far fewer mistakes combined than either of the Mercedes drivers have made so far. Vettel had two spins, one in third practice in Bahrain which damaged his floor and the one in Hungary which pretty much sealed his already-ruined-by-Safety-Car race.

Hulkenberg hit Perez in a really clumsy move in Hungary. That’s about it really.

Now compare that to the Mercedes drivers. If lost count at how many times Hamilton has messed up qualifying. If I had a nickel for every time I heard someone say ‘this track is Hamilton’s track, he will get pole easy’, well, I would have gotten at least a few nickels.

And Rosberg has been out-qualified quite a few times by other cars. How does that happen?

Seriously though, both Rosberg and Hamilton have made plenty of mistakes already. And I suppose they should be given some room for error being in a tight battle for the championship and all but I can’t remember Vettel making this many mistakes in 2012 or 2010 for that matter.
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85 comments on Montezemolo scorns ‘senseless Alonso rumours’

  1. Luth (@soulofaetherym) said on 14th August 2014, 0:35

    I wholeheartedly agree with the COTD. Alonso, Bottas and Ricciardo would be my top3 in any order, with the Mercs 4th and 5th. I usually don’t like to speculate on ‘would have’s and ifs’ but I’m pretty sure if the Merc wasn’t so overly dominant (if instead of being 0.5-0.7s a lap faster they were 0.2-0.3), neither of their drivers would be leading the championship.

    • Giggsy11 (@giggsy11) said on 14th August 2014, 11:42

      I can think of a few small mistakes Bottas has made but I guess every driver does. Based on actual driving and not car performance if Ricciardo and Alonso are not in the top 3 I would question the ranking system.

  2. Like I was saying yesterday, if Ferrari don’t give Alonso a competitive car then he will leave to a better team but in my opinion I don’t see that happening yet because he is doing well despite his machinery. But no doubt that Alonso is the best driver of 2014. The F14 is not the best car out there yet he is still right up there battling for 3rd in the drivers championship.

  3. Kingshark (@kingshark) said on 14th August 2014, 0:46

    Regarding CotD, how many mistakes have the Mercedes drivers really made?

    Rosberg:
    - Ran off the track in Australia qualifying
    - Dead slow in Malaysia, in both qualy and race
    - Spun in China qualifying
    - Controversial Monaco mistake
    - Cut the chicane in Canada
    - Made several small mistakes on the restart in Hungary

    Hamilton:
    - Ran off the track on his final attempt in Bahrain
    - Locked up twice on his final attempt in Canada
    - Spun in Austria
    - Gave up on his final run in Silverstone
    - Ran into Button and broke a front wing end-plate in Germany

    That’s about 5 or 6 mistakes apiece, and only about 2 or 3 which actually cost them something.

    I wouldn’t place the Mercedes drivers ahead of Alonso/Ricciardo/Bottas, but to say that they shouldn’t be in the top 10 is going too far.

    • Custard said on 14th August 2014, 0:57

      I agree, who is to say the Merc duo aren’t performing the best this year? Everyone is entitled to their own opinion but COTD’s is wrong xD

    • matt90 (@matt90) said on 14th August 2014, 1:02

      It certainly seems ridiculous to me. Even if Vettel has made fewer mistakes, there’s a little more to the rankings than that. Like the fact that both drivers have had a few stand-out drives, whereas Vettel has been far from spectacular.

    • I agree. Both Mercedes driver are probably under an insane amount of pressure, and everything they do this year is probably captured live. Another factor in ranking the drivers is stand out performances and I can list a few of them given by the title contenders, mainly Lewis. Oh yeah, and neither driver has crashed in a race yet. That’s something that happens to almost every title protagonist.

      P.S You could add poor starts and missing marks in pit stops to both drivers if we’re getting nit picky ;)

      • Sven (@crammond) said on 14th August 2014, 12:14

        Both Mercedes driver are probably under an insane amount of pressure

        @theo-hrp The pressure… I´ve never really understood where the pressure is in F1. I mean, ask your local ambulance-driver, whose mistakes on occasions might cost lives, who sometimes has given timeframes when to arrive at hospital the latest, and who has cars coming at him from different directions and with unknown intentions, that´s pressure. In F1, there is no relevant pressure, at least as long as the driver is not a total pansy.

        @COTD Even I had the Merc-drivers in my Top10, and I´m certainly not easy on them whole season long, so there is some exaggeration in that COTD. And Vettel this year probably isn´t the best example to compare them against. Vergne and Button might be, Hülkenberg and Alonso are surely ahead.

