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Yes make the run to the hairpin a kilometer long and it should be all good! :P

Not sure who’s behind this suggestion, perhaps @bag0 can advise:

http://sportgeza.hu/forma1/2012/11/08/kanyarkombinacioval_es_egyenessel_is_gazdagodhatna_az_atepitett_hungaroring/

Sure thing @keithcollantine

I remember this article, the suggestions came from Wéber Gábor (WTCC driver, Michelisz’s teammate last year, also the commentator of the F1 TV broadcast), and if I remember correctly @atticus-2 posted this in the forum at that time.

In the article he says:

“We have a finite number of options because of the terrain and the lack of space. I wouldnt touch the combination after the chicane, its technical and challenging, the track would lose some of its essence, moreover it would be a lot shorter. It would be possible, to expand the circuit moving inward, but it would require a lot of logging (chopping trees), it wouldnt give mutch more space, and it is not preferable from the view of environmental protection. After turn 2 it would be possible to extend the rundown to Mansell (turn 4), but there wouldnt be more overtakes, moreover it is a charasteristic, ‘traditional’ turn too, it would be a shame to lose it.
In my opinion, we should think about the part after Mansell, the left side of the track near or at the drive-in-movie. I would turn the trace sharply down with a combinaton or a short straight. From there to the right again, so I would turn upward with a straight, which either would end in a hairpin or a turn simmilar to T14 in Sepang. The point would be to guide the track down to the left and then up-right back to the original trace, in a way that allows different lines: one should be able to try an out-brake maneuver, but the car on the inside should be in a disadvantage on the – now longer – rundown to the chicane.

The other, longer versions lower-right part could be a long righthander, with a fast entry but sharper exit, or a long fast S curve, like on the new part of Silverstone, where the drivers enter with high speed but can make different lines work.

Both additions would end at the chicane, creating a plus overtaking opportunity. I think the runoff area could be extended if neccessary, but thy chicane could be moved too.”

I think his ideas are valid, but he drives touring cars, so there is a difference between his experiences and his idea of ideal overtaking spots compared to F1. He was overtaken at the chicane this year by Michelisz but he lifted to let Norbi through, and it was still narrow at a mutch lower speed, so it might be a good idea to either lose the chicane and have the drivers to drive more carefully (because the lack of runoff), or widen the chicane too.

@necrodethmortem

I think it really depends on the moey. I really hope they have or will have the resources to add a whole new section, but nothing is sure at the moment. In Abu Dhabi there was only a formal agreement, no contract if there will be a contract signed it wont be beforethe race of 2013. And it depends on the plans of the new section and medical centre. If all goes to plan the new surface will be layed before next years GP and the new section should be ready for 2014.

But a more important thing which we cant see on these drawings are the elevation changes. On Webers drawings where his two versions meet at the left, would be the lowest point of the section dropping 16 meters from the staring point (after t4) than it would be 35 metres up to the chicane. On your version the hairpin would be the lowest point, about 8 meters lower than the start of the section, and it would also go up at least 30 metres before the chicane.

@necrodethmortem

Think of the trees!

@prisoner-monkeys
Nope, it was Wébers suggestion.

Hivatalos terveket még nem közöltek az érintettek,
megkérdeztük Wéber Gábor túrakocsi-versenyzőt, a WTCC-s Zengő Motorsport BMW-
pilótáját

Roughly translated version: The official plans has not yet been released, but we asked Wéber Gábor (Zengő Motorsport BMW’s driver //WTCC, touring car, tv commentator, something to make it more credible, etc.)

@keithcollantine

Any time.

Are Hungarian first and second names swapped around?

I guess you could say that, but for me the british names are swapped :) But yes, family name (second) comes first then all your forenames in the order of usage (Usually). I mean I have two firstnames, Peter and Zoltan, but in hungarian my name is Varga (family) Péter(most used) Zoltán (barely used) I guess in english it would be something like Peter Z. Varga.

About Weber, well, yes usually any driver will be referred in that manner, as Michelisz Norbert is called Norbert Michelisz, or Kiss Pál Tamás is referred Tamas Kiss Pal, and sometimes the commentators turn the whole thing around and Kiss Pál Tamás becames Tamas Pal Kiss (wrong, as his family name is Kiss Pál). You should take a note, I realy hope that a) you will have some TV time with F 3.5 and b) you have to use Kiss Pál’s name a lot next year.