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@bobthevulcan If Y kph for Corner X is above the McLaren’s “limit” then yes, Hamilton would need correction. That’s simply fact. That correction though would probably ultimately slow the Mclaren down further.

Example: say the Red Bull’s limit was Y kph, the McLaren’s limit Y-1 kph. Instead of just losing half a tenth (by missing on 1kph apex speed, and the resulting loss down the next straight) then you could potentially be missing 1.5 tenths (because though you carry Y kph through, you end up running slightly wide, correcting – and that delays your power on)

@raymondu999 we’ve been having this discussion without taking into account competition – drivers don’t drive in a vacuum. They drive against drivers. So if Vettel in the Red Bull can beat other drivers without overstepping the limit in his RB, of course he won’t do so. He will only overstep the limit if he is forced to – that’s why Alonso and Hamilton are driving near and sometimes cross the limit.

@ Michael Or perhaps the limit of Hamilton’s driving ability is more easy to reach. Hamilton is a driver that is making many mistakes, regardless of the car he is driving. That means he reaches his limits too often, even in a great car.

I get you are a fan of his, but that is not a motive not to be objective about him. He really does the most mistakes except the drivers that crash a lot, such as Grosjean and Maldonado. I never said he isn’t fast, I said he does a lot of mistakes. His mistakes aren’t lapses of concentration, are mostly due to overdriving and due to his high aggressiveness when trying to pass( which some times pays off, sometimes turns against him; both of them very often).

You should try to be as objective as you can. If you are not, your opinion loses much value, don’t you think. Lewis is sometimes trying too much for his own good. I can give many examples, but , one that comes in my mind is Monza 2009 when he could have finished third yet he retired in the last lap( or second to last, I don’t remember exactly). He is a very, very good driver in my opinion, has his moments of greatness, but is far too incomplete to be a great driver. He is far from the best in F1 and the fact that bothers me the most about him is that he seems not to be learning from his mistakes.

he seems not to be learning from his mistakes

I’m not a Hamilton fan, but I beg to differ. Hamilton’s drives this season have been far more measured than his previous years. Look to this year’s Spanish GP if you want to see Hamilton doing an exercise in caution on the way from 24th to 8th. Look to Hungary and Monza, where he was able to control the pace from the front without flinching. He’s shown himself more capable of toning down the aggressiveness where necessary, and as a result, has better managed his tyres and his overall pace. Only mechanical and operational failures on the part of McLaren have prevented the points standings from reflecting this. His more mature performances this year show that he has indeed learnt from his mistakes.

Or even Schumi in Bahrain