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How can a car be quick in qualifying but not the race?

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    Firstly i’m talking in general; how can a car be quick in qualifying but slow in the race. Excluding the tyres factor which prevents some cars being pushed hard due to tyre concerns; is there an aerodynamic affect in differing fuel loads (quali/race trim) that makes some cars slower in quali than race and vice versa. The ferrai for an example, has a trait of not being great in qualifying, but being an extremlmly good race car; i just dont understand how the same aero package can produce enough grip to qualifying highly, but then came race trim the car is slower than cars which it outpaced in qualifying??

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    From my – limited – knowledge, it comes down to weight. With a racing fuel load, the car will sit slightly lower to the ground, which will affect the aerodynamics. On top of that, the added weight of the fuel changes the mechanical grip the car has on the road – it’s sitting heavier, and that affects suspension response, ride height etc. Of course, the added weight itself will effect pace.

    #229268
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    Last year there were two explanations: DRS and tyres, this year the difference is mainly tyres, I think, as DRS is used much less.

    With regard to Ferrari, last year they seemed to have problems with instability under braking and corner entry after they closed the DRS. Something about the air flows not re-attaching quickly enough.

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    Fuel load
    Driving style
    Tyres
    DRS
    Track conditions

    Fuel load is fairly easy to understand. They aren’t running on fumes, so the car is heavier and behaves differently.
    Driving style – They don’t do 60 qualifying laps back to back in the race. They are driving to conserve their tyres, so they don’t have to pit as often, and not fall victim to the tyres “falling off the cliff.” There’s other things like fuel consumption and reliability that they have to consider. If you compare a qualifying lap to a race lap, you’ll notice that they are much smoother in their driving inputs (short shifting, tidier steering movements, less aggressive throttle application). While being slower than qualifying overall, this also affects drivers with cars that don’t have good balance in the car. While they may be able to push a car with oversteering tendencies in qualifying, they will struggle in the race to keep it from burning it’s rear tyres, and as a result will be slower.
    Tyres – This falls into the above description somewhat. The driver may be able to get their tyres up to temperature to hook up one fast lap, but maintaining ideal temperature during the race is difficult. They can also struggle with tyre degradation, which is of negligible significance in qualifying.
    DRS – In previous years, drivers were able to use the DRS on the entire circuit in qualifying. A quick car in qualifying may have been set up with more aggressive aero, which gives more downforce and more drag. They were able to reduce their drag during qualifying, but not in the race. Also, DRS meant choosing gear ratios was tricky. Often, they would gear the cars so that they were quick in clear air (using DRS in qualifying, and not using it during the race), but found that they would hit the rev limit when trying a DRS overtake in the race.
    Track conditions can change significantly over the weekend. Variables such as track temperature, how “green” the track is (amount of rubber on the racing line, as well as absence of contaminants such as dust, dirt, sand, foliage – a particular problem in Melbourne – and water) affect how the tyre interacts with the surface.

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