F1 Fanatic Driver Rankings 2012: Your views wanted (93 posts)

Topic tags: 2012 F1 season, F1
  • Profile picture of ed24f1 ed24f1 said 5 months, 2 weeks ago:

    1. Alonso
    2. Hamilton
    3. Vettel
    4. Raikkonen
    5. Hulkenberg
    6. Button
    7. Massa
    8. Webber
    9. Perez
    10. Rosberg
    11. Kobayashi
    12. Schumacher
    13. Ricciardo
    14. di Resta
    15. Maldonado
    16. Vergne
    17. Petrov
    18. Glock
    19. Pic
    20. de la Rosa
    21. Grosjean
    22. Kovalainen
    23. Senna
    24. Karthikeyan

    n/a. D’Ambrosio

  • Profile picture of blupid blupid said 5 months, 2 weeks ago:

    Right – thought this might be of interest: I’ve taken all the ratings posted here and using the current F1 points system, tried to create a consensus ranking. I used all posts which had a clear 1 to 10 (a couple only had 9, and some had drivers tied) and here’s what I came up with:

    1) Fernando Alonso 675
    2) Sebastian Vettel 521
    3) Lewis Hamilton 520
    4) Kimi Raikkonen 394
    5) Jenson Button 214
    6) Nico Hulkenberg 210
    7) Mark Webber 176
    8) Sergio Perez 123
    9) Michael Schumacher 50
    10) Felipe Massa 47
    11) Nico Rosberg 35
    12) Romain Grosjean 24
    13=) Kamui Kobayashi 23
    13=) Pastor Maldonado 23
    15) Daniel Ricciardo 3
    16) Paul Di Resta 1

    Some thoughts:
    - Alonso, unsurprisingly, came top.
    - How close was it between Vettel and Hamilton for second!?
    - I lost count of the number of fourth place rankings for Raikkonen
    - 99% of top 4s were a combinations of Alonso, Vettel, Hamilton and Raikkonen
    - 5-7 was usually a combination of Button, Hulkenberg and Webber
    - Perez got a mixed bag of reviews. Quite a few top 6s, but also a lot of times outside the top 10 altogether.
    - Grosjean got the vast majority of his points from the first couple of pages of ratings, Perez the majority from the last couple of pages. Not sure if this has any significance, but it’s a trend I noticed

    So, any thoughts?

  • Profile picture of Enigma Enigma said 5 months, 2 weeks ago:

    Here’s part 2 from me (I ranked Alonso 1st, ahead of Hamilton and Vettel)

    4 – Kimi Raikkonen: I don’t think many of us expected him to make such a return and finish 3rd in the championship. Showed very good consistency throughout the year, finishing all bar one lap and scoring in all but one race. He was pretty impressive in wheel-to-wheel battles, which we saw plenty of, and he managed to get that win when we least expected him. The one thing standing between him and the top 3 was probably his qualifying speed, as he got beaten by Grosjean on quite a few occasions. But other than that, it was a positively surprising comeback season.

    5 – Nico Hulkenberg: Some bad luck and perhaps some rustiness early on in the season, but he improved vastly from there (as did his car) and consistently scored points despite overall having only the 8th fastest car. He was sort of a ‘the best of the rest’ in the latter stages of the season and he made Paul di Resta look slow, which is no mean feat. Again showed just how great he is in the wet in Hockenheim and especially in Interlagos and were it not for a small, but costly error, he could’ve been a race winner. It’s a shame McLaren didn’t choose him to replace Hamilton, but he should be competitive with Sauber next year.

