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Hamilton & Stewards (37 posts)

Topic tags: Hamilton, Lewis, Stewards

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Martin Rasmussen said 1 year, 8 months ago:

What will happen after 3 strikes?

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Slr said 1 year, 8 months ago:

Grid penalty I believe.

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Martin Rasmussen said 1 year, 8 months ago:

Makes sense. Or maybe a fine?

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tvm said 1 year, 8 months ago:

Steph,
That was one incident yes, then there were the second one at Monaco with Maldonado which has parallels with todays incident in that an overtaking car tries to go for a minimal gap which trajects with the leading cars racing line; precisely what happened today and from which KOB walks free whereas HAM were penalized. 2008 on SPA HAM overtakes of the track, gives the position back and is penalized whereas today Rosberg overtakes out of track and walks free…

Yesterday with no race, no qualifying, no training going on Hamilton was run of the track by Maldonado (it happens) and was reprimanded!!

Ill check the start later, sure I can find plenty of causing a collision.

That’s just this weekend…

Either the stewards are biased or they are incompetent.

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George said 1 year, 8 months ago:

The problem with your comparisons is that they all involve Hamilton diving down the inside of another driver as they’re about to turn in, in this case Hamilton was ahead and basically ran Kobayashi out of road. As Steph said the best example was of Button and Hamilton in Montreal, and if I remember correctly that was deemed a racing incident.

*EDIT*
Just to make myself clearer

the second one at Monaco with Maldonado which has parallels with todays incident in that an overtaking car tries to go for a minimal gap which trajects with the leading cars racing line

Kobayashi was on the racing line, Hamilton chose to defend, then moved over in the braking zone.

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tvm said 1 year, 8 months ago:

HAM didn’t run anyone of the road, he went where KOB knew he was going, just as HAM knew where Maldonado were going in Monaco, either both or neither are a penalty.

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George said 1 year, 8 months ago:

I didn’t say he ran him off the road, I said out of road, a subtle difference there. I would say the blame is probably 75/25 on Hamilton’s side (Kobayashi could have pulled out but he didn’t have to, and Hamilton obviously didn’t expect him to be there)

As we’re still discussing the Monaco crash, Hamilton simply commited to the overtake and Maldonado drove into him, I dont think that should have been a penalty and that was my initial thought at the time. I think the stewards were probably told not to be lenient that weekend though, di Resta also got a penalty that he probably didn’t deserve.

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tvm said 1 year, 8 months ago:

Agreed then, none of them should be penalized.

Which is agreeing with the premise of this thread i guess.

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Ell said 1 year, 8 months ago:

I am a Hamilton fan, but i will be honest here. he did move, but i don’t know what Kobayshi was thinking to have another look at him, in a much slower car with a damaged endplate.

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Martin Rasmussen said 1 year, 8 months ago:

@TVM Thats what I said when I saw the first replay :)

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tvm said 1 year, 8 months ago:

For the record though, “them” is referring to two incidents, Kobayashi-Hamilton @SPA &
Hamilton-Maldonado @Monaco, both racing incidents, both with a guilt party if you go by the rule book.

Which still begs the question why Hamilton gets shafted for stuff that others walks free of.

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Icthyes said 1 year, 8 months ago:

My only issue with Hamilton’s penalties in Monaco is that Webber did pretty much the same to him in Singapore and got away with it. I think penalties in general get handed too often to everyone and I think it betrays cowardice from the FIA. In most parts, penalties come because:

a) A driver causes another to spin or crash, even if it’s 50/50
b) It’s between two drivers outside of the points

Which shows that they are too weak to wave away controversial incidents in the name of “that’s motor racing” and want to be seen to be tough so they go after drivers when the penalty will ultimately not harm them in any way at all. Not only that but the stewards are never the same from race to race and there’s always the driver steward to take responsibility for it, so the FIA can wash their hands of any controversy and avoid accountability, which shows what a weak sporting authority they are and “unfit for purpose”.

I do think if it had been Hamilton on Kobayashi today the stewards would have had a look at it further but I’d like to believe they wouldn’t have penalised him.

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Fixy said 1 year, 8 months ago:

He wasn’t penalised, not even investigated for the crash with Kobayashi, which was, yes, a racing incident, but more Lewis’ than Kamui’s fault.

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tvm said 1 year, 8 months ago:

In essence you think that a driver should give room for overtakers even when they haven’t passed. Thats interesting enough, I agree that if you leave a gap then you must expect it to be taken.
It would require quite a number of HAM penalties to be called back.

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Slr said 1 year, 8 months ago:

With the FIA saying that for this year, the stewards will be tougher, it’s not really surprising that many incidents are having penalties dished out.

With Hamilton, it does seem to me sometimes that he has Senna’s mentality, where it is up to the other driver to decide whether the accident happens or not. If that is true, then he should drop it in my opinion. If he is happy to crash, then he should crash all by himself, don’t involve other drivers endangering their safety in the process. Hamilton is sometimes unlucky, but I don’t think it’s a coincidence that he has been involved in many incidents.

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