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Can teams no longer appeal if they fail to beat the 107% time?

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  • #130770
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    GeorgeDaviesF1
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    rumour is teams can no longer appeal after they dont make 107%

    #190597
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    Oli Peacock
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    Link?

    #190598
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    Keith Collantine
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    @GeorgeDaviesF1 Yes, this is the case. Article 17.2 of the 2012 sporting regulations says:

    Appeals may not be made against decision concerning the following:
    [...]
    d) Any decision taken by the stewards in relation to Article 36.1.

    Article 36.1 says:

    During Q1, any driver whose best qualifying lap exceeds 107% of the fastest time set during that session, or who fails to set a time, will not be allowed to take part in the race. Under exceptional circumstances however, which may include setting a suitable lap time in a free practice session, the stewards may permit the car to start the race.

    Should there be more than one driver accepted in this manner, the grid order will be
    determined by the stewards.

    Note that stewards still have the power to grant dispensations so this does not mean any driver who fails to beat the 107% time or fails to set a time in Q1 will automatically be unable to start the race.

    #190599
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    Had any teams actually made an appeal, successful or not, anyway?

    #190600
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    @matt90 : I know HRT did at Melbourne, obviously unsuccessful. I believe Virgin did once successfully, because D’Ambrosio failed to manage the proper time – I can’t remember where though, although if pressed I’d guess Canada.

    Still, not being able to appeal against such a decision will be just as pointless as the entire 107 % Rule itself.

    #190601
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    I’m with you on that, @klon . I think they should either get rid of it or bump the number higher so it’s more realistically dangerous if a car doesn’t meet it.

    #190602
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    Was D’ambrosia (possibly in Canada) being allowed to race actually the result of an appeal, or did the stewards just recognise immediately that he was capable and allow him to race?

    #190603
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    The rule is only ignored if the car has set a faster than 107% time in practice, or the session was wet enough to mess about with the quali times.

    #190605
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    well, I say only, I mean the rule tends to get ignored for the reasons I posted above.

    #190606
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    raymondu999
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    Can’t we just stick to the rules where if the driver sets a time; within FP1 thru to Q1; that is within 107% of the P1 time in Q1; will not start the race? I’m not a big fan of special dispensations otherwise – the rules are rules.

    #190607
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    The rule was not introduced to weed out slow drivers. It was introduced to get rid of slow cars.

    #190608
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    Icthyes
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    A rule clarifying a rule about a rule that rules when a rule may not apply.

    F1!

    #190609
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    raymondu999
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    @prisoner-monkeys no it wasn’t. It was to weed out slow car-driver packages.

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