  • Profile picture of Force Maikel Force Maikel said 5 months, 2 weeks ago:

    1. Alonso
    2. Hamilton
    3. Räikkönen
    4. Vettel
    5. Hulkenberg
    6. Button
    7. Massa
    8. Webber
    9. Perez
    10. Maldonado
    11. Schumacher
    12. Rosberg
    13. Senna
    14. Grosjean
    15. Kobayashi
    16. Ricciardo
    17. Vergne
    18. Kovalainen
    19. de la Rosa
    20. di Resta
    21. Pic
    22. Glock
    23. Petrov
    24. Karthikeyan
    00. D’Ambrosio (You can’t take him into account)

  • Profile picture of Pelican Pelican said 5 months, 2 weeks ago:

    1. Fernando Alonso raced the wheels off the car all season.
    2. Sebastian Vettel proved he could climb up from the back of the field as well as win from pole.
    3. Kimi Raikonnen made no mistakes, but could maybe have gotten a few more places out of his car.
    4. Lewis Hamilton
    5. Jenson Button
    6. Mark Webber
    7. Nico Rosberg won his first race!
    8. Felipe Massa finally showed us why he’s driving for Ferrari in the last few races of the season.
    9. Michael Schumacher wasn’t bad for a mid-field driver.
    10. Romain Grosjean and Pastor Maldonado are both seriously fast. Maldonado toned down his bone-headedness but didn’t match his win in Barcelona, Grosjean stayed racy but kept crashing. His seems to have a lack of spacial awareness, it might be the bigger problem
    12. Nico Hulkenburg is the fastest driver in the field at Interlagos in the damp. Only.
    13. Sergio Perez started the season promisingly, then faded off.
    14. Kamui Kobayashi is daring enough to try passes no one else would and skilled enough to pull them off, but he just isn’t fast enough around the racecourse.
    15. Paul di Resta
    16-24. no opinion

  • Profile picture of Jani Jani said 5 months, 2 weeks ago:

    1. Alonso – Not many mistakes if any, maybe he was too aggressive in Japan but really maximised the result all year, 13 podiums.
    2. Vettel – Could be the first too but Alonso was just flawless but Vettel was faster, even though Red Bull was a better car. Made good overtakes and didn’t fail under pressure.
    3. Hamilton – Probably the fastest driver of the season, but the team let him down. Also made some mistakes himself or at least got in trouble more than others in Top 4.
    4. Räikkönen – Definetely the most consistent driver of the season. Car was 4th (3rd or 2nd in some weekends) fastest but managed to get 3rd in drivers championship and collected 2/3 of Lotuses points. Only Alonso beat his teammate more clearly. Finished all races and 18 of them ahead of Grosjean. Lots of good overtakes as well but qualis was his problem.
    5. Hülkenberg – This is when it gets harder to make mind. Best driver in midfield and really made a good impression.
    6. Button – Had a really poor mid season but was very fast on occasions.
    7. Massa – Had even more poor beginning and mid season than Button but in the end managed to be even faster than Alonso so the speed was the all the time.
    8. Perez – Good results but poor end season dropped him down a little.
    9. Webber – Faster than Vettel in the beginning of the season when the car wasn’t so good. Dropped from the championship fight after Silverstone.
    10. Maldonado – Many collisions and penalties but he is fast. Also first win for Williams in 8 years.

  • Profile picture of andae23 andae23 said 5 months, 2 weeks ago:

    It’s funny that mid-season, everyone was talking about who should replace Felipe Massa, as he was miles behind his teammate. And then he matches Alonso on pace for five races and suddenly everyone thinks Massa is great. Just to summarize Massa’s first 11 races: he qualified 0 times ahead of his teammate, he outraced his teammate 0 times, scored 15% of his teammate’s points and of the 672 laps, he spent 15 in front of his teammate.

    I’m sure that if the season was reversed, Massa would have been way lower than tenth in our rankings – and that’s not right. Bottom line: look at the entire season for your votes, not just the last couple of races.

