Greece makes plans for grand prix near Athens

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Greece ‘keen’ on Mediterranean Grand Prix bid (CNN)

“Athanasios Papatheodorou – track architect for the prospective race promoter Dielpis – says that ‘the Prime Minister himself has supported fully the initiative for organizing F1 races and is looking forward to the instruction from the relevant international federations to realize the Dielpis Formula One project.'”

Nico Rosberg escapes punishment from FIA for Lewis Hamilton collision (The Guardian)

“‘A comment alleged to have been made in an internal briefing and later denied by the team itself does not constitute such a ‘new element’ [that would merit a new investigation],’ added the [FIA] spokesman.”

Verstappen has first F1 run in RB7 at Rockingham (Adam Cooper’s F1 Blog)

Max Verstappen has had his first F1 outing today at Rockingham – still some 35 days short of his 17th birthday.”

McLaren and Whitmarsh part company (Reuters)

“McLaren and Martin Whitmarsh have agreed amicably to part company.”

McLaren wants five-year driver plan (ESPN)

“We are working on the strategy for the driver line-up for the next years. For me it’s important to say years because we are looking for three years and maybe five years.”

McLaren considering Vandoorne F1 role (Autosport)

“We are now assessing all scenarios. I think GP2 is one of them, as he still has to learn more about GP2, get more wins and obviously fight for the championship.”

Len Terry 1923 – 2014 (Joe Saward)

“He was then convinced to return to Lotus and became Colin Chapman’s design engineer, translating his ideas into designs and making them work. In this role he played a key part in the design if the Lotus 25 and 33 models.”

In praise of Derek Warwick (MotorSport)

“This former works Lotus, Renault, Brabham, Peugeot and Jaguar driver who won Le Mans, the World SportsCar Championship and is now President of the British Racing Drivers’ Club named a stock car race with his family at Wimbledon Stadium as his greatest ever.”


Comment of the day

I was underwhelmed by the first video lap of Russia’s new F1 track in Sochi but @ECWDanSelby liked what he saw:

If the whole video was on-board, it’d be a lot easier to tell, but I’d say the circuit actually looks pretty darn fast.

Many of the corners (up until the final sector) look surprisingly quick. A car with decent downforce will be lifting/dabbing the brakes on most of them.

It actually seems like quite a different style circuit for Hermann Tilke (again, with the exception of the final sector, which is just Abu Dhabi). Even in this (comparatively) slow car, the corners come thick and fast and seem never ending, but they’re all pretty quick.

Usually Tilke’s circuits include the mandatory long straight, and a mix of bends. This seems to be many quick flicks.

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On this day in F1

On this day 25 years ago it rain at Spa and Ayrton Senna did his stuff, leading home team mate Alain Prost.

But Prost had the feisty Ferrari of Nigel Mansell on his tail. Mansell was taking a particularly creative line at the exit of the La Source hairpin, and pressured Prost until he almost caught Senna, the trio separated by less than two seconds at the flag.

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130 comments on Greece makes plans for grand prix near Athens

  1. LexBlair (@lexblair) said on 27th August 2014, 0:09

    Which halfway sane top driver, other than a rookie, would sign a 3/5 year with McLaren? For money, I guess…. All the big talk, but no big game behind Boullier/Dennis.

    • LexBlair (@lexblair) said on 27th August 2014, 0:10

      3/5 year -contract-

      • US_Peter (@us_peter) said on 27th August 2014, 0:42

        Most contracts in F1 reportedly have performance clauses for both driver and team, so if the team didn’t perform the driver would have an out. That’s supposedly the situation Alonso is in right now with Ferrari. He’s under contract for another couple years, but there’s apparently a clause in his contract that says he is free to leave if the team is not at least third in the constructors championship at a certain point in the season. I would think that any top driver signing up with McLaren would demand a similar clause in any contract they signed, thereby limiting the danger of being stuck in an uncompetitive team for eternity.

    • Atticus (@atticus-2) said on 27th August 2014, 0:17

      This practically rules out an Alonso-McLaren reunion.

    • BasCB (@bascb) said on 27th August 2014, 8:42

      Its not really about giving anyone a 3 or 5 year contract. Its about McLaren planning what they will do after next year and the year after that (i.e. what with Vandoorne, do they count on Magnussen long term, what about Nyck de Vries, as well as the potential to sign Alonso, or Vettel? for a long term deal).

