BBC’s Top 20 F1 drivers ever (list) (365 posts)

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  • Profile picture of Kingshark Kingshark said 1 year ago:

    Senna only came to greatness when Prost started to decline. We can only guess what 1986 Prost would’ve done against 1991 Senna. If you ask me, Senna would be slightly faster, although Prost would definitely won over a season’s course.

  • Profile picture of xjr15jaaag xjr15jaaag said 1 year ago:

    My top 20:
    Jim Clark
    Juan-Manuel Fangio
    Michael Schumacher
    Jackie Stewart
    Keke Rosberg
    Jack Brabham
    Emerson Fittipaldi
    Mika Hakkinen
    Alain Prost
    Ayrton Senna
    Gilles Villeneuve
    Jochen Rindt
    Mario Andretti
    Graham Hill
    Nelson Piquet Snr
    Nigel Mansell
    Niki Lauda
    Alberto Ascari
    Kimi Raikkonen

    (If you give Vettel and hamilton more time, then I think they could be in the top 10 eventually, but they should have another few seasons before I consider them to be one of the all-time greats. They have done some great drives, but I dont think they can match the likes of Clark, Fangio or Rosberg yet)

  • Profile picture of Rob Myers Rob Myers said 1 year ago:

    Senna was the greatest driver of all time simply because he was the fastest. He provided emotional context and panache to a sport that at times can be clinical and elitist. Senna’s passion and driving has never been rivalled nor matched and only the echoes of Hamilton’s on the edge, balls out swashbuckling qualifying laps come even slightly close to the thrill that is watching Senna rag a car to it’s absolute limit.

    http://fernandoisfasterthanyou.blogspot.co.uk/

  • Profile picture of CarnivorousPope CarnivorousPope said 1 year ago:

    Lewis being 15th surprised me. I thought he would have been a lot higher but I am thankful he is not just put high up because he is English and it’s good to see Murray isn’t being too biased yet we will still have to see if his man crush for Damon Hill puts him up there.

  • Profile picture of Dizzy-A Dizzy-A said 1 year ago:

    @robertj20 – How about Clark? He basically either won by miles or had his car break down. There’s just no real way of telling who is the fastest ever.

  • Profile picture of Keith Collantine Keith Collantine said 1 year ago:

    When people do this sort of article I always think you’re on dodgy ground including current drivers. It instantly dates whatever you’re writing.

    If I was going to do something like this I’d prefer just to stick to drivers who’d left the sport so you could view their careers in full. Of course even that isn’t a perfect solution, considering Raikkonen and Schumacher’s recent comebacks.

  • Profile picture of Kingshark Kingshark said 1 year ago:

    Lewis Hamilton is #15

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/18096591

    Senna was the greatest driver of all time simply because he was the fastest.

    That itself devaluates the rest of your comment, as you make nothing but a huge assumption to begin with.

  • Profile picture of Alehud42 Alehud42 said 12 months ago:

    I agree that they shouldn’t include current drivers, especially as the countdown is being done in-season.
    However, #15 seems fair for Lewis.

  • Profile picture of Kingshark Kingshark said 12 months ago:

    He shouldn’t have been ahead of the likes of Piquet, Brabham, or Fittipaldi. Certainly not this early in his career.

  • Profile picture of matt90 matt90 said 12 months ago:

    Also, I assume that means he beat Raikkonen into the list (as the other 3 current driver are surely Vettel, Alonso and Schumacher), which I’m not sure is fair. Hamilton is a great driver, perhaps better than Raikkonen at this particular time, but in the context of what they’ve achieved and how good they’ve been during their careers so far, I’d put Raikkonen higher every time. Hamilton has had 2 really good years- 2007 and 2010. 2008 he had some outstanding drives but bad lows. 2009 was generally fairly good.

    Raikkonen though was great in 2003, 2005 and 2007, and although he was accused of being unmotivated in 2009 he still did well in a car that was hardly spectacular.

    Of course I might be completely wrong and Raikkonen will beat Vettel, which could be fair- Vettel last year was phenomenal, 2010 was pretty great, 200 he was solid, and 2008 he was pretty special. In terms of number of special performances they’re probably fairly similar, although Vettel has obviously done more/as much in a shorter time. How that is compared to Raikkonen, who knows.

  • Profile picture of Kingshark Kingshark said 12 months ago:

    Alonso, Vettel, and Schumacher are the remaining three. The #22 and #23 OP was talking about, has to be Raikkonen and Button in whichever order you’d like.

    About Kimi – Let’s say Raikkonen’s engine never blew up when he was leading at Europe 2003. He won and Schumacher finished 6th. This would secure Raikkonen the 2003 championship by a convincing 9 points.
    In 2005, his car failed him trice when he was leading at San Marino, Europe, and Germany. Not to mention how many engine-change related penalties he got throughout the season (which I won’t include, too much guesswork). Without these consistent car failures he would have been champion that season as well; beating Alonso by a solid 15 points.

    How high do you think Raikkonen would be ranked, had he been champion in 2003 and 2005, as well as 2007? He would be regarded as a triple world champion who spend less than a decade in the sport. In my opinion, he would be rated between places 5-12.

  • Profile picture of Todfod Todfod said 12 months ago:

    @Kingshark . I agree with your assessment of Kimi’s championship wins in 2003 and 2005, as he definitely got unlucky to lose it due to mechanical failures. But to be honest, he was lucky to take the championship in 2007, it was either Hamilton’s or Alonso’s year that was ruined by their own inter team rivalry.

    I would rate Kimi much higher than the expected #22 or #23… maybe at around #12 or #13.

  • Profile picture of Kingshark Kingshark said 12 months ago:

    @Todfod
    Kimi was certainly not lucky in 2007. Mechanical failures in Spain and Germany when he was set for a podium. Ferrari’s strategic fail at Japan. If anything, he had his misfortunes while the Mclaren was bulletproof.

  • Profile picture of Pamphlet Pamphlet said 12 months ago:

    @kingshark – I’m pretty sure the 2007 no-misfortune thing confirmed that Kimi was the unluckiest of the championship contenders, with only Massa losing out more than him (MAS -17, RAI -12, HAM -10, ALO +4).

  • Profile picture of F1Yankee F1Yankee said 12 months ago:

    hamilton the 15th greatest ever while graham hill barely squeaks onto the list? that’s like saying jeremy clarkson is better than david attenborough, or that angry birds is better than chess. popular with the young people, but young people tend to be stupid.

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