Magnussen drops from sixth to twelfth after penalty

2014 Belgian Grand Prix

Kevin Magnussen, McLaren, Spa-Francorchamps, 2014Kevin Magnussen has been moved down to 12th in the final classification for the Belgian Grand Prix after being given a 20-second time penalty.

The McLaren driver had the time added to his finishing position after the stewards ruled he “forced car 14 [Fernando Alonso] off the track between turns four [Raidillon] and five [Les Combes].”

“The driver of car 20 [Magnussen] was defending his position on the straight between turns four and five,” the stewards noted. “A significant portion of car 14 was alongside car 20.”

“The driver of car 20 did not leave enough space for car 14 and forced the car off the track.”

Magnussen was also awarded two penalty points on his licence, giving him a total of four, which is the most any driver has at the moment. Pastor Maldonado and Jules Bianchi are also on four penalty points.

The change to the finishing order means Jenson Button moves up to sixth place ahead of Alonso, Sergio Perez, Daniil Kvyat and Nico Hulkenberg – the latter promoted to the final points-paying position.

Magnussen is classified 12th behind Jean-Eric Vergne.

See the updated finishing positions and points standings after Magnussen’s penalty

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98 comments on Magnussen drops from sixth to twelfth after penalty

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  1. Mashiat (@mashiat) said on 24th August 2014, 16:35

    Completely deserved.

    • Main broadcast had stupid copper cam at that point and I didnt see any replays either.

      So, have you actually seen if Alonso was alongside (front wing on level or rear tires) before gap disappeared? Because Magnussen didnt have to give room, if Alonso put tire off before he got alongside. And that video, which I saw, dont really tell which order things happened.

      And I dont trust F1 stewards, I want to see it myself :-S

      • Here’s a video of the action. Alonso is “pushed” off at about thirty seconds.
        Alonso appears to be half way alongside Magnussen.

        • Liam McShane (@motor_mad) said on 24th August 2014, 18:03

          Wrong incident. That manouver was fine and perfectly legal. The one they are on about is before turn 5.

          • CommonSense said on 25th August 2014, 1:22

            Wrong incident but still it was the same corner Magnussen had pulled across dangerously earlier onto Fernando. F1 drivers can’t do that, unless you’re Schumacher, Vettel or Perez…

            In 2014 that kind of disrespectful driver is unacceptable, ok the first was from another era with too slack stewards, the second was the hero poster boy but Perez got dumped for being an insane driver.

            If Magnusson wants to progress in F1 he needs to defend by not chopping the path of another driver…that era is long gone! Thankfully.

          • @CommonSense: How you can say its right corner when penalty had nothing to do with any corner? And it didnt even happen anywhere nearby rivage. lol

            Magnussen got punished because of what happened on Kemmel straight and so far I havent seen any reasonable footage about it. I dont trust F1 stewards nor any retard comment automate, I would like to see it myself :-S

          • CommonSense said on 26th August 2014, 1:21

            I said same corner had done a similar/worse move lap(s) before when Fernando was level with rear wheel…lucky to get off these but thankfully pinged for idiotic move here – correct place he was given penalty;

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v-FQ_uLqfGw

            If “people” don’t understand from this then they have never raced and know nothing about the rules.

        • ferrox glideh (@ferrox-glideh) said on 24th August 2014, 18:12

          wrong incident. This was Magnussen defending strongly and fairly. The incident he was penalized for was later in a run up to Les Combes where he ran Alonso wide at terrific speed. One step over the line that he had been balancing on for a long time. Magnusson has a lot to learn, but he is still the best rookie since Bottas.

      • BasCB (@bascb) said on 25th August 2014, 7:24

        I agree on the camera work there, yeah.

        Alonso certainly was next to Magnussen in the incident he (MAG) was penalized for, a different one than what is shown on the video posted by @eriko – the rule about leaving space is for the straights, not for corners.

    • Euro Brun (@eurobrun) said on 24th August 2014, 17:33

      Does that put Foce India back ahead of McLaren?

    • Roland said on 24th August 2014, 17:34

      No way. At the very least Alonso ran wide and thus got a better run out of the previous corner which is absolutley an unfair advantage.

      • Mashiat (@mashiat) said on 25th August 2014, 14:26

        @roland You’re thinking of the wrong incident. Magnussen was penalized for pushing Alonso to the grass towards the end of the Kemmel Straight. Could’ve been dangerous at 340 kph. Just ask Kimi…

    • Strontium (@strontium) said on 24th August 2014, 18:15

      +1. Thoroughly deserved. His driving, not just with Alosno, but with all 3 of them on those closing laps was far too aggressive.