  • Profile picture of GeeMac GeeMac said 5 months, 2 weeks ago:

    25. D’Ambrosio – One race at which he put in a poor performance.
    24. Karthikeyan – I don’t like knocking drivers, but he’s been woeful for ages and he doesn’t deserve that seat.
    23. Glock – Got a 12th place that almost nabbed 10th in the constructors away from Caterham, but he was otherwise anonymous. Got shown the way by Pic a few times, so you have to wonder what life at the tail end of the grid is doing to his skills.
    22. Vergne – Did a solid job, but you have to wonder if he is a serious contender for a Red Bull seat. His poor qualifying record has to be a worry for the team
    21. Ricciardo – Did a solid job, but you have to wonder if he is a serious contender for a Red Bull seat.
    20. Petrov – Did a great job this year and outshone Heikki in the latter part of the year.
    19. Pic – Did a good job against Glock, often showing him the way. Becomes the first Virgin/Marussia rookie not to be dropped by the team at the end of the season!
    18. Massa – His end of season form is enough to push him up a bit in the rankings, but it doesn’t make up for him being ordinary for most of the year.
    17. De La Rosa – Great job by the likeable Spaniard. He’s too good to be in that car, hopefully he’ll get his McLaren testing role back.
    16. Kovalainen – Another solid year, consistently the best of the rest. I think the doubt over his 2013 seat may have had an effect on his late season form, which was poor.
    15. Di Resta – Great start to the season was tarnished by the way he ended it. That wouldn’t be so bad normally, but Hulkenberg was showing what the car could really do.
    14. Maldonado – Flashes of genius coupled with fits of rage. He has to work on doing more of the former if he wants to move up the grid.
    13. Senna – Solid, scored more often than Maldonado (if not as heavily). Did a great job despite being compromised at 15 of the 20 races.
    12. Kobayashi – Solid alongside Checo. His drive at Suzuka was fantastic. If he doesn’t get a seat for 2013 it’ll be a sin.
    11. Rosberg – Breakthrough win promised much, but he delivered little. Another disappointing year.
    10. Schumacher – He didn’t disgrace himself this year (of in the previous 2 seasons). Enjoy retirement.
    9. Perez- His form post the McLaren announcement took the shine off of what was a breakthrough year for Checo.
    8. Hulkenberg – Opposite to Perez…his late season form was magnificent. I think McLaren and Ferrari may regret not signing him.
    7. Grosjean – Yes he got involved in a lot of first lap crashes, but his pace is undeniable and he did a solid job of keeping Raikkonen honest.
    6. Button – He was in fine form at times this season, but he still tends to fade into the scenery when the car isn’t 100% to his liking.
    5. Webber – Almost back to his 2009/2010 form. tailed off at the end of the season. May spend 2013 as Vettel’s gimp, despite how much he’ll protest against that.
    4. Raikkonen – He’s still world class after his years out rallying. He may rub a few people up the wrong way, what great champion doesn’t, but he gets the job done and is still genuinely quick. He would have had this position in my rankings even if he didn’t win in Abu Dhabi.
    3. Vettel – Did the business in a year he was odd on favourite to win. Can’t fault that, but that also doesn’t mean he was the most impressive driver this year.
    2. Hamilton – The Hamilton of 2007-2010 is back. He still has great speed, he was in a much better frame of mind and may have been a double world champion had he got a bit of luck.
    1. Alonso – To say he is the most complete driver out there is a bit of a cliché these days, but after this year it is hard to doubt that. The fact that he was in title winning position near the end of the Brazilian GP is a testament to just how brilliant he is. Vettel may have more championships…but Alonso will go higher up on my list of all time greats one day.

  • Profile picture of vickyy vickyy said 5 months, 2 weeks ago:

    1. Alonso
    2. Hamilton
    3. Vettel
    4. Raikkonen
    5. Hulkenberg
    6. Button
    7. Grosjean
    8. Webber
    9. Maldonado
    10. Rosberg
    11. Kobayashi
    12. Perez
    13. Ricciardo
    14. di Resta
    15. Massa
    16. Vergne
    17. Petrov
    18. Glock
    19. Pic
    20. de la Rosa
    21. Grosjean
    22. Kovalainen
    23. Senna
    24. Karthikeyan

  • Profile picture of Hairs Hairs said 5 months, 2 weeks ago:

    Judging the season as a whole is much more difficult than the first half, things are not nearly so clear-cut.