        • andrewf1 (@andrewf1) said on 14th August 2014, 14:13

          @crammond
          To state that in F1 there is no pressure on the drivers is quite ridiculous. In every sport an athlete has pressure to perform, even more so if he’s fighting at the front of the field among the best.

          [sarcasm]
          An ambulance-driver you say? Ssshh, ask Kennedy how he had to avoid the Cuban Missile Crisis. Now that’s pressure.
          [/sarcasm]

          • Sven (@crammond) said on 14th August 2014, 14:22

            @andrewf1 Yes, Kennedy had some pressure back then ^^

            And I didn´t say there is no pressure, I said there is no relevant pressure. Worst thing that can happen is you lose in a sporting event, people should be able to cope with that. I mean, what shall whoever comes second in this years championship do? I can´t help but thinking of this gif

    • Bazza Spock (@bazza-spock) said on 14th August 2014, 3:11

      Regardless of how you feel about CotD you got to love this line, “If I had a nickel for every time I heard someone say ‘this track is Hamilton’s track, he will get pole easy’, well, I would have gotten at least a few nickels.

    • Fer no.65 (@fer-no65) said on 14th August 2014, 3:57

      @kingshark I agree. Although they’ve both made quite a few little mistakes, we shouldn’t overlook the fact that Vettel was mostly unseen from the tv footage, so it’s a lot more difficult to know where he made a mistake.

      Plus, in 2010 he had a huuuuuuge list of mistakes ! hence the “crash kid” motto he build up. He’s never engaged a wheel to wheel fight for a championship like Lewis and Nico are doing, so that’s something to underline aswell.

      • omarr-pepper said on 14th August 2014, 14:15

        @fer-no65 the “crash kid” was just barely justified by his Toro Rosso first season, maybe by Webber’s angry comment when Vettel crashed against him during SC period. Particularly I listen “crash kid” and I remember Maldonado, or Grosjean, even Massa (well, he’s not a kid, but serves the example better)

    • JCost (@jcost) said on 14th August 2014, 7:40

      Could someone please give the count of Bottas mistakes? I think he’s a done a good collection too. And Mr Vettel has done few more than COTD says…

    • Alex Brown (@splittimes) said on 14th August 2014, 9:25

      A lot of those are quite big mistakes though, and we’re only through half the season. It reminds me a bit of 2008, where Massa and Hamilton both had occasional drives that made them look like rookies. I remember really doubting whether they actually deserved the championship. Obviously, they did. But I often think about it in terms of expectation. Who is doing better than you would have thought, and who is under-performing, and when, under what circumstances.

      • frood19 (@frood19) said on 14th August 2014, 10:39

        great point. mistakes made by championship contenders are magnified by an extraordinary extent. although, on the mistakes score, alonso is practically inhuman.

        i usually get frustrated by these lists which place the top teams’ drivers at the top almost by default – though I know keith’s are more sophisticated – but in this case I think rosberg and hamilton have put in some absolute stormers.

        it’s an unpopular opinion, but webber had by far the best car in 2011, 2013 and he was nowhere compared to vettel. this year, we have two drivers at (or near) vettel’s 2013 level.

      • Osvaldas31 (@osvaldas31) said on 14th August 2014, 10:41

        Actually, I still think that neither Hamilton, neither Massa deserved WDC in 2008. It was Kubica’s year and he was perfect then, except his car was at least 0,2-0,3 secs slower than Ferrari and Mclaren, yet still fought for WDC until the end of season and lost possibility only with 2 or 3 races to go.

      • omarr-pepper said on 14th August 2014, 14:24

        @splittimes finally!!! Somebody felt the same as I did… When I saw the 2008 season, I lost THE special interest (even when the thrill went down until the final GP) because at that time both Ferrari and McLaren had so good cars that made the others look pale. Their cars made up for the drivers’ mistakes. Massa and Lewis’s suporters will tell me how they “swept the floor” with their teammates, but let´s be honest: Heikki was the 11th hour replace for Fernando, and Kimi was too loose at times to be a real contender.
        I start to think the same about the Seb-Mark comparison. Mark was not a bad driver, but he had too little to resist Sebastian last year, he lost grip. Now Ricciardo is (why not?) better than Vettel and it’s joytime for Seb’s critics. But I would put Daniel first on the drivers’ ranking (close call vs Fernando) because he’s the only one who has stepped first, against the hyperMercedes cars.