  2. Strontium (@strontium) said on 27th August 2014, 0:13

    5 year driver plan McLaren? Sounds decent, and straightforward. Now, some advice eh? 2015: Button and Magnussen. 2016-19: Magnussen and Vandoorne ;) Maybe get Grosjean if Magnussen wants to move on.

    I do like the idea of a Grand Prix in Greece, and I know there was minor speculation a few years back, but if this one were to happen that would be cool :D

    Now, just a small bit on the whole Mercedes situation. Nobody batted an eyelid when Hamilton crashed into Kimi in Germany and damaged Kimi’s car, or when Vettel did the same, or when Alonso hit Vettel last race (which was a rare mistake from Alonso but it just shows it happens even to the best of them), but when Rosberg bumps Hamilton there is no end of controversy. It just doesn’t seem right. I know the effects of the collision were severe, but even so, the nature of the incident itself was the same accidental nudge.

    • Breno (@austus) said on 27th August 2014, 0:20

      5 years sounds like Button isnt going to be there, maybe Hulkenberg or Grosjean, but that sounds pretty much midfield.

      • Quite a few of the current top drivers in F1 will probably not be around in five years time – even a relatively recent graduate like Bottas will be in his early 30’s by then, and even if he wasn’t forced out, you suspect that Button might choose to retire by then anyway.

        As others have suggested, you have to assume that Boullier is talking about a long term strategic plan for the team, with the five year projection probably encompassing a range of up and coming drivers in case some of their shorter term options don’t work out. It’d be pretty awkward if, for example, McLaren decided to built their five year plan around a single driver like Vandoorne, only for said driver to then be poached by another team.

    • schooner (@schooner) said on 27th August 2014, 1:03

      @strontium The obvious difference re the Mercedes situation is that none of the incidents you pointed out involved team mates. I recall there being a pretty large stink when Vettel ran into Webber in Turkey some years ago. At least in that case, he only took himself out of the race, but the points loss for RBR was similar. I also recall Vettel getting a consoling pat on the back from Marko after he returned to the pits. I would doubt that Rosberg has been getting much love from Lauda and Wolff since Sunday.

      • MaroonJack (@maroonjack) said on 27th August 2014, 7:51

        More importantly: in the incidents @strontium pointed out we didn’t have an executive director admitting that his driver “could have avoided crashing but didn’t to make a point”. To me it’s the biggest difference, because it means Rosberg did it on purpose, even if the FIA won’t pursue the case.

        • ColdFly F1 (@coldfly) said on 27th August 2014, 9:18

          @maroonjack , I think @strontium makes a good comparison.
          There is a big difference between ‘playing chicken’ and ‘crashing into somebody’ (deliberately), even though the result can be the same.
          In most of the examples above it was a case of ‘playing chicken’, and saying you want to ‘make a point’ all but proves it was a game of ‘playing chicken’.

          I personally see this is a racing incident and Rosberg at fault (yes there can be fault in a racing incident). And it was not a very smart move from Rosberg as chances are he would only harm himself. BUT Rosberg has been too meek so far in his career and at one point had to show he could be assertive or even aggressive as well.

          • MaroonJack (@maroonjack) said on 27th August 2014, 10:45

            @coldfly It wasn’t “playing chicken”. It was too late for that. Other drivers looking at the situation already said as much. If you’re following another driver and you see that your overtaking attempt will not stick, you should back off. The time for playing chicken is when you’re side by side, not when you’re more than half car length behind and the other driver is already committed to his racing line.

            You say it was not a very smart move from Rosberg. I disagree with that too. I think it was a smart move and it turned out really well for him.

            I always thought that Rosberg was an underrated driver and I supported him throughout his career. When people were saying that Schumacher was driving poorly after his comeback I was saying that it was Rosberg driving exceptionally well. Still, he’s not as good as Hamilton or Alonso. Lewis’ misfortunes helped Nico tremendously, but it looks like they weren’t enough so he had to resort to this. It’s not the first dirty trick this season, so by now he made his point loud and clear, but in doing so, he lost my respect.

    • Iestyn Davies (@fastiesty) said on 27th August 2014, 3:50

      @strontium Magnussen-Vandoorne has to be their long-term driver line up…. Ron will know that that £10m saved on top driver salary can be better utilised in car development.