    1: Alonso. Didn’t win the championship, but certainly deserved to. Vettel overcame many obstacles, but he was working with his car more often than not. Alonso had to fight his every step of the way.

    2: Hamilton. Would have been the third double champion this year if McLaren had not let him down. Made no mistakes and was faster than his teammate most of the year. He was also entertaining off-track, although not intentionally.

    2. Vettel No point splitting hairs between the two runners up. Vettel had some stonking races this year, and proved his mettle more than once. Alonso was just up against it in worse machinery, that’s pretty much all the difference.

    3. Raikkonen. Proved in wheel-to-wheel racing he’s still got it, and deserves his place in the sun again. Needs to improve his qualifying form, otherwise impeccable.

    4. Kovalainen. Still outshone his machinery, although towards the end you got the impression even he’d run out of energy for dragging the Caterham team around behind him.

    5. Perez. Did all he could to justify the McLaren drive, then promptly fell to pieces trying to prove himself all over again. Worrying, but the rest of his year was good enough that he doesn’t lose too much cred over it.

    6. Hulkenberg. Was touch and go with DiResta in the first half of the year, and beat him more often than not at the end. A class act, and a clever move out of the possibly foundering Force India team into Sauber. Sauber lack the technical depth that FI have proved over the last few years, but they’re a more stable option that a team backed by two bankrupt businessmen.

    After this it gets very very difficult to choose, until we get down to the end of the rankings, where there are no surprises.
    7. Button. Some standout performances during the year, and still one of my favourite drivers. Deserves a nod for his brilliant comeback to Jake Humphrey at the last race, but his woeful dip in form when the tyres weren’t working drags him down the order.

    7. Webber. Some good performances, but as time goes on he is becoming more and more the genuine #2 driver to Vettel whether he wants it or not.

    8. Di Resta, Rosberg, Kobayashi. Fairly anonymous seasons for all three, but they’re all reliable, solid drivers. It will be sad to lose Kobayashi after his home podium, but realistically he should have been on par or beating Perez this year. He wasn’t. Rosberg had that stunning win, but for the rest of the season he may as well not have been on the grid as his grey drab mercedes lolloped round the field. DiResta’s season was almost as exciting as one of his interviews.

    9. Vergne, Ricciardo, Glock, Pic. Two teams, 4 drivers, not always a lot to choose between them. I get the impression Glock wants someone to just shoot him and end the pain of being in the Marussia.

    10. Senna. Crap qualifying, mediocre race pace. Not his uncle’s reincarnation by any stretch of the imagination, but he won’t sully the man’s memory like Jacques did with his father’s.

    11. Petrov. Pulled it out of the bag at the last race, but as usual was otherwise well off the pace of his teammate.

    12. DeLa Rosa. Just take back the tester’s job at McLaren. We understand the urge to race, but this was always a bad idea….

    13. Karthakeyan. Even paying for a drive doesn’t make it worth it.

    14. Grosjean. I hated his driving, then he converted me into an almost believer. Then he set about his old ways, using his car like a battering ram to no good purpose, proving incapable of doing two things at once. His hideous move across the track which almost killed Hamilton and Alonso was inexcusable in a professional driver.

    –. Maldonado. Almost killed a marshall in Monaco, bought his way out of the penalty, still a scumbag, still doesn’t deserve to be in a car, still using it as a weapon in Barcelona. Worthless toerag.

  • Profile picture of Enigma Enigma said 5 months, 2 weeks ago:

    Part 3. I ranked Alonso 1st, Hamilton 2nd, Vettel 3rd, Raikkonen 4th and Hulkenberg 5th beforehand.

    6 – Jenson Button: He started the season very well, with a victory and a second in the first 3 races, but it went downhill from there. The car update didn’t seem to suit him and he really struggled with set-up and some bad luck, resulting in some embarassing races. The updated car in Hockenheim seemed to suit him better again and we saw some good performances from then on, but it was too little too late to challenge for the title. Ended the season on a high with his 5th win in the wet for McLaren, but things just didn’t work out for him this year. Perhaps with him being the leading driver in the team next year he can challenge for the title again.

