Are we seeing a Vettel era?
12th September 2011, 8:54 at 8:54 am #130061
Hey folks. Just thinking; the RB8+Vettel package is very successful this year; and incredibly dominant with a very healthy lead in the title chase. Or the title getaway; you might say. Do you folks think we might see a repeat of the domination of the Schumi-Ferrari years?
Michael Schumacher in 2002 was the last driver to get points in all races in the year; and Vettel is on track to take that record up as well. He also could potentially, after this year, beat the record for number of podiums in a year (I think).
What do you all think, and why?12th September 2011, 9:04 at 9:04 am #178067
no, not just yet… If RBR are dominant next year, I’ll agree with you but this is too soon. And IF RBR can do it every year, then I’m certain that Vettel will win every time! We’ve seen in the past that RBR are unreliable. They need to keep the car from this year cause it’s strong everywhere and it’s reliable. Remember that seb could’ve wone the championship along time ago without those DNF’s in 2010…
Unfortunatly it doesn’t depent on the driver alone…12th September 2011, 9:11 at 9:11 am #178068
I hope we don’t end up with driver domination… The Shumacher – Ferrari Era was really boring, for the most part.
The Red Bull will still be strong next year, we have to wait untill the next big change in aero regulations before we can be sure of a reshuffle.
Any fall from grace that Red Bull has in the coming years is going to be because of other teams catching up, not because Red Bull makes a duff car.12th September 2011, 9:41 at 9:41 am #178069
Not yet but it is possible!
I don’t think Redbull will be as dominant next year without the blown diffusers!12th September 2011, 9:49 at 9:49 am #178070
No wonder he is winning if he is driving next years car!:
the RB8+Vettel package is very successful this year
ha. Anyway I think we might be seeing the beginning of a Vettel era, but as much as I like him and think he is one of the best if not the best driver at this current moment in time, I really don’t want to see it. The early 2000’s were for many people such a dire time in the sports history, noone wanted to tune in to see Schumacher romp away to race victory after race victory. The only saving grace about this year has been the fact that the battles from 2nd onwards have been awesome and probably the best racing we have seen for a very long time.
I don’t think Redbull will be as dominant next year without the blown diffusers!
I think we saw a taster of next year at Silverstone this year when it was banned. Red Bull were still quick but not as dominant maybe. I think it showed more about McLaren’s car rather than Red Bull. McLaren and Ferrari really need to pull out something special next year and from the off as well otherwise we are in for more and more Vettel wins.12th September 2011, 9:57 at 9:57 am #178071
Well for me (vettelfan) I would like to see that domination for the next few years. But as Zadak said, with teams catching up, you never know. I hope Adrian Newey has still some great ideas left in his mind. However, if what Zadak says is true, then that would be the greatest news I’ve ever heard in a while.
Here’s what frightens me. Vettel’s season has in fact been in the clouds with such a beautifull sight for so long now that I’m affraid that he won’t be able to have such a good season ever again because of the car not being so dominant anymore. That’s why I’m enjoying this season as much as I can…12th September 2011, 10:05 at 10:05 am #178072
I don’t get how anyone can want a period where a driver dominates, unless you are completely blind to every other driver. I think it makes the racing so dull if you have the same winner, as I said above we have been blessed with great racing further down the field but the excitement of that can only last so long surely.12th September 2011, 10:59 at 10:59 am #178073
Are we seeing a Vettel era?
Yes.12th September 2011, 11:09 at 11:09 am #178074
@smifaye Yeah it is not the best for the sport, but this year they have only had a few dominant wins. I will say that the racing IS very close, also at the front (well okay Monza was outright ridiculous, but at least it came unexpected, and it was a great drive). RB and Vettel just have the consistency that the others don’t manage to have that they end up dominating the championship.
Spain and Monaco for instance was incredibly close finishes and even though Vettel won both they were very exciting! So i don’t think it is nearly as bad as in the Schumi + Ferrari in the early 2000’s.12th September 2011, 11:27 at 11:27 am #178075
If I were a Vettel supporter right now I’d be worried about the lesson of Alonso: two championships back-to-back, the second more impressive than the first and then…we’re still waiting. Vettel may not have a 2007 Hamilton for a team-mate next year (Ricciardo looms for 2013 though, if he’s any good…) but if the cars are more equal he’ll be in a similar situation, fighting against 2-3 other drivers for results. He may still win, or he may lose out. Of course I don’t expect either Vettel to quit Red Bull in a huff or Red Bull’s performance to plunge from 2013 onwards with Vettel having to wait until 2015 to go to Ferrari/McLaren (assuming they’re still at the top too!), but talk of domination is definitely premature. We sort of stand similar to where we were in 2001; we could go on to have a 2002 season or a 2003 season and we won’t know which until into next year.12th September 2011, 11:55 at 11:55 am #178076
If Red Bull aren’t strong next year, I’ll be very surprised. There are no big regulation changes for next season, except for the ban on OTBDs- but that didn’t slow them down much at Silverstone. Whereas Ferrari and McLaren have to go away and design a brand new car for 2012, Red Bull only has to improve on their current package. Put shortly, Vettel winning a third Championship in as many years is a very real possibility, and I for one would love to see that.
There are only two drivers on the grid who are capable of producing a Schumacher-esque dominance: Sebastian Vettel and Fernando Alonso. However the latter a full 6 years older than Vettel, and Ferrari are going to have to improve very quickly if Fernando is ever going to win his third WDC. Red Bull are so dominant right now that even if they drop down a notch or two next season, they’ll still be right up at the front.12th September 2011, 13:51 at 1:51 pm #178077
I don’t see why McLaren and Ferrari has to design a brand new car to be honest. McLaren need a bit of new rear-end philosophy as their rear this year is downforce-deficient; but I don’t see why they should come up with a completely new car. Yes; the u-pods still can be used next year.12th September 2011, 15:31 at 3:31 pm #178078
@vettels, I do hope Vettel can go for his 3rd championship. And like mads said, this isn’t as dominant as schumacher. Ok if Seb gets pole everywhere and wins every race, then it would be dominant and boring. Even for the Vettelfans because they want to see how he overtakes and how quick he is. That move on Alonso was too risky but you gotta admit, it was so goddamn entertaining for the viewers
@raymondu, nah, the U sidepods are too ugly :p but then again that’s my opinion. Anyway, maybe they should think of an upgrade too with MUCH more downforce…12th September 2011, 15:54 at 3:54 pm #178079
@phil – a pretty car does not a fast car make. The U-pods; like it or not, is a philosophy they started with the MP4-25. It sends the air over the side pods to feed the rear beam wing. With the exhaust rules for next year it will be interesting to see what they can do with the U-pods. There is already talk that they could position the U-pods on the trailing (rear) end of the outside “raised” bits of the side pods; to form an air skirt to help energize the air coming through the U-channel ever so slightly12th September 2011, 17:15 at 5:15 pm #178080
Just you wait, next year Williams will return to their ’92-’93 form and Maldonado will win every race and the championship!
Back in the real world, it’s possible Vettel could win a few more on the trot, but I’d say Vettel’s challengers are a lot stronger than Schumi’s. I think it depends on whether McLaren or Ferrari can pull a stonker out of the bag, of course you then have to think how likely that is, and on recent form the answer is not very.
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