      • JeffreyJ said on 27th August 2014, 8:35

        If I was McLaren I would pay up toget Bottas. Both Williams and McLaren arent locks to be good but A money talks and B they are basically the Honda factory team from next year onward.

        Honda’s #1 priority and the most promising young driver other than RIC…..Now thát would be a good 5yr plan, no?

      • JCost (@jcost) said on 27th August 2014, 10:24

        @fastiesty and Kevin Magnussen is a capable driver. It’s his first year but I’ve seen many positives in his driving. His year is far from flawless but he has put on some noteworthy drives.

        • Iestyn Davies (@fastiesty) said on 27th August 2014, 14:07

          @jcost Vandoorne is likely ready now too. 2010 F4 Eurocup 1.6 champion (beats Nato), 2011 Eurocup FR2.0 5th (behind Frijns, Sainz Jr, Kvyat, Stevens), 2012 FR2.0 Champion (beats Kvyat), 2013 FR3.5 runner-up (to Magnussen), 2014 GP2 3rd (behind DAMS and Nasr). FP1s next year should be a minimum, even if like Bottas used to gain experience before a full debut.

          • Iestyn Davies (@fastiesty) said on 27th August 2014, 14:20

            A likely 4th in the 2011 F. Renault NEC (behind Sainz Jr, Kvyat, Frijns; actually 3rd from Frijns missing races) and champion in 2012 (ahead of Dennis, King, Hill and de Vries, if completing the season) also hint that he’s taken the maximum learning out of each year.

            His main championship finishes read 1st, 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 5th (with a 1st and 4th fair to add in under the circumstances). Never finishing below 5th in a season reminds me of Hamilton and Hulkenberg, and he’s faced strong contemporaries (Frijns, Magnussen, Sainz, Kvyat all F1 level).

  3. matt90 (@matt90) said on 27th August 2014, 0:14

    Interesting that Mansell was allowed to use run-off to make the circuit longer (but faster) and they disqualified Senna in Japan that same year for using run-off to make the circuit shorter (but merely to stay in the race). I liked Spa having road markings. It makes it feel faster somehow.

  4. If Mclaren want a long term driver does that mean Jenson is out?

    • Mach1 (@mach1) said on 27th August 2014, 0:56

      My gut is that Button will at least be around for another year. They may want someone who has been with the team long term and who has a lot of experience (who they know inside and out) for development when Honda come on board.

      It makes sense to me…..but stranger things have happened and Button may indeed go. I have a sneeky feeling Ron does not rate Button…

      • ^Mo^ said on 27th August 2014, 6:28

        Button is good, but if you can get a better driver (Alonso) you should always go for it in my opinion. I don’t think they’d be as stupid as to put two rookies in the car though, especially with the new engine coming. So if no-one better is available, it’ll be Button for next year.

    • W-K (@w-k) said on 27th August 2014, 3:08

      I would have thought with Jenson’s knowledge of Japan and his previous work with Honda, that at least in the short term he could be one of McLaren’s biggest assets.

  5. Atticus (@atticus-2) said on 27th August 2014, 0:26

    On the COTD.

    Of the thirteen deceleration events only three seems to be high-speed (T4, T8 and T9) – which is more than I first expected, to tell you the truth, that section from T7 to T10 is bound to be decent and previously I thought even those will be carbon-copy 90-degrees.

    The rest of the corners, sadly, are indeed 90-degree cookie-cutters and they are likely to be low-to-medium-speed turns.

    The only other point of interest for me should be that strange increasing radius T14 – I expect a lot of rear ends wanting to break free as the drivers try to squeeze on the power, especially as most of the corners – as per ‘good’ Tilke – are off-camber.

    • Atticus (@atticus-2) said on 27th August 2014, 0:33

      I know it is somewhat fashionable to criticise F1 tracks nowadays, but I’m a huge race track fan and I do know what makes a track layout great, so I just try to be realistic with these assessments.

      Of course, Tilke had his hands full with the FIA safety regs, and I know it is likely not really possible to design better tracks for F1 at the moment, but this makes no difference to the current crop in absolute terms – they’re still quite rubbish compared to the likes of Oulton Park, Suzuka, Brands Hatch, Lime Rock Park, etc.

    • Patrick (@paeschli) said on 27th August 2014, 9:50

      I’m pretty bad at circuit lay-outs but, the start will be quite messy no? With the kink named T1 and then a big braking zone at T2 it will be quite tricky.

