2012 championship, 2009 points (57 posts)

  • Profile picture of Adam Tate Adam Tate said 8 months, 1 week ago:

    The old points system was so good, so much simpler and easier to follow. Now it’s much harder to compare eras as even moderately successful driver of today have amassed “more” points than than even the greats of the past. 72 points for Alonso at this point in the season is seriously impressive.

  • Profile picture of raymondu999 raymondu999 said 7 months, 3 weeks ago:

    Singapore update

    Alonso – 78
    Vettel – 68
    Raikkonen – 60
    Hamilton – 55
    Webber – 52
    Button – 48
    Rosberg – 36
    Grosjean – 33
    Perez – 26
    Massa – 18
    Schumacher – 15
    Kobayashi – 12
    Maldonado – 11
    Hulkenberg – 10
    di Resta – 15
    Senna – 7
    Vergne – 2

  • Profile picture of andae23 andae23 said 7 months, 3 weeks ago:

    This point system is so much more comprehensible than the current point system: could we please switch to these points again?

  • Profile picture of Alex Alex said 7 months, 3 weeks ago:

    We need to award points down to 10th so that the midfield teams have something meaningful to race for. Just think of all the interest in who will take 7th/8th/9th/10th – often it is more interesting than the battle for the lead.

    In contrast, nobody really cares who finishes 11th-15th because for the likes of Force India or Torro Rosso, that would simply mean no points and a faliure.

    Now once we’re awarding 1 point to 10th place, we need to award more points to all the places above. Hence the current system.

  • Profile picture of raymondu999 raymondu999 said 7 months, 1 week ago:

    Japan Update

    Alonso – 78 (Alonso pulls clear of Vettel by 3rd place count back)
    Vettel – 78
    Raikkonen – 63
    Hamilton – 61
    Button – 53
    Webber – 52
    Rosberg – 36
    Grosjean – 33
    Perez – 26
    Massa – 26
    Kobayashi – 18
    Schumacher – 15
    Maldonado – 12
    Hulkenberg – 10
    di Resta – 15
    Senna – 7
    Vergne – 2

  • Profile picture of Younger Hamii Younger Hamii said 7 months, 1 week ago:

    This articles supports the topic I was actually going to post today, questioning the current points system & whether a change was needed.

    The main reason for the introduction of the current points system back in 2010 was to provide more teams with an opportunity to score points, particularly the ‘new’ teams in Caterham (formerly Lotus), Marussia (formerly Virgin) & HRT, these teams now settled, yet to score their elusive point almost after three seasons since their entrances into the scene of the pinnacle of racing, & they still not demonstrating any encouraging signs that they are likely to score a point in the foresseable future (albeit Caterham in Valencia out-qualifying the Toro Rossos & with Petrov running in P11 at some stage I believe).

    Personally, I’m beginning to dislike this points system now, just realised that there’s too much of a gap between 1st & 2nd in terms of difference in points scored (7, which equals the difference between 1st & 6th with the old system) & if a driver happens to score a DNF, especially when it’s through no fault of their own & plus they’re in a title battle, then they suffer immensely & quite frankly, unfairly. It also provides drivers in situations where they undeservedly in places they shouldn’t end up, clear example of this being after Vettel won in Bahrain to conclude the flyaways, after all his struggles with adapting to the RB exhaust systems & Webber arguably being the better driver if not on equal terms to Vettel, suddenly leapt up from 5th to leading the WDC from Hamilton heading to Spain. It was ridiculous for me to witness, first thought was ‘unbelievable, this guy has all his struggles, yet he leads the championship after the flyaway races’. I know it’s racing to some extent, life as well & stats are not meant to reflect performance all the time but… what I’m trying to imply is that a lot is lost from this current points system & it’s overly punishing.

    Oh – & let’s not talk about the recent example. Suzuka.

  • Profile picture of raymondu999 raymondu999 said 7 months, 1 week ago:

    @younger-hamii A points system works the same for every driver. There is very little difference between the two points systems believe it or not. You can divide the new points by 2.5 and get basically what is their score in the old system.

    The new system doesn’t “punish more for a DNF” – it just makes the punishment more visible, because they lose 25 points instead of 10. But then again they have 194 points, instead of 78… get it? It’s basically like the old points system, under a magnifying glass.

    The only thing it does punish is just P2 – taking away a massive 2 points in the new system.

    Just because something LOOKS like more points, doesn’t mean it is. A DNF still costs you the same number of points, just that you see it more.

    Just look at the standings in old points – there’s no change in the order. For example Hamilton is 20% of a win away from Raikkonen in the old system. In the new system, he’s… guess what! 20% away too.

  • Profile picture of the_sigman the_sigman said 7 months, 1 week ago:

    The new system rewards a win more. Also, they wanted to have the percentage of drivers scoring per total drivers to remain the same as before 2010.

  • Profile picture of Kingshark Kingshark said 7 months, 1 week ago:

    Rewarding a win more isn’t necessary a good thing.

    10 years ago we switched in point-system from having the 2nd placed finisher scoring 6 points to scoring 8 points, because we wanted a closer championship.

    And let’s be honest, which season was better and more exciting, 2002 or 2003? Obviously the latter, right?

  • Profile picture of raymondu999 raymondu999 said 7 months, 1 week ago:

    @sigman1998

    The new system rewards a win more

    That’s not entirely correct. The new system, compared to the older one, does NOT reward wins. It punishes P2.

  • Profile picture of raymondu999 raymondu999 said 7 months ago:

    Post-Korea, in 2009 points

    Vettel – 88
    Alonso – 84
    Raikkonen – 67
    Hamilton – 61
    Webber – 60
    Button – 53
    Rosberg – 36
    Grosjean – 35
    Massa – 31
    Perez – 26
    Kobayashi – 18
    di Resta – 15
    Schumacher – 15
    Hulkenberg – 13
    Maldonado – 12
    Senna – 7
    Vergne – 3

  • Profile picture of raymondu999 raymondu999 said 6 months, 3 weeks ago:

    Post-India, in 2009 points

    Vettel – 98
    Alonso – 92
    Raikkonen – 69
    Hamilton – 66
    Webber – 66
    Button – 57
    Rosberg – 36
    Grosjean – 35
    Massa – 34
    Perez – 26
    Kobayashi – 18
    di Resta – 15
    Schumacher – 15
    Hulkenberg – 14
    Maldonado – 12
    Senna – 7
    Vergne – 3

    In old points, Hamilton and Webber are knocked out, which they’re not in the current system (yet). Raikkonen is hanging by a thread (a point)

  • Profile picture of raymondu999 raymondu999 said 6 months, 2 weeks ago:

    Post-Abu Dhabi, in 2009 points

    Vettel – 104
    Alonso – 100
    Raikkonen – 79
    Hamilton – 66
    Webber – 66
    Button – 62
    Rosberg – 36
    Grosjean – 35
    Massa – 36
    Perez – 26
    Kobayashi – 21
    di Resta – 15
    Schumacher – 15
    Hulkenberg – 14
    Maldonado – 16
    Senna – 8
    Vergne – 3

  • Profile picture of the_sigman the_sigman said 6 months, 2 weeks ago:

    Post Abu Dhabi is what you mean.

  • Profile picture of Ben Ben said 6 months, 2 weeks ago:

    Alonso still 40% of a win behind Vettel

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