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  • Profile picture of Prisoner Monkeys Prisoner Monkeys said 2 years, 11 months ago:

    Oh, God. Another Kimi fan has found us. It’s my experience that they will do or say anything to create a scenario whereby Raikkonen will return to Formula 1 and step into a championship-worthy car. Well, I’ve got news for you, Mr. mjpowell – Button is under contract with McLaren until the end of 2012. He’s won two races (McLaren’s first two of the season, I might add) and every time he has finished a race, he has finished in the points.

    In short, he’s not going anywhere.

  • Profile picture of Fixy Fixy said 2 years, 7 months ago:

    3 months are passed. Someone changed idea? I think he’ll remain next year. He has been beaten by Lewis but he’s still 5th in the WDC and just lost it with one race to go.

  • Profile picture of Prisoner Monkeys Prisoner Monkeys said 2 years, 7 months ago:

    Like I said, he’s under contract until 2012. And he got two race wins before Hamilton got any this season.

  • Profile picture of nik nik said 2 years, 7 months ago:

    Button is good and will stay

    Kimi had a chance at a good drive but was greedy for money – he is never coming back and good riddance to him (he can sit at home and count his cash)

    McLaren would be absolutely bonkers to drop Mercedes or not renew the deal – best engine by a mile, they have a great deal and it is worth a lot of money

    But why would they drop Button because of money only to then hire the most expensive F1 driver ever?

  • Profile picture of Scribe Scribe said 2 years, 7 months ago:

    Button will remain but he won’t challenge for any more titles by the looks of things. Ah well, so long as McLaren don’t skew the construction of the next car to suit his needs.

  • Profile picture of thespuditron thespuditron said 2 years, 7 months ago:

    Button has done a fine job in my opinion.

    There is no shame is going out of the title fight, having left the team that made him champion in the first place, joined a team that supposedly is built around Hamilton, winning two races, lead the championship at one point.

    In Monaco he went out due to an unfortunate error by one of his mechanics and while minding his own business in Spa, he was taken out by Vettel and his flexi wing.

    I appreciate these are big if’s but IF he had finished those races, who know’s, he might have been still there in the hunt.

    I am not a Jenson Button fan by a long shot, but he has carried himself very well during his championship year and all this year aswell. He deserves the success he is getting right now and Mclaren would be foolish to let him leave which, as Prisoner Monkeys has already pointed out here, will not happen at least until the end of 2012.

    Good luck to him. :)

  • Profile picture of Icthyes Icthyes said 2 years, 7 months ago:

    Next year just might be Button’s again, if McLaren can design a decent car. I say this because Pirelli’s tyres are thought to produce understeer, which will favour Button.

  • Profile picture of Alexi Alexi said 2 years, 7 months ago:

    Aren’t Pirelli’s tyres for F1 next year supposed to eliminate the high speed understeer that has plagued this entire season? Besides, Bernie and the others wanted them to be slower than Bridgestone tyres for safety reasons and understeer usually goes around faster at high speed circuits.

  • Profile picture of Deleted User said 2 years, 7 months ago:

    Button’s had a good year I think. He’s generally been outpaced but even Stewart seemed envious of the style in which JB won at Australia. I was impressed with him at Monza too; he made the right choices and no mistakes that weekend unlike his teammate and was pretty quick and so nearly won. He did do a great qualifying at Suzuka considering the compound he was on it’s just he went the wrong way with strategy.

    There doesn’t seem to be any other driver that’s available on the grid who’d really be a much better prospect than Button so he should stay. The only one who might be worth a shot is Kubica but he’s quite a fussy driver too and not as smart as Jenson. Lewis and Jense have a great relationship, on his day Button can be great and he’s wonderful at picking up points and generally keeping out of trouble.

  • Profile picture of thespuditron thespuditron said 2 years, 7 months ago:

    I was impressed with him at Monza too

    Me too. That was a brave decision that very nearly paid off. That showed very well, how good their F duct was/is. It’s also another reason why I have grown to like Jenson as a driver. I have never seen anyone since I started watching F1 go with such a different approach at Monza which usually has the default tea tray rear wing set up.

    It’s a pity we didn’t get to compare Jenson and Lewis during that race. It would have been very interesting.

  • Profile picture of sw6569 sw6569 said 2 years, 7 months ago:

    I think the thing with Button that i’ve admired is that he has made very few mistakes. He might have been slow on occasion but has very rarely made an actual mistake. Off the top of my head I can’t think of any – but please correct me if i’m wrong.