      • Atticus (@atticus-2) said on 27th August 2014, 12:16

        Yes, I agree, that T1 should be a bit tight at the start, not quite, but a bit similar to the first kink on the long flat-out section of the Macau start-finish straight.

  6. Forrest said on 27th August 2014, 0:41

    A Greek Grand Prix, when the country is bankrupt and received a massive bailout? A bankruptcy that was caused in part by all the money they spent on the Athens Olympics, and now they want to spend upwards of a billion euros on motorsports. I’m glad they’ve got their priorities straight!

    I know they say the cost is going to be covered by private investment, but I can’t think of any recent addition to the calendar, besides Austria(with all of RB’s money), that has been entirely financed by private investors. That’s why there is a grand prix in Austin(Texas contributed money from their public events fund) and not one in New Jersey(the state government won’t help to cover the cost).

    • JCost (@jcost) said on 27th August 2014, 9:08

      A Greek GP is not something I was expecting… Portugal has two great top circuits (Estoril and Algarve) and is not even thinking about it; Valencia left the circus because costs were unbearable but “private investors” in Greece want to build a brand new track and host a GP at exchange of over 20 million USD per year? Guys, good luck.

  7. Uzair Syed (@ultimateuzair) said on 27th August 2014, 0:54

    That’s great if F1 is becoming more international. It will get the Greek fans much more involved in F1. Just tell Hermann Tilke not to design the circuit otherwise it will just be another dull, boring Tilkedrome with Tilke-esque 90 degree unchallenging corners with tarmac runoffs that don’t punish the drivers for exceeding track limits.

  8. mantresx (@mantresx) said on 27th August 2014, 1:00

    Speaking of the Russian Grand Prix, why is called like that? why not spell it it in russian like the Hungarian one (Magyar Nagydíj), I’m not saying they should use russian characters but maybe the equivalent in roman alphabet.

  9. Wil-Liam (@wil-liam) said on 27th August 2014, 1:24

    There has to be something wrong when one of F1’s most combative racers asks to be excused from the race and team ‘choose’ to retire him #F1
    7:36 AM – 26 Aug 2014 Peterborough, United Kingdom
    I don’t get this tweet, @keithcollantine please explain :)

    • GB (@bgp001ruled) said on 27th August 2014, 3:46

      it is only a very dumb tweet!

    • the skwirrell said on 27th August 2014, 4:57

      there was something wrong, but he (mostly) had himself to blame. he cut the other driver off (by insisting it was “his” line) and the two cars touched. a racing incident; no more, no less.

      however, Hamilton’s second error was one that he only had himself to blame for, as he was going far too fast heading back towards the pits. school boy error.

      as for actually retiring the car, the broadcast of the car-team radio made it clear that it was somewhat manufactured. now that is something the FIA should investigate!

      well done to Eddie Jordan for the podium interview and keeping the crowd in check.

      • JCost (@jcost) said on 27th August 2014, 9:24

        Are you serious? The guy his hit and is forced to complete a lap on 3 boots damaging his floor and you say it’s his creation because he was suppose to drive 50 km/h? How could it prevent the floor touching tarmac?

        As for FIA investigation, a driver can retire the car if it’s underperforming to prevent future grid penalties by saving his engine.

      • Adam Hardwick (@fluxsource) said on 27th August 2014, 10:14

        I struggling to understand how anyone is blaming Lewis for that contact. Normally you could argue it’s a matter of opinion, but in this case that’s just plain wrong.

        As for heading back to the pits too quickly, if he’d gone significantly slower (which is what he would have needed to have done to avoid the damage) he would have been much, much further behind, with even less point continuing.

        Manufactured? I don’t understand your point. The time retired the car to avoid adding more miles to the engine. That was pretty clear, and pretty sensible. Not sure what you’re suggesting should be investigated.

        • Andreas said on 27th August 2014, 22:58

          You have to have a legitimate reason to retire the car, if you also want to reap the benefits (for instance change the gearbox out of sequence without grid penalty). Saving the engine is not a legitimate reason, and even though the car wasn’t as fast at it would have been, it still worked. This is why the team had to come up with something terminal as the reason – hence the bit about damage to aerodynamic parts getting worse.

      • Jack (@jackisthestig) said on 27th August 2014, 10:51

        Eddie was brilliant on the podium, stoking up the crowd but saying “ooh come on guys that’s not fair…”.