      • bananarama (@bananarama) said on 24th August 2014, 20:00

        Not just with those three. Beforehand there was a situation where he was “waiting” on the straight to see if the car behind (Perez?) would try the inside or outside line and only after the driver behind made his move Magnussen decided to make the exact same move. The camera angle I saw of the Alonso incident on Kemmel wasn’t really clear but I can easily imagine him doing the same with Alonso but the spaniard was having none of that. Similarly I think it is all fair to use the whole width of a corner to claim it, but it is a different thing when you know there is no place for the other guy to go because he is too far alongside you to just brake and get behind you again so he has to go wide and leave the track, which is what he did to Button.
        It is a bit disappointing because without all this Alonso might have been able to pass earlier and get himself ahead of the fight for position and got himself a fifth place, but mistakes are made and it is too late to reverse them. Now a rookie got himself a penalty and will do it differently in the future. Life goes on (at Merc it will go on too).

  2. Mashiat (@mashiat) said on 24th August 2014, 16:36

    I think it would have been unfair not to penalize him and the person in his very seat last year got a penalty for a similar incident.

  3. Oli (@dh1996) said on 24th August 2014, 16:36

    Correct decision

    • Toysoldier said on 24th August 2014, 16:50

      By this decision the FIA is telling drivers to simply step aside when someone tries to pass. Thus discouraging racing. A 20 sec penalty is way to harsh. Had Magnussen let Alonso pass he would not have lost 20 seconds.

      Why wasn’t Alonso punished for “causing a collision” when he crashed into Vettel in the last lap ?
      Personally, I think Magnussen did a great job defending his position and Alonso was crying like a baby, like he did on Silverstone when he was racing Vettel.

      • Patrick (@paeschli) said on 24th August 2014, 19:05

        Funny thing is, if Vettel had suffered from a puncture, they might have investigated the last lap crash between him and Alonso … double standards …

      • Jakob Paulsen (@venturadk) said on 24th August 2014, 20:24

        Well to be fair to Alonso – he didnt whine when interviewed about this after the race. To me, his comments were full of class. He obviously didn’t care about the position but about having (safe) fun while racing:

        Alonso was relatively unflustered by the late-race incident, saying: “When you are fighting for lower positions, sixth or seventh or whatever, it’s a little bit less important.

        “You just try to have fun, with safety as well, but it was not a big deal.” :)

        http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/115549

      • Oli (@dh1996) said on 24th August 2014, 21:10

        By this decision the FIA is telling drivers to simply step aside when someone tries to pass. Thus discouraging racing. … Why wasn’t Alonso punished for “causing a collision” when he crashed into Vettel in the last lap ?

        Always apply the “if there was a wall”-rule.

    • JCost (@jcost) said on 24th August 2014, 17:55

      His move was dangerous. Alonso could have lost control of that Ferrari.

  4. Michael (@mhonners) said on 24th August 2014, 16:38

    That’s a rather harsh penalty, no? If this deserves 20 seconds and penalty points surely rosberg on Hamilton could have had a 5 sec stop/go?

  5. Rosberg took the race leader and championship contender out of the race, nothing happens.

    Magnussen squeezes a car wide and gets 20 sec penalty, hilarious.

    • kpcart said on 24th August 2014, 18:17

      it is not hilarious. Rosbergs move was unintentional, while Magnussens was.

      • ferrox glideh (@ferrox-glideh) said on 24th August 2014, 18:21

        kpcart, you just beat me by two seconds :)

      • Brian (@bforth) said on 24th August 2014, 21:30

        If I may play devil’s advocate: Magnussen was penalised early on in the season for giving Kimi a puncture. The reason cited was “causing a collision”.

        Rosberg’s move was extremely similar to what Magnussen did to Raikkonen in Malaysia, and Magnussen was issued a penalty for it. On those grounds, N has a case for questioning the fairness of penalty applications.

        Of course, the marshals are about as consistent as month-old rice pudding when it comes to issuing penalties, so there’s also precedent for them to not penalise Rosberg. Given that the stewards reportedly rely on complaints to issue penalties, it could also be that Mercedes opted not to make an issue of Rosberg hitting Hamilton. No point ruining the races of both of their drivers, is there?

    • ferrox glideh (@ferrox-glideh) said on 24th August 2014, 18:19

      Penalties are (or at least should be) given with no thought to championship standings. Nico’s move was not great, and was aggressive, but it was a matter of tenths of a second decision making, not reactive like Magnussons move on Alonso. Racing incident, straight up. Watch the replays and ask yourself what you would have done in their place.

