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Stephen Jones said 2 years, 4 months ago:

one more for barrichello.. sure he isn’t the fastest, but think what he would’ve done had schumacher not been at ferrari..

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Asanator said 2 years, 4 months ago:

lol @ SW6569, yes whilst that is true, only 8 cars finished and Panis was 2nd in the Ligier and Morbidelli 3rd in a Footwork for Christs sake!!!

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Scribe said 2 years, 4 months ago:

1. Moss
2. Villenureve.
3. McLaren

Accusations of bias to the usual adress.

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Tom L. said 2 years, 4 months ago:

Asanator – I was going to point that out, then thought about it a bit more and realised it was still quite an impressive achievement; 2 laps is a lot, even taking into account the few drivers who were still in the race! Panis and Ligier were no slouches, and there were other cars such as Blundell’s McLaren and Frentzen’s Sauber, who were even further behind, who based on the quality of their cars, could have been closer in different circumstances.

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Keith Collantine said 2 years, 4 months ago:

Panis’s Ligier had lost a cylinder, hadn’t it?

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Tom L. said 2 years, 4 months ago:

I believe so, it certainly had some gremlin. But being 2 laps ahead of everyone else is the kind of result I associate with the first few decades of F1, not the 90s. I’m not claiming it was one of the all-time great drives, I’m not even a Hill fan – I was going to point out, as Asanator did, that the results flattered Hill somewhat, then having read about the race I decided that it was nevertheless an impressive achievement, what with the track conditions.

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Asanator said 2 years, 4 months ago:

Hi Tom, Whilst geting to the end of the race was no doubt an achievement it itself, Panis had lost a cylinder and even in full working order qualified 2 seconds down on Hill! Blundell was yes in the McLaren, but it was a dog that year and Hakkinen had almost died in Qualifying and was in Hospital fighting for his life, I don’t think their mind was really on the job!

Yes he had lapped what remained of the field twice, but his car was far superior to anything else on the circuit (certainly by the end of the race). I don’t think it was much of an achievement by Hill, more of circumstance and relative car performance.

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jihelle said 2 years, 4 months ago:

@pseudohendrix. Yes Peterson was a great driver but he always managed to have a “better” driver in his team whether be Fittipaldi or Andretti. And he was trounced by Depailler in 1977 when with Tyrrell (with the six wheeler I agree which was not suited to his style of driving). As much as I admired Peterson in my younger days, as much I realize now that he was no World Champion stuff.

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pseudohendrix said 2 years, 4 months ago:

I would dispute the assertion that both Fittipaldi and Andretti were better than Peterson. Fittipaldi certainly had the edge in certain areas at that stage in Peterson’s career but Peterson was still improving. There is also the ‘number one and two driver’ factor at play, Ronnie didn’t always have the same equipment as Andretti and Fittipaldi and was discouraged from challenging them. The frustration with Chapman over this was the reason he left Lotus in the first place. I guess it was another case of the team assuming that he would have his chance later on. Saying Andretti was better than Peterson is a bit like saying Scheckter was better than Villeneuve. Neither Villeneuve or Peterson ever got a proper shot at the title with a top car and a team backing them 100%.

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jihelle said 2 years, 4 months ago:

You’re right in some ways. But becoming a World Champion also implies building a strong relationship with the team which Peterson never managed to do. He left Lotus for March (!!??) at the start of the 1976 season then came back to Lotus in 1978 when Andretti was by then well established with the team. It is also true that he — like Vlleneuve — could drive your mother’s groceries cart at unbelievable speeds but was notoriously bad at developping a new car hence his miserable years at Lotus with the 76 and the 77. These two cars were certainly not very good but Andretti managed fairly well with the 77 in 1976 with a win in Japan and two other podiums. Once again, I was in awe while watching Peterson driving in the 70′s, all opposite lock and stuff, but no, he was no world champion material.

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Icthyes said 2 years, 3 months ago:

Half an hour early, results day is here! I was a little liberal with some of the rankings when someone only mentioned one choice or no specific order and just took them as first come, first placed. I don’t think it really affects the outcome anyway. So here we go:

Round 1 – first-choice votes only
Moss: 18
Gilles: 13
Montoya: 2
Rubens, Alesi, Pironi and von Trips: 1

Moss almost wins first round out with 18 out of 37 votes, just one shy of a majority.

Round 2 – top three go through, second-choice votes allocated
Moss: 27
Gilles: 22
Montoya: 3

Moss wins with 27 of the 52 votes and is the unofficial f1fanatic Bridesmaid of Bridesmaid! if it had gone to the final round however, Moss would have won by 30 votes to Villeneuve’s 29, so a very close contest.

Some notes:
1) Moss, Villeneuve and Ickx in any combination was by far the most popular choice.
2) Ickx was a very popular 3rd choice, getting seven votes to only 4 2nd-choice votes but no 1st-choice picks.
3) Wolfgang von Trips was also popular with four 3rd-choice votes as well as two 2nds and a 1st
4) Massa was the most popular driver of recent times with four votes, but no 1st-choice votes, which Montoya would have won on had it been restricted to the last ten years.

I expected Moss to win but surprised how close Villeneuve gave him a run for his money. Early on in the tallying it looked like Villeneuve would beat Moss, then Stirling made a charge but Gilles also made a late comeback in the votes.

Edit: it took me so long to do with distractions that the half hour passed…

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Ned Flanders said 2 years, 3 months ago:

It’s been so long since this thing started that I’d kind of forgotten about it! But, congratulations to Moss, at least this is one prize he’s been able to win!

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JCCJCC said 2 years, 3 months ago:

1 – Moss
2 – Reutemann
3 – Villeneuve

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