      • The Abbinator (@abbinator) said on 28th August 2014, 8:42

        The contact was not LH’s fault — purely NR, however the resultant damage to his floor is fully at Lewis’ door. Shame that it happened so soon in teh lap, but had he kept his head and limped back to the pits without shredding his tyre he might have had some points and mitigated the damage. Still, rather silly by NR to “allow” the incident to happen. The overtake was never on in that situation (maybe in a couple more laps) and his front tyre was never beyond LH’s rear tyre, so 100% Nico’s fault for the collision.

    • Keith Collantine (@keithcollantine) said on 27th August 2014, 8:24

      @wil-liam It’s a reference to Hamilton retiring at Spa.

    • JeffreyJ said on 27th August 2014, 8:52

      Hamilton asked to retire when points seemed out of reach to save the engine.

      He has an engine less than Nico because it went up in flames in qualifying and now he has no fresh engine for Monza and/or will suffer a penalty if he does and subsequently uses more than 5 engines at some point this year.

      As much as Hamilton dislikers want to pin this on HAM being mentally weak and dumb, he was actually thinking on his feet here and quite frankly it would have been the smart thing to do.

      The tweet says “something wrong with F1″ I guess meaning that there shouldn’t be rules (engine related in this case) that make it smart to not RACE…

      In general that seems to make sense but if you look more closely it is just populistic and shallow. The reason there is only 5 engines is cost cutting and I think its important to note that any team who can’t get the job done (ie let an engine go upin flames and therefor being behind the 8ball) is not doing as good a job as others. F1 is as much a competition between drivers as it is between teams and engine manufacturers imho

    • JimG (@jimg) said on 27th August 2014, 10:19

      I don’t know who “sniffermedia” is, but it does seem like a daft thing to say. Hamilton has a bit of a reputation for being a hothead, but I think he’s cleverer than that. He’s shown more than enough times that he’s willing and able to race through the field from the back, but this time he knew that he had no chance of making up ground with the damage to his car, and was taking the long view of saving the engine for the next races.

  10. colinf (@colinf) said on 27th August 2014, 1:48


    Wait, what?

  11. Kingshark (@kingshark) said on 27th August 2014, 1:55

    Up until yesterday I thought that this whole Rosberg-Hamilton rivalry was all hot air blown out of proportion by the media, but I found this quite interesting:

    In the meeting, you said he said he apologized?
    LH: “No, no he didn’t. He said it was my fault and that he could have avoided it. But he didn’t want to.”

    What did you say?
    LH: “You don’t want to know what I said!”–the-full-transcript-of-his-explosive-belgian-gp-press-briefing

    • I know. I can just imagine all of them just screaming and swearing at each other.

    • BasCB (@bascb) said on 27th August 2014, 7:06

      A different perspective on the same incident.

      • Mad Eric (@mad-eric) said on 27th August 2014, 8:27

        @bascb OH! That’s a great article you found, just my thoughts exactly, but explained far better!

      • dragoll (@dragoll) said on 27th August 2014, 9:45

        @bascb I like that look at the situation. However, the question remains, could ROS have summed up all that at that corner, at that time, in that split second?

        • BasCB (@bascb) said on 27th August 2014, 9:53

          Good question @dragoll, I guess he was determined up front to make his moves stick if the opportunity/need arose – i.e. not back off to avoid a collision – this time.

          But you know how sometimes things become clear in a split second like that (especially when they go wrong!).

      • lawrence said on 27th August 2014, 9:54

        @bascb That was really a much needed pragmatic analysis of this whole thing. I wish @keithcollantine would feature it in the roundup tomorrow. It’s a much needed reading for people who are forgetting to look at the big picture.

      • Patrick (@paeschli) said on 27th August 2014, 10:04

        Great article indeed, people were always talking about the psychological war but it’s only now that it will start to affect the drivers. Can’t wait for the next GP.

      • matt90 (@matt90) said on 27th August 2014, 11:45

        I disagree about the conclusion. Having shown that he will make unnecessary contact with his team mate, and with 2 races in a row being won by Ricciardo (Rosberg hasn’t managed that, and only has 1 win more in the clear fastest car), I doubt anybody in the team are feeling better in any way after the incident.