  6. Lars (@lars) said on 24th August 2014, 16:41

    Too tough – had his last name been Alonso or Vettel he would not have been penalised for this defence

    • DaveF1 (@davef1) said on 24th August 2014, 16:43

      But if his last name was Maldonado people would’ve made a much bigger deal of him almost forcing someone onto the grass on the Kemmel straight. Swings and roundabouts I guess.

      • Lars (@lars) said on 24th August 2014, 16:47

        There must be room for battle or F1 get lost in judicial procedures. Look at The penalty after The Perez and Massa in Canada and compare to this – out of proportion.

        • DaveF1 (@davef1) said on 24th August 2014, 16:55

          Sure there has to be room for battle so long as the battle takes place on the track and not with one driver having 2 wheels on the grass on a very high speed straight. Alonso doesn’t have to spin and crash for the defense to be deemed too aggressive.

          However I will agree that the penalty is too harsh but letting him get away with it was hardly an option.

    • Ridiculus, but the newbies just told, dont race a former WC..

    • caci99 said on 24th August 2014, 17:53

      A guy named Alonso got a 5 second stop and go today. Just saying.

  7. RBAlonso (@rbalonso) said on 24th August 2014, 16:46

    Too harsh for me. Had Alonso hit the wall and lost a handful of points then fair play but since there was no real loser here I think a reprimand, a stern talking to and a five second add on would have sufficed.

    • Slowhands (@slowhands) said on 24th August 2014, 16:52

      safety rules have to be proactive. it is too late to enforce a rule if Alonso is in the hospital severely injured. this is a good rule and should be enforced no matter who the drivers involved are.

      • RBAlonso (@rbalonso) said on 24th August 2014, 17:33

        I don’t really understand your comment @slowhands. The decision was always going to be taken after the race. I think a 20 second penalty should be reserved for when the defending driver significantly changes the attacking drivers race. Through loss of front wing or puncture etc. Magnusson did not excessively weave and had countless attacks on him all afternoon and defended perfectly but for this incident. In this case there was a backmarker (Ericsson) to his left and obviously saw Alonso very late and made a small error. Since there was no real time loss for either I don’t see where 20 seconds can come from: it was not a malicious move and Magnusson did not excessively weave. A talking to would have at least allowed him to keep points he undoubtably deserved for his drive today.

        • Slowhands (@slowhands) said on 24th August 2014, 18:37

          Yes, sorry, confusing to me as well re-reading. What I meant to say was with safety, in order for a rule to be in the front of a driver’s mind, ie affect behavior proactively when consequences can vary but can include serious injury or death, the penalty must be invariant upon the consequences, ie based on violating the rule rather than waiting to see what the result is. That has a better chance of controlling driver behavior than one where the offender might gamble on the worst not happening and getting away with a light penalty. I believe he did change Alonso’s race, because Alonso had the inside and was in good position to take the corner. Alonso was a bit faster at that point and could have finished several positions up had he gotten by as I don’t think Button would have had anything for him.

    • Tifoso1989 (@tifoso1989) said on 24th August 2014, 18:11

      @rbalonso
      This is the same reason why drivers like Gilles Villeneuve and Ayrton Senna lost their lives on track, the FIA actually implemented severe safety procedures just after their deaths. Magnussen drive was agressive and very dangerous, throwing a driver off the track at 320 Kph in a place where run off area are minimized is very dangerous. I’m pretty confident that if it was another driver apart from Alonso it would have been a very serious accident.
      What i hope is that KMag will learn from this penalty and improve his racing because the guy in my opinion have talent but he need to cool down a little bit.

      • RBAlonso (@rbalonso) said on 24th August 2014, 22:40

        @slowhands & @tifoso1989. I understand and completely agree with where you’re coming from re safety. I just think that the sport loses a great deal of respect by not applying consistent penalties. For me that would never have warranted a drive through during the race if it occurred on lap 20. Also if we look back to Alonso and Rosberg in Bahrain 2012 (albeit on tarmac) there was no punishment whatsoever. I also think if it had been Hamilton and Vettel in the last laps there would not be a retrospective punishment. While these are hypotheticals, I don’t think we should overly punish Mag for being a rookie. Penalty points, a stewards meeting complete with the world champions’ opinion and a five/ten second penalty would more than learn a lesson here. Thinking of other scenarios that have lead to 20 second penalties, they are normally the result of ruining a race. I simply feel Mag did a great job defending from Alonso all day and deserved points for it given 8 points is crucial in their battle with Force India. If Ericsson wasn’t there and he weaved across from far left to the position of the move what penalty would be applied? Imo it would be the one given out so that is why I don’t think it’s justified.