        • omarr-pepper said on 14th August 2014, 14:26

          PS and I also understand the loss of interest people felt last year, something I found hard to understand as a Sebastian fan (well, even last year I admitted that I was “sad for the race, happy for the result”).

      • Eric (@) said on 14th August 2014, 20:27

        @splittimes

        Exactly, and that’s kind off the point I was trying to make.

        My post also included a comparison of 2014 Hamilton vs. 2007 Hamilton. I’m a bit disappointed that part was excluded tbh, but I guess Keith had to trim the comment down a little bit.
        Hamilton experienced immense pressure that year as well driving in the same car as the, at the time, most crowned and highest regarded champion on the grid who looked set to win a third in a row. And that year the fight between him and Alonso was a multitude bigger than the fight he’s currently having with Britney.
        He barely made any mistakes and was consistently fast that year in a car that was just about better than the competition and against the toughest of teammates who will not only fight you on track but off track as well if he needs to.

        In my opinion Hamilton 2007 was a far better driver than Hamilton 2014.

        • pxcmerc (@pcxmerc) said on 16th August 2014, 2:41

          Hamilton 2014 is a much more complete driver/sportsman than during his McLaren days. Hamilton would be owning Rosberg, if Mercedes were not deploying such unreliable cars.

          Mercedes are playing for the TV camera, or they suck and will be beaten next year after Honda shows up. Either way, Lewis is being held back and his teammate is driving like he already has the WDC. When Lewis’ car stops breaking down he will be 20 seconds ahead of his teammate.

    • Yes, it is ridicules to mark them down just because they are in the best car. Would you mark Vettel or Alonso down if their cars were that good. They would both shine if their cars were that good simply because their team mates would not be allowed to race them.

    • Osvaldas31 (@osvaldas31) said on 14th August 2014, 10:39

      I agree with you completely. Both Mercedes drivers are definetly in the top5, but only just. They have a car witch is enormously dominant, but still can’t collect 1-2 in every race. For example last year Vettel had dominant car (but not as dominant, as Mercedes this year), but didn’t put a foot wrong whole season and was as perfect as you can be in the last 9 races, though few showed appreciation for that. I know, he didn’t have much of opposition from his team mate, but still, to win 9 races – a record in F1 – you have to be really special.

      I don’t undermine Mercedes drivers, theyare really good, really fast, but they should be doing a better job.

      • Robbie (@robbie) said on 14th August 2014, 12:39

        I think it is obviously a new chapter in F1 and the cars are obviously way different now…just ask Vettel. I don’t see how anybody can acknowledge the much greater torque and the resultant squirreliness upon acceleration, and the new braking systems that have totally changed the feel under braking, and at the same time compare drivers simply based on mistakes this year vs. last year when the driver’s had cars they were very much used to and had more downforce to boot. The cars are simply a much bigger handful now. More complicated than ever, and more unpredictable for the drivers.

        • Osvaldas31 (@osvaldas31) said on 14th August 2014, 16:21

          Yes, but look at Hulkenber or Alonso – they almost aren’t making mistakes. And look at Monaco GP – there were as few crashes as ever (maybe because drivers are not willing to risk so much as last year, when cars were more stable). So I think we can compare a number of mistakes with last year.

    • Mashiat said on 14th August 2014, 17:07

      Mate, you’ve forgotten Hamilton’s mistake in his first run in Q3 Austria

    • Jabosha (@jabosha) said on 15th August 2014, 18:36

      Gotta agree here. Ros and Ham not in top 10? Hyperbole

  4. Jay Menon (@jaymenon10) said on 14th August 2014, 1:22

    Isnt Kobayashi a pay-driver as well???

    • lawrence said on 14th August 2014, 1:31

      @jaymenon10
      I thought so too.

    • Zane Jakobs (@zjakobs) said on 14th August 2014, 3:07

      @jaymenon10 Yeah, but he’s proved that he’s a step above the midfield (and certainly backmarker) game, personally I have no clue how he originally lost his drive.

    • Bazza Spock (@bazza-spock) said on 14th August 2014, 3:09

      I thought he was drivin’ for free. Didn’t the people of Japan pay his wages for the year?

    • schooner (@schooner) said on 14th August 2014, 3:14

      It would be so interesting to find out the actual workings of some of these “pay-driver” contracts. In Kobayashi’s case, I’ve been under the impression that it was his willingness to drive for free (along with his experience, of course) that landed him his current seat at Caterham. He must be getting personal funds from somewhere, though, and I doubt that he’s living in a van. However he’s managing, good for him, and I’d like to see him stay on the grid.