    7 – Mark Webber: After the poor 2011, Webber proved again that on his day, he can be more than a match for Vettel. But again he just couldn’t put together a consistent season. His win in Monaco was very impressive and after winning the British GP he really looked like he could be a major contender for the title. But some very poor races followed and through further bad luck, unreliability and strategies not working out, he only finished the championship in a very poor 6th.

    8 – Sergio Perez: One of the biggest surprises of the season. His drive in Sepang was nothing short of amazing and he should have won the race. Quite ironic that he shared all 3 podiums with the man he’s replacing at McLaren. But if he wants to even consider thinking of the title there, he needs to get his consistency sorted heavily.

  • Profile picture of Master firelee Master firelee said 5 months, 2 weeks ago:

    1. Hamilton – If it wasn’t for the reliability of his car he could have been champion.
    2. Alonso – Outperformed a car that didn’t look at all quick enough at the start of the year.
    3. Raikkonen – A solid season without any retirements, finishing 3rd overall and missing out on only 1 lap.
    4. Vettel – Once again showing he can take the championship in a car that was capable of doing so.
    5. Hulkenburg – Highest place in championship table without even visiting the podium.
    6. Perez – Showing that he has allot of talent with 3 podiums but also has allot to learn.
    7. Button – Slower than Lewis at most races but managed to beat him afew times and picked up 3 wins.
    8. Webber – Off the pace compared to his teammate, but still managed to pick up a couple of wins.
    9. Massa – Although at the end of the season he put in some great performances, at the start he didn’t.
    10. Maldonado – He was very quick on one lap runs and many stints but threw it away a couple of times.
    11. Rosberg – Outscored his 7 time champion teammate again and won his first Grandprix.
    12. di Resta – Not doing as well as Hulk but also picked up some high points scoring positions.
    13. Kobayashi – Got a podium on his home turf but I think his season was a bit up and down.
    14. Schumacer – I’t wasn’t a great season for Schumi but he did pick up a podium and pole(sort of).
    15. Vergne – Not much to decifer between his teammate but got more points
    16. Riciardo – Not much to decifer between his teammate but got less points.
    17. Petrov – Although his season wasn’t exactly great, he also secured that 10th place.
    18. Glock – Proving that you don’t necessarily need KERS to be as quick as the Caterham team.
    19. Pic – Out performed the Caterham drivers a few times and doing just aswell as Glock.
    20. Kovalainen – I think he did just as well as Petrov really but didn’t bring home the bacon.
    21. Senna – I can’t remember much of what he did this season other than a few low points finishes.
    22. Grosjean – His driving was terrible, causing many accidents, although he was quick a couple of times.
    23. de la Rosa – dragging an old dog across the line, many times or not making it at all.
    24. Kartikayan – causing a few crashes when faster cars are passing him, and what de la Rosa did.
    25* D’Ambrosio – Not much to go on here but during his one race he didn’t do to great.

  • Profile picture of electrolite electrolite said 5 months, 2 weeks ago:

    I take back a couple of things I said earlier…

    8. Sergio Perez
    9. Nico Rosberg
    10. Kamui Kobayashi – It’s easy to overlook what a decent season Kobayashi had whilst his team mate benefitted from what were, often successful, more daring strategies. Of course, Kamui often being a higher qualifier of the two meant he didn’t always reap the benefits of such gambles.
    11. Pastor Maldonado – Too many incidents, frankly. But. So quick.
    12. Michael Schumacher – The unluckiest driver on the grid by some margin in the first half of the season. He always stuck the car up there, on occasions when it wasn’t seen as the quickest. His best season since his comeback – although not without a couple of schoolboy errors.
    13. Felipe Massa – Easily would be in the top 8 for me if his first half was as good as his second. A good season includes getting out of the blocks quickly…
    14. Romain Grosjean
    16. Marussia Drivers
    17. Paul Di Resta
    18. Heikki Kovalainen
    19. Vitaly Petrov
    20. Bruno Senna
    21. Daniel Ricciardo
    22. Pedro De la Rosa
    23. Jean-Eric Vergne
    24. Cucumber