  8. Atticus (@atticus-2) said on 24th August 2014, 16:48

    A tad too harsh – even as an Alonso fan – something which dropped him just behind Alonso would’ve been enough, I think (as it was he against who he committed the violation).

  9. Rigi (@rigi) said on 24th August 2014, 16:48

    this is ridiculous. didn’t the FIA say they would stop giving out penalty for minor incidents such as this? what a joke!

    • StefMeister (@stefmeister) said on 24th August 2014, 17:44

      Forcing another driver onto WET grass at 200mph down a straght is not what I would consider a ‘minor incident’.

      There was plenty of other bits of good racing today (Including my Magnussen) without the defending driver resorting to forcing the other car off track down the straght.

      If the FIA were to take no action then it would imply that this sort of driving is acceptable which it just isn’t. I’ve seen that sort of driving cause some monumental accidents over the years & its about time that a clear message was sent about it been unacceptable.

  10. craig-o (@craig-o) said on 24th August 2014, 16:49

    I was hugely impressed by Magnussen this weekend but that move on Alonso was just a bit too much at those speeds. That cost him a DOTW vote, which is clearly more important than a sixth place ;)

  11. Uzair Syed (@ultimateuzair) said on 24th August 2014, 16:49

    Stupid decision. His defending was perfectly legal and just because he was defending against Alonso who is popular, he gets a penalty.

    • George (@george) said on 24th August 2014, 16:52

      @ultimateuzair
      Forcing someone off-track on a straight is not ‘perfectly legal’

    • Daniel said on 24th August 2014, 20:22

      F1 FIA Sporting Regulation:

      20.4 Any driver defending his position on a straight, and before any braking area, may use the full width of the track during his first move, provided no significant portion of the car attempting to pass is alongside his. [...] For the avoidance of doubt, if any part of the front wing of the car attempting to pass is alongside the rear wheel of the car in front this will be deemed to be a ‘significant portion’.

      20.5 Manoeuvres liable to hinder other drivers, such as deliberate crowding of a car beyond the edge of the track or any other abnormal change of direction, are not permitted.

      I really do not understand why people talk about a “perfectly legal” move when clearly it isn’t. If you don’t know even know the rules of the sport you follow, go read them instead of posting random opinion.

      And quite frankly, even if you don’t know the exact rules, if you think that pushing a driver on the grass at 300km/h to defend your position is a legal move, well…

      Funny: of all the drivers that got passed at the end of Kemmel today, Magnussen was the only one smart enough to push the opponent on the grass. Ah, if only the other drivers would have thought of that!

  12. Slowhands (@slowhands) said on 24th August 2014, 16:49

    Correct decision, and fair. Mags violated a specific rule about leaving a car-width when defending a car alongside you. Putting Alonso in the grass at that speed put Alonso at high risk of losing control of his car and a serious shunt. Doesn’t matter who the drivers are, this rule should be enforced.

  13. Nick (@npf1) said on 24th August 2014, 16:51

    Wait, no action against Rosberg for his very similar move on Alonso at Bahrain 2012, but for Magnussen they do give a penalty?

    A shame.

    • Because it wasn’t similar.

      In Bahrain, Rosberg moved to the line first and Alonso did not have any part of his car alongside Nico until AFTER he left the track. Exactly the same thing that happened with Rosberg and Hamilton. Hamilton and Alonso both left the track before they got alongside Rosberg.

      In today’s race, Alonso was in fact alongside Mag BEFORE he was pushed off the track, hence the penalty.

      Mag had a cracking race today but as far as I can see, the penalty was fair.

  14. Breno (@austus) said on 24th August 2014, 16:59

    That kinda screamed for a penalty, but I think 20s is too harsh. I suppose the stewards are counting this as a drive through. But then again, no consistency.

  15. Lars (@lars) said on 24th August 2014, 17:00

    Look at recent Alonso and Vettel where no one got penalised. It is called racing for a reason

    • pSynrg (@psynrg) said on 24th August 2014, 19:37

      @lars totally with you on this. I was blown away by Magnussen’s brilliant and creative defending. By far the most exciting action of the whole race. Here was a rookie against a collection of 7 WDCs racing his heart out.
      Absolutely fantastic stuff and driver of the race for me.

      This penalty is a blatant show of inconsistency at best and cynical at worst (i.e. Ferrari screamed loud enough on this occasion.)

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