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2013 F1 driver rankings by the world’s media

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  • #245855
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    mnmracer
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    Auto Motor und Sport – race rating average
    1. Sebastian Vettel – 8.95
    2. Fernando Alonso – 7.79
    3. Mark Webber – 7.53
    4. Nico Hülkenberg – 7.47
    4. Kimi Räikkönen – 7.47
    6. Nico Rosberg – 7.37
    7. Lewis Hamilton – 7.21
    8. Adrian Sutil – 6.68
    9. Romain Grosjean – 6.63
    10. Jenson Button – 6.47

    #245856
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    matt90
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    I’m amazed to see Webber so high.

    #245857
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    mnmracer
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    Autosport – race rating average
    1. Sebastian Vettel – 8.58
    2. Fernando Alonso – 8.05
    3. Nico Hülkenberg – 7.79
    4. Kimi Räikkönen – 7.65
    5. Lewis Hamilton – 7.47
    6. Nico Rosberg – 7.37
    7. Romain Grosjean – 7.26
    8. Mark Webber – 7.11
    9. Jenson Button – 7.05
    10. Paul di Resta – 7.00

    #245858
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    Kingshark
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    The list from Autosport posted by mnmracer is pretty much spot-on.

    Guardians is laughable. Understandable that Alonso this season has not been as good as he was in 2012, but worse than Chilton? Absurd.

    #245859
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    Girts
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    I think Guardian’s list is based purely on expectations and how the drivers fulfilled them. That’s the only sensible explanation. Alonso was widely expected to win the world championship this year, while Chilton was expected to be hopeless so the rankings probably make sense from that point of view. Whether that is a good way to evaluate drivers’ performances is another question.

    #245860
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    Aled Davies
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    @girts “chilton was expected to be hopeless”

    he was, wasn’t he?

    #245861
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    Iestyn Davies
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    Aside from the Chilton rating (putting him last, I can quite agree with most of the list. I think it deals with expectations and also what would happen if everyone was in an equal car), given as he finished every race (but pointed out here on F1F that he still did less laps than Vettel, Button and Perez!), which is a bit gracious (and probably nationalistic) – he caused a huge accident in Monaco for Maldonado and Bianchi, which is the only way he didn’t finish last there, and has basically not beaten his team mate on pace once all season. Even Maldonado did OK earlier in the year to score a point, so the list is a little ‘last 3 races, as far back as you can remember’.

    But times do change quickly in F1, so it’s a very F1 list in that respect. At the tyre change, di Resta looked good, ahead of the McLarens, while Hulk grasped a few points from a bad car package (4th slowest vs. 5th quickest). Now it’s totally flipped, with Di Resta looking out of F1, and Hulk staying in (finally getting paid his 2012 money by FI?).

    I think the Auto Motor und Sport one is a little German-centric, putting Webber higher up (RB) and Sutil in the top 10, but both Di Resta and Sutil were unlucky not to have more points finishes pre-tyre change (Malaysia pit stop snafu). But Sutil has been beaten by Paul handily on the revised tyres (despite Paul spinning off 3x in a row and ditching good points in Singapore), which doesn’t bode well for next year. You could say the same about the Autosport list (slightly British-centric), but I believe it’s backed up more by the facts.

    The best indicator of performance is beating your team mate, and team mate comparison – so stand-outs are: Vettel, Alonso, Hulkenberg, Raikkonen (but lately Grosjean), Hamilton, Button, Bianchi, Bottas, Di Resta, Ricciardo, perhaps now VDG over Pic; while the beaten tier includes: Rosberg, Webber, Massa, Perez, Sutil, Vergne, Maldonado, Gutierrez, Pic, Chilton. Points don’t lie (for the most part). Some guys have come on strong at the end of the year, finally comfortable/up to speed, e.g. Bottas, VDG, while others have gone comparatively backwards, e.g. Pic, Maldonado or Sutil. It’s probably best to do a list for both 2013 tyres and 2012 revision spec.

    #245862
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    @aledinho Well, that’s the point – Chilton didn’t exceed the expectations but he didn’t perform worse than expected either. Nothing suggests that Chilton belongs in F1, he wouldn’t be here on merit. He was practically always off the pace of his team mate, who was a rookie as well. At the same time, he made some progress during the season and managed to keep the car off the wall. Nothing surprising, while Alonso’s performances might be seen as slightly disappointing, compared to the wonders he did in 2012.

    Yes, that is a strange way of measuring drivers’ performances but Guardian kind of admit it themselves by calling these rankings “alternative” and the question they ask is “Which of the other big stars in F1 really performed as well as they could have this season?”

    #245863
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    “I think the Auto Motor und Sport one is a little German-centric, putting Webber higher up (RB) and Sutil in the top 10″

    Why would being German-centric affect the placement of Webber? Red Bull are Austrian, not German.

    #245864
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    The autosport ratings are very good, Di Resta is the only one I’m not sure on, he had a great start to the season but he also had some unforced DNFs. I’d probably put Bianchi in his place.

    #245865
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    The Autosport rankings are a much better reflection of the season I have to say. But the Guardian’s…oh dear. I’m a fan of Bottas’ and he did a great job with what he had but he certainly wasn’t the fifth best drover out there. Chilton ahead of Alonso is laughable. I’d probably stick Bianchi in the top 10 though, probably in 10th if I was feeling generous.

    Go home Guardian, you are drunk.

    #245866
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    Quite interesting though, to come up with a list based solely on whether a driver lived up to the expectations prior to the season. That would mean that Massa is higher on my list than Alonso :)

    That list would be something like this (based on personal expectations):
    Highs: Grosjean, Rosberg, Vettel, Vd Garde
    Lows: Alonso, Maldonado, Pérez, Sutil

    #245867
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    Lucas Wilson
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    Like that idea

    Bar Alonso on the ‘low’ side of your list I agree with your summary.

    #245868
    Avatar of Girts
    Girts
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    @matthijs You are absolutely right. But actually it’s not the only example where someone thinks along these lines. For example, many F1 Fanatics put Pic ahead of Glock after the first half of 2012 just because the rookie had fared surprisingly well against his experienced team mate (but Pic still had performed worse than Glock). Paul Weaver seems to have gone to extremes though.

    I don’t think it was a good idea to set such criteria for evaluating drivers. If you look at the comments on The Guardian’s website, “this is ridiculous” and “this comment has been removed” are practically the only reactions. If the author (or the newspaper) aimed to draw attention to themselves and cause a furore, then they hit the target. Otherwise they should have clearly separated “surprises of the year” from “drivers of the year”.

    #245869
    Avatar of mnmracer
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    Sky Sports F1 (drivers grouped by grade)
    1. Sebastian Vettel – 10
    2. Romain Grosjean & Nico Hülkenberg – 9
    4. Fernando Alonso, Kimi Räikkönen, Nico Roberg & Lewis Hamilton – 8
    8. Jenson Button, Paul di Resta, Daniel Ricciardo & Jules Bianchi – 7

    http://www1.skysports.com/f1/news/22058/9043359/driver-by-driver-2013-season-review

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