  • Profile picture of infernojim infernojim said 5 months, 2 weeks ago:

    1. Alonso (outperformed his car, which whilst not a complete dog didn’t deserve to be anywhere near a title shot – much like Kimi below)
    2. Raikonnen (qualifying pace improved throughout the year, and his wheel to wheel racing was excellent, icing on the cake a win in his first season back – eat that Schumacher)
    3. Hamilton (best year for a long time, but not flawless)
    4. Vettel (won when he had the best car as usual, had some solid drives when his car wasn’t the best, but made a few too many mistakes that he got away with by in-large. Great driver, you could say he makes his own luck, but he certainly does get some)
    5. Hulkenburg (a bit unlucky in early season, but had a great finish and completely bossed Di Resta making him look very ordinary – unlucky not to have been picked up by a proper top class team like Mclaren or Ferrari for next year – Sauber seems a bit of a sideways move?)
    6. Button (mid-season dip, but had 3 race wins and a strong end to the season bodes well for him taking the lead at Mclaren next year)
    7. Perez (podiums a go-go, in a fantastic first half of the year, that ultimately won him a Mclaren drive, which is exciting. Lost his way in the end, but the Sauber was noticeably weaker in the last third of the season, which didn’t help)
    8. Webber (a couple of great wins, and did a decent job, but nothing special)
    9. Maldonado (first win for Williams was great. Crashed a bit too much, but has genuine pace, and is the perfect match of pay driver and top notch talent that Williams (and a lot of teams) are craving at present)!
    10. Schumacher (ridiculously unlucky this season, albeit only had his self to blame in ploughing into the back of people at Spain and Singapore. Great podium and a respectable finish to his season with a great drive to 7th in Brazil).
    11. Grosjean (quick and had a few great drives, but involved in way too many incidents for his own good)
    12. Rosberg (got the first win and another podium, but was completely anonymous in the last half of the season – will get destroyed by Hamilton next season – or will he?!)
    13. Massa (good recovery at the end of the year, but you can’t ignore how abject he was for the first dozen races of the season – lucky to not be dropped)
    14. Kobayashi (podium aside was outshone by Perez in every way)
    15. Kovaleinen (destroyed his team mate again, can’t believe he could be out of a drive next season)
    16. Di Resta (met him in Germany last year and he was miserable. Very pleased to see the over-hyped Scott put firmly in his place by the vastly more talented Hulkenburg. HA!)
    17. Senna (wasn’t that bad, but should have got a podium in that car this season and was outshone by Maldonado all year, deserved to be replaced)
    18. Vergne (awful at qualifying, but was generally just better than his team mate in the race, and did really well in a couple of wet races – still not sure he’s any better than Alguesuari or Buemi though)
    19. Ricciardo (good at qualifying, but was generally wose than his team mate in the race, but did really well in a couple of races – still not sure he’s any better than Alguesuari or Buemi though)
    20. Pic (got the better of the vastly experienced Glock, no mean feat)
    21. Petrov (better than Trulli last year, but still some way behind Kovaleinen’s performances)
    22. Glock (disappointing)
    23. De La Rosa (better than Karthikeyan by miles, but its hard to impress in that car)
    24. Karthikeyan (AWFUL – why is he even in F1 – ridiculous)

  • Profile picture of Enigma Enigma said 5 months, 2 weeks ago:

    9 – Nico Rosberg: After two no-scores, the third race of the season was perfect, as he finally got his first and duly win in formula one – at the Shanghai track he shone at in previous years. After his second place in Monaco it looked like he could challenge for the title – but through bad luck, car getting slower and slower and Nico being beaten by his teammate on many an occasion, he only managed to finish the championship in 9th.

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