      • Sharon H (@sharoncom) said on 14th August 2014, 16:54

        He had that fan-raised fund he set up when he lost his Sauber drive. I thought he was using that.

        If the rumours are true, the most likely future Caterham “pay-driver” will be Red Bull-funded Carlos Sainz. Hardly an undeserving driver lacking ability.

  5. mantresx (@mantresx) said on 14th August 2014, 2:20

    What was the first meal you ever cooked?
    EG: My special quesadillas. I still cook them when I am home in Mexico.

    Hey! what a coincidence those are my specialty as well :p
    But if I’m honest they’re not much harder to make than let’s say, a sandwich so you need to work on your cooking skills Esteban.

  6. I’m rather shocked that comment of the day was picked. I’ve read the full one, and it is full with the most unbelievable excuses for Mr. Vettel. Vettel this year has just switched off on occasion: the contact in Austria; the spin in Hungary; his out lap in Canada; allowing Alonso to dance round his outside in Silverstone… That is not the Vettel that blew me away when I first started watching F1. I guess it must be hard when given 100% used to equal wins, now 3rd at best, but Vettel really needs to start performing in a non race winning car again (Like he did in Toro Rosso) or else all the records, all the great championships over the past 4 years will just seem like a great big farce, like I see 96/97.

    • ME4ME (@me4me) said on 14th August 2014, 5:29

      Personally I think the COTD points out that HAM and ROS are maybe perceived better than they actually have been, while for Vettel and Hulkenberg the contrary is true. You make it all about Vettel, but to me his comment is more about HAM+ROS not being all that perfect this season, which i agree with. I however disagree that they should not be in the F1f-drivers top-10

    • david white said on 14th August 2014, 6:01

      Poorly thought out COTD. I’m surprised he doesn’t go on to argue that Max Chilton should be ranked ranked no.1 – no mistakes as he’s going SOOOO slow. As for Vettel, he hasn’t had the pace AND made just as many mistakes. There are mistakes and there are mistakes. Hamilton and Rosberg’s small errors (and they are small) get 10 times more scrutiny and publicity because they are fighting for the lead of the race and championship.

    • AdrianMorse (@adrianmorse) said on 14th August 2014, 6:18

      @theo-hrp,

      I’m rather shocked that comment of the day was picked.

      I agree. I suppose Keith sometimes chooses a comment to elicit some discussion – and he clearly did not put Hamilton and Rosberg outside the top 10 himself – but this comment is too much bashing in my opinion.

      I feel the Mercedes drivers’ weekends are put under the microscope, and every imperfection is made a big deal of. In my opinion both Rosberg and Hamilton have had very strong seasons so far. I agree with Peter Windsor when he said that, apart from his wobble in Hungary, Rosberg is putting together the perfect championship so far, and Hamilton’s Saturday’s troubles (not all his fault, of course!) are offset by the fact that he has had very strong race performances. Only in Bahrain and Spain did Rosberg look faster, and he won there anyway.

      • BasCB (@bascb) said on 14th August 2014, 8:59

        I am actually quite sure that Keith likes to pick COTDs with interesting arguments contrary to what most people see exactly because of them being a point of debate, makes a lot more sense than just picking one of the mob.

    • Funny thing is Keith picks that comment as COTD and has Ros and Ham top 6.

    • Eric (@) said on 14th August 2014, 20:42

      @theo-hrp

      I’ve read the full one, and it is full with the most unbelievable excuses for Mr. Vettel.

      Like?
      It would be nice if people would actually say what is wrong with a post instead of accusing them of something without so much as an explanation…

      “Vettel this year has just switched off on occasion: the contact in Austria; the spin in Hungary”

      Plenty of racers have made contact in races in a clumsy way so far. Hamilton in Hockenheim for instance.
      And Vettel’s spin happened under pressure from a faster car. Hamilton spun like a rookie because he forgot he just left the pits on cold tyres… And went off track just a few laps later.

      his out lap in Canada

      What outlap? Oh the one where he was immediately stuck in traffic thanks to a poor pitstop call?

      allowing Alonso to dance round his outside in Silverstone

      Again, a poor pitstop caused that. Usually Red Bull are capable of doing 2.5-2.7 second pitstop. Not this time though and behold Vettel left the pits on cold tyres with just 3 tenths in front of Alonso. I’m actually more surprised Alonso didn’t just blow passed Vettel in the DRS zone seeing as his Ferrari is a good half a second faster with DRS open.

