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Can you tie a championship? (38 posts)

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Fixy said 1 year ago:

Ok, thanks for explaining the double-DNF situation, I hadn’t thought of that.

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Joey-Poey said 1 year ago:

I know it was a simple mistake, but I’m saying they can’t finish with that number of firsts and seconds no matter what. If you swap them in any fashion, you’ve got both of them finishing 2nd in the same race at some point. They would each need a 3rd like in your next example to be able to tie.

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paulgilb said 1 year ago:

Something I have been curious about: in 1976 James Hunt won the title by a single point after he finished 3rd in the final race (and Lauda withdrew). I remember reading that when he crossed the finish line he thought he was only 4th and so hadn’t won the title. However, Hunt had 6 wins to Lauda’s 5, so under the countback rule 4th place would have been enough. Was there a different tie-break rule used then?

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Alianora La Canta said 1 year ago:

Joey-Poey, crazy as it may sound, it is theoretically possible for 2 drivers to both get 2nd in the same race. It would be possible if they crossed the line at the exact same moment and the FIA could not separate them by photographic or computerised timing means (and if exactly one driver finished ahead of them). In that situation both would get the higher position and would share the points for 2nd and 3rd places equally (i.e. each would get (18+15)/2=16.5 points).

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Alianora La Canta said 1 year ago:

To answer the title question more directly, ties are very much possible at the end of a season, though rare in the case of title deciders. This year, if the 4 winners we’ve had so far proceed to win 5 races each, come second 5 times, 3rd five times and DNF the other 5, the FIA would have to break the tie however they saw fit because the standard tie-break rules do not apply. However there is only one Champion in each category, so there will never be two F1 World Driver’s Champions of 2012 – someone has to lose out, even if it is done on an arbitary basis such as what they ate for dinner after the final race (provided that the FIA takes the decision).

Tie-breaks happen nearly every year at the back of the grid and, in theory, can be left in such a way as to show 2 drivers tying for a non-title-winning position.

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Alianora La Canta said 1 year ago:

Paulgilb, in 1976 the best 7 results from each half of the season were counted (each half having 8 races).

1st half:
Lauda 9+9+6+6+9+9+4 = 52
Hunt 6+9+2+9 = 26
(both dropped a DNF)

2nd half, excluding Japan:
Lauda 9+3+4=16
Hunt 9+3+9+9+9=39
(again, both would drop a DNF)

Total points to Japan:
Lauda: 52 + 16 = 68
Hunt: 26 + 39 = 65

If it came to a tie, Lauda had 5 wins to Hunt’s 6 at this point. So Hunt should have won a tie (if, for example, Lauda retired and Hunt came 4th). You are correct. It may be a misprint in the thing you were reading because Grandprix.com correctly states that Hunt was aiming for 4th but thought he’d lost due to dropping to 5th for a time (he didn’t realise he’d passed two people on the last lap).

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Sean said 1 year ago:

If it did result in a tie the FIA has power to choose, is it in thier power to schedule another race at the end of the season for the purpose of determining a winner.

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Enigma said 1 year ago:

@alianora-la-canta If that were the case (4 drivers with 5 wins, 5 2nds, 5 3rds and 5 DNFs), I believe the most sensible solution would be to give the title to the one that won their 5th race first. Similar to qualifying tie-breaks, like the Williams drivers in Valencia 2010.

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