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2012 championship, 2009 points

This topic contains 56 replies, has 17 voices, and was last updated by Avatar of Journeyer Journeyer 1 year, 9 months ago.

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  • #201763
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    raymondu999
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    I do indeed! Thanks @sigman1998

    #201764
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    raymondu999
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    Vettel – 112
    Alonso – 106
    Raikkonen – 82
    Hamilton – 76
    Webber – 66
    Button – 66
    Massa – 41
    Grosjean – 37
    Rosberg – 36
    Perez – 26
    Kobayashi – 21
    Maldonado – 16
    di Resta – 15
    Schumacher – 15
    Hulkenberg – 15
    Senna – 8
    Vergne – 3

    #201765
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    raymondu999
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    Brazil. Vettel takes it by ONE point

    Vettel – 115
    Alonso – 114
    Raikkonen – 82
    Hamilton – 76
    Button – 76
    Webber – 71
    Massa – 47
    Grosjean – 37
    Rosberg – 36
    Perez – 26
    Kobayashi – 21
    Hulkenberg – 19
    Schumacher – 17
    Maldonado – 16
    di Resta – 15
    Senna – 8
    Vergne – 4

    #201766
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    @raymondu999 So the points system didn’t do anything for the title battle? Intriguing to see that even in old money, 7th would’ve been enough for Vettel to be champ (albeit on tiebreak).

    #201767
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    raymondu999
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    @Journeyer on that note, I did (before the race, of course) the old money permutations:

    Old points
    Vettel – 112
    Alonso – 106

    Same rules apply as above (if they end up same score, then Vettel becomes champion). Interestingly in old money Vettel is a lot closer to the title.

    In OLD MONEY, in order for Alonso to be the 2012 champion, Alonso MUST FINISH IN THE TOP 2, and Vettel MUST FINISH OUTSIDE OF THE TOP 5

    Vettel will be champion if:
    - Vettel finishes in the top 5
    - Vettel finishes P6-P7, Alonso finishes P2 or lower
    - Vettel finishes P8 or lower, Alonso finishes P3 or lower

    Alonso will be champion if:
    - Alonso wins, Vettel finshes P6 or lower
    - Alonso finishes P2, Vettel finishes P8 or lower

    #201768
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    I did the final tallies in 10-6-4 money, giving us:

    Vettel 91
    Alonso 86
    Hamilton 59
    Button 59
    Webber 49
    Raikkonen 49
    Massa 26
    Rosberg 22
    Grosjean 19
    Perez 17
    Kobayashi 11
    Maldonado 10
    Hulkenberg 8
    Schumacher 5
    di Resta 5
    Senna 1

    Red Bull 140
    McLaren 118
    Ferrari 112
    Lotus 68
    Sauber 28
    Mercedes 27
    Force India 13
    Williams 11

    #201769
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    lazyracer
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    With the old point system, Sauber overtakes Mercedes! handsome

    #201770
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    @journeyer Even more intriguingly, with the 1991-2002 point system, Vettel would have won the championship at the COTA with 90 points to 80 and winning the tie-break with 5 wins to 3.

    This is probably the first time that good old point system failed compared to either of the new ones. It could still be regarded highly, because it favoured the winner like no other did afterwards, not even the current one.

    I also liked the old rule of having a bonus point for pole and FLAP. NASCAR still uses a bonus point system and it does create interesting strategies. It also includes awards for leading a lap and the most laps led, which also increases competition at the front.

    #201771
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    mnmracer
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    I also liked the old rule of having a bonus point for pole and FLAP.

    You don’t like Rocky much do you?
    He’s got a hard enough time already trying to slow Vettel down. :lol:

    #201772
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    the_sigman
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    @atticus-2 I like your idea about points for pole and fastest lap, as much as I like the power stage in WRC. It is fantastic.

    #201773
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    Atticus
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    @mnmracer Nah, I think it would be a good idea really. As much as it would have increased Vettel’s advantage this year (I’m an Alonso fan), generally, I think it would make for some interesting strategy as I said.

    For example, if there is little difference between the two tyre types, and a quick driver is outside the points, or the best he can achieve is 10th, he could still manage to put the fresher and softer compound on later than other, otherwise a bit even quicker guys, and thus can try to secure a FLAP for an extra point.

    In another scenario, now it is obvious that an undercut almost always means advantage, apart from the case if you need to do an extra pit stop because of it. A bonus point for a lap led would make for an incentive for the pursuing driver to stay out longer, particularly if he has no or minimal chance to catch the leader.

    Etc.

    I think these things would be good for racing.

    #201774
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    @atticus-2 Actually, the first year the 10-8 system was used (2003), Schumi would’ve clinched the title in Indy under the 10-6 system. But Kimi’s consistency was better rewarded under 10-8, and the championship was extended (only just) to Suzuka.

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