    He has approached this season very tactically, and its paid off. The reason the two failures at spa and monaco are so striking for Button is that one gets the feeling in both cases he could have bought the car home to get some solid, if unspectacular points. Which would have put him right in the title fight.

    Buttons biggest problem this year is that the tyres have been too durable. This has negated his ability to keep them in check for some races – or when he has been able to eek out more performance from them, this comes at the later stage of the race where it is more traditional to hold station than push.

    Definitely done more than enough to keep him at McLaren next year and, dare I say it, this year has really cemented that he deserved his championship last year. He’s matched Hamilton in points pretty much and often on the track too in a team that everyone would probably agree ‘emotionally’ supports Hamilton. (though that was more at the beginning than end of the season, the pairing are actually really great together)

  • Profile picture of Hairs Hairs said 2 years, 7 months ago:

    Button’s had a much better year than people expected him to. He’s beaten Lewis outright for pace on occasion, he’s been the cleverer and more reliable driver most of the time, and he’s been a stand up man for the team. I think that most people would say that Lewis has better raw speed than he does, but Lewis also has better raw speed than just about every driver on the grid, so I don’t see that as a damning factor against him.

    Given that he’s a new driver in the team, that Nick Fry’s petty behaviour stopped him coming into the team when the car design was still being finalised and developed (to the point where he still wasn’t fitting into it properly at the first race), that he’s had at least 3 different race engineers, and that the McLaren has been a gripless car that doesn’t like the bumps (even Lewis has been complaining of lack of grip), I think he’s done a solid job.

    My criticism of him would be that on the occasions when he’s been off the pace, or Lewis has had the run on him, he’s been far too comfortable about that fact and hasn’t been pushing hard enough.

    Interestingly, Button has always complained about lack of grip and heat in the tyres. I wonder if Ferrari, who have always had excellent mechanical grip, might make a better team for him? Of course, with Alonso there, Ferrari is a bad team for any driver not called Alonso.

  • Profile picture of Icthyes Icthyes said 2 years, 7 months ago:

    Remember my 14-3 stat? It’s now 15-3 to Hamilton. At the end of the race or the time when one of them retired/had a problem, Button has only beaten Hamilton 3 times. I’m still shocked, I thought Button would win three races this year but never because they were the only times he was ahead of his team-mate (well he didn’t win Monza, but he nearly did).

    Still, Button is only 23 points behind, which is pretty decent going. But when you consider he’s lost – let’s be generous and say he would have finished 6th in Monaco, but he was never going to keep second in Belgium – 23 points to events outside of his control whereas Hamilton has lost at least 30 if not 42 points (if, like me, you see Singapore as bad luck, considering what you would have expected to happen), that gap is 7 points “too small” (of course, retirements are part and parcel of F1). Add into the fact that Hamilton’s retirements ad car problems elevated Button into getting 6/8 more points than he would have, it starts looking even worse. If you want to play the “should” game, Button’s “real” deficit could be as much as 58 points. I don’t usually play the “should” game because if a car is good enough to make you first than it’s good enough if it lets you down sometimes. But when comparing team-mates, it’s a little more valid.

    Still, over a total of 450 possible points, even 58 isn’t a bad margin. This year has just confirmed what we always knew: Jenson is a very good driver, but he needs the car to be able to show it off. Had he been at Red Bull I firmly believe he would be world champion again.

  • Profile picture of Todfod Todfod said 2 years, 7 months ago:

    Personally, I’m not a Button fan. But I think he should be able to retain his Mclaren seat with ease. Mclaren do not want two superfast stars in their team, as it could result in another 2007 season. Jenson obviously lacks the talent that the top 4 or 5 drivers on the grid possess, and Mclaren are fine with that. He still scored more points that many people predicted, and at the same time was never a serious title threat. I think Button is the perfect number 2 driver. Mclaren would be stupid to let him go.

  • Profile picture of GeorgeTuk GeorgeTuk said 2 years, 7 months ago:

    Oh dear, looks like the BBC 606 forum trolls are on their way over here.

    As others have said, Button did a pretty good job. Its not like he was way out of contention, won 2 races the same as his team mate.

    With a better car next year, it has just lacked the pace in the latter part of the season and not coped well with the tyre wear.

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