      Vettel really needs to start performing in a non race winning car again (Like he did in Toro Rosso) or else all the records, all the great championships over the past 4 years will just seem like a great big farce

      Why? Because you say so?

      • Eric (@) said on 14th August 2014, 20:43

        For some reason, the quote tree is screwed up. :P

      • I’m sorry I offended your favourite driver, but even he admits he’s been a bit toothless SO FAR. I know what it is like. In 2011 I never saw any mistake Hamilton did as his fault. Only now do I look back at it and realise I was making excuses for him. Vettel spun in Hungary because he was running over a kerb that everyone else was avoiding. In Canada and Silverstone the team made mistakes but ask yourself, is that the only reason Ricciardo beat him that day. Also the team and driver make the calls together. If you get magic excuses when caught behind someone, then Vettel would “only” be a 3 times world champion.

  7. Girts (@girts) said on 14th August 2014, 7:28

    I think the COTD is a perfect example of how exaggerations spoil a good post. While it is obvious that Hamilton and Rosberg have not always got the best out of their cars and that both of them have made several mistakes, nothing suggests that Vettel or Hulkenberg have been performing better so far.

    Other fanatics have already pointed out that not all mistakes have the same weight. Crashing out of a race and not getting together the perfect qualifying lap are completely different things. Moreover, it is not only about lack of mistakes and doing well, compared to your team mate. Would you place a slow driver first just because he never spins and regularly beats his team mate Chanoch Nissany?

    We should never forget that it is impossible to prove if Vettel is better than Hamilton or vice versa. You can have a good discussion about it, which is why I love F1F’s driver rankings. Unfortunately this debate can also easily degenerate into senseless mudslinging.

    • AldoH said on 14th August 2014, 8:08

      I agree with this. It’s tiresome to read comments of that sort, “oh, this one made a mistake in Australia, that one spun in second practice, that one put a wheel wrong during qualifying” and on and on. I honestly can’t care less for how many spins in second practice, because want matters to me is the racing, not the silly statistic. There is a bunch of drivers that has been performing clearly better than others so far this year and that’s it. Beyond that, IMO, it’s all subjective territory.

      • John H (@john-h) said on 14th August 2014, 10:44

        Indeed. They actually should be making mistakes in practice as it shows they are trying to find the limits of the car.

      • Bullfrog (@bullfrog) said on 14th August 2014, 12:25

        Yes, it’s like the fun-suckers whose idea of watching tennis is to count how many unforced errors each player makes.

        I think it’s great that the drivers are making more mistakes this year, with more torque and less downforce. Not so good when braking systems with a mind of their own lead to errors. But it still gets your attention when Hulkenberg smacks into his team-mate or Alonso spins, as it happens so rarely with them.

    • BasCB (@bascb) said on 14th August 2014, 9:09

      Well worded @girts. Interesting point of view in the COTD but not really makes it stick. Vettel this year had maybe one race where I saw he was “on it”, although his save in Hungary to not hit the wall was a great show of car control, he has made some mistakes and hardly ever this year has been able to get the maximum out of the car as can seen by his teammate getting more out of it. I would say that Hulkenberg arguably did better (certainly than Vettel, maybe even than the merc drivers), he had one stupid accident and failed to get the car working for him in Bahrain, apart from that there is nothing than good driving.
      Both Mercedes guys have let things slip a couple of times this year, but then again they have heaps of expectation and pressure on them to make it a 1-2 every weekend which surely makes it hard to do more than expected.
      I don’t think they have had the best season of all drivers so far, although personally I would probably place Rosberg above Hamilton because I think he has taken an extra step forward to be a real challenge for Hamilton after a showing in Australia that he was still uncertain (like we saw at times last year) while Hamilton seems to have let pressure get to him a couple of times. On the other hand, he did show his great skill in getting back from starting at the back 2 times.

      • I wouldn’t say that Vettel had a great save to not hit the wall, after all once you’ve started spinning, there’s very little to nothing that you can do to avoid hitting things, the car sorta just goes where it wants to

    • Eric (@) said on 14th August 2014, 20:45

      @girts

      If the end result is all that counts, why bother watching a race?

  8. BrawnGP said on 14th August 2014, 7:31

    If I had a nickel for every time I heard someone say ‘this track is Hamilton’s track, he will get pole easy’, well, I would have gotten at least a few nickels.