        • hobo (@hobo) said on 27th August 2014, 15:50

          @matt90 – Assuming the thrust of the article that @bascb linked to is correct, and it’s just an opinion piece, Rosberg’s point was to be assertive and make Hamilton think twice before moving on him. Not to make people feel better.

          • matt90 (@matt90) said on 27th August 2014, 16:17

            @hobo I was referring to this.

            However, some satisfaction will be gained from Nico’s side of the garage — not from the 29-point buffer between he and his teammate, but from the knowledge that his message has been heard loud and clear: Nico Rosberg is no pushover, no nice guy.

            I’m not saying that his point was to make people feel better. I just doubt anybody in the team really got any satisfaction.

          • hobo (@hobo) said on 27th August 2014, 16:22

            @matt90 – Ahh. I simply took that to mean, some satisfaction from Nico. But I see what you’re saying.

          • matt90 (@matt90) said on 27th August 2014, 16:35

            I shouldn’t have said conclusion really. It was just a point they made near the end.

  12. Stig Semper Fi (@stigsemperfi) said on 27th August 2014, 2:22

    I saw the rumours of a grand prix in Greece and instantly thought “Oh dear, here we go again. Another place on the calendar sold to the highest bidder. Does Greece even have a following in F1 or indeed in any motorsport? It’s also worth noting in the article that Bernie says Vladimir Putin is trustworthy and an easy guy to deal with. Hmmm….

    • matiascasali (@matiascasali) said on 27th August 2014, 3:39

      forget about the fans! do they have the money? they should have a MILLION more important things in wich spend money than a Grand Prix!! I would love to have a GP here in Argentina, but as long as the country is inmerse in quite a bad economy, the last thing i want for my goverment is to say: “ok, our hospital and schools are faling apart, but we’re going to have a pretty race wich cost us a fortune, only the richer people can afford the tickets, the racers will be really far away from the people who really loves the sport, but are far from wealthy enough to pay a ticket, and you’ll still be getting the race through the TV, even when you live less than 200 mts away from track” yeah, that’s what every person in greece wants…

      • BlueChris (@bluechris) said on 27th August 2014, 7:20

        Well the fans dont have money to buy season tickets for their Footy teams but they buy them … you know if you love something you find the way to follow it for sure and F1 is uterus great for us here.

    • wsrgo (@wsrgo) said on 27th August 2014, 3:59

      @stigsemperfi Highest bidder? Greece is economically crippled..

    • Mika (@petrucci) said on 27th August 2014, 11:07

      You are misinformed my dear, Greek people are passionate about motorsports and have proven that they respond with great enthusiasm to big sporting and cultural events. The problem is always of economic nature and that’s why Greece is out of the WRC calendar for 2 years now. Nevertheless, WRC was very successful whenever it happened. Or any other sporting event (Champions League final, Olympic Games, IAAF etc)

  13. Little_M_Lo (@pezlo2013) said on 27th August 2014, 3:21

    Surely Greece cant be looking to host a Formula 1 Grand Prix given the horror state the 2004 Olympic Park has become?!

  14. BasCB (@bascb) said on 27th August 2014, 6:51

    Yes Bernie. Putin is a very solid partner and you can rely on it being before noon when he says good Morning. Thing is, WHERE because when you look at Russia alone, it can easily be afternoon AND morning at the same time.

    • Girts (@girts) said on 27th August 2014, 13:15

      @BasCB I think Putin indeed is a very good partner… for Bernie. His country permanently needs a facelift and he does not need to care about what voters think about spending money on F1, which means that he wants to pay a lot of $ to Bernie and can afford it, too. How could Bernie not like it? Yes, there are several risks involved but whatever happens, FOM will make lots of money. Even if the Russian Grand Prix cannot happen for whatever reason after 2014, FOM will simply move on and find other places to go to.

      • BasCB (@bascb) said on 27th August 2014, 13:37

        Hm, one point I don’t agree with there @girts: I think Putin does mind what voters think about spending money on F1 … therefore he brainwashes them into feeling good about it because its for the greater glory of Russia!

      • Girts (@girts) said on 27th August 2014, 13:51

        @BasCB You are absolutely right, that is what I thought, people just don’t ask the questions that taxpayers in countries like Australia or France would ask because Putin’s media have convinced them that everything is fine.

  15. With regards to the track layout of the circuit in Greece, here is a previous Dielpis Formula One project design of the circuit located at Port Drapetsona (2012).

    Now, the circuit actually looks awesome.

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