    I would have gotten at least a few nickels! Serioulsly what were you thinking when you wrote that!? LOL

  9. JCost (@jcost) said on 14th August 2014, 7:48

    I’m done of this break too. Bring on Spa!

  10. Todfod (@todfod) said on 14th August 2014, 8:55

    I think the COTD is a serious exagerration. Maybe you could argue that both drivers shouldn’t make the top 5… but not make the top 10 is pushing it.

    Lewis was supreme when he won the 4 races on the trot, and Nico has been pretty solid as well. Don’t know how Vettel could be rated higher than either of them this season, considering that he cannot even match his less experienced teammate.. He has struggled to make it into Q3 on a few occassions even though he has had the second quickest car.

    Hulkenberg has been good and consistent, but Perez has shown that the car is capable of the occassional podium. If Hulk’s season was that spectacular, he should have bagged a podium by now.

    Bottas has been very good, but in the last 5 races. He failed to capitalise on William’s initial pace in the opening few races.

    Ricciardo and Alonso are the clear top performers this season, and places 3 to 6 could be filled in, according to preference between Lewis, Rosberg, Hulk and Bottas.

    But placing Hamilton and Rosberg out of the top 10 is just ridiculous.

  11. Jason said on 14th August 2014, 9:50

    Lewis has been MEGA this season.

    Him and Alonso still CREAM of the CROP.

    • Really? He’s blown it at least 4 times (spins in hungary race and austria qualy, missed pole in bahrain because he ran wide, missed the ever-so-critical Monaco pole, there are more, just can’t think of them off the top of my head). Take a look at COTD, he points out most or all of lewis’s mistakes.

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  13. From the other comments it seems most are already disagreeing with the CoTD, but I’ll add my two cents anyway. I could see an argument for placing the Mercedes drivers outside the top 5, they have made some mistakes as you pointed out. But outside the top 10?? I struggle to find 10 drivers who have not made a serious (race or qualy ending) mistake at some point this year. If not crashing is your only criteria (ignoring speed and all other factors) I can only think of seven; Alonso, Ricciardo, Vergne, Button, Kobayashi, Bottas (ignoring hitting the wall in Australia) and Vettel (ignoring spin into the wall in Hungary) who have not had session ending crashes through their own error – this is working from memory so I am likely wrong in some cases, but the point still stands.

    Hamilton has made two serious qualifying errors – in Austria through spins and Britain through his error of judgement. Unless you are also counting lockups and missed apexes, or being outqualified by a teammate, in which case every driver on the grid has made dozens (probably hundreds) of ‘mistakes’ this season. Rosberg has only been outqualified by other cars in wet conditions as far as I remember – I’ll admit he should do better in the wet, but he did get pole in Britain and Hungary in damp conditions.

    For me the Mercedes drivers are not top of the table for this year’s performance, but they are still in the top 5 due to their consistency (compared to most other drivers, but not all) and speed. Their achievements are not far off the maximum possible given their reliability problems (and other misfortune) in my opinion.

  14. Robbie (@robbie) said on 14th August 2014, 12:50

    I think it is likely that most drivers would admit that rarely do they do a perfect lap, and in fact would say that they can highlight a couple of ‘mistakes’ PER LAP every time they’re in the car.

  15. McCosmic said on 14th August 2014, 13:51

    I think the COTD is ridiculous. Whilst I value different perspectives the one outlined here is an extremely narrow one. There are so many more things to consider when subjectively measuring these drivers over half a season. For me LH and NR are a solid 3rd and 4th in that order. With Rosberg falling down on his racer-craft ability when compared to the other drivers. Other factors to be considered are the new regs producing more torquey difficult to drive cars, Merc has the faster car and the most evenly matched driver pairing which will naturally increase the pressure and the likelihood of mistakes. As a fan this is what I want to see, top level talent winning and making mistakes. It’s a big part of the drama and should be rewarded in my view when appraising performance. Going round a circuit relatively unchallenged, within your limits is quite frankly boring (Vettel’s 9 wins on the trot last season). I also think the saying that the best drivers drive the best cars, has something in it. Whilst it’s not an absolute, the behind the scenes driver activity which pushes car development is also a factor and I think the Merc drivers are doing a terrific job to max out their car performance when they need to in the races. I also note that Keith is specific about using data on car performance as a criteria in his selection. If we only measure by mistakes then the whole idea of having a meaningful appraisal in my view is a waste of time. For the record I put DR first and FA a close second simply because they have outperformed significantly their illustrious team mates and taken the opportunities they’ve been given. Can’t wait for Spa.

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