Is hydrogen fuel a way to go for F1? (22 posts)

Topic tags: alternative F1 fuels, engine, F1 innovative drive train solutions, green
  • Profile picture of sato113 sato113 said 2 years, 11 months ago:

    as long as the cars make a lot of loud noises i’m happy. stay away electric engines!

  • Profile picture of SoLiDG SoLiDG said 2 years, 11 months ago:

    One thing many don’t know is that the F1 is co2-neutral for over a decade!

    “However, on further investigation, it seems that Formula One isn’t quite as environmentally unfriendly as one might think. For the last decade, the FIA Foundation, a charity set up by the sport’s sanctioning body that promotes ‘road safety, environmental protection and sustainable mobility’ has offset the carbon emissions of the races and transport to and fro, with a carbon trading scheme. “

    source: http://arstechnica.com/science/news/2007/03/7272.ars

    You can find some more articles on this on the net.

    For the rest I like the id for more greener engines, like hydrogen.
    For me Hydrogen engines looks to be a good way to go. But that won’t be simple to make it work in F1 for now, atleast I think so :)

  • Profile picture of BasCB BasCB said 2 years, 11 months ago:

    We could just make the alcohol from Petrol then, or mix a bit of it into the alcohol maybe? Seriously this is a viable fuel alternative, (anyone remember the fires in Cart where everybody used to spash water over the cars just to make sure it was not burning?).

    But to make the cars run a reasonable distance they would have to make the engines run very efficiently, maybe using electrical 4wd from brake engery to get more power from the car.

    Next to that, run a great race or two of “oldtimer” F1 cars during each weekend, preferrably with veteran racing drivers or alternatively/jointly with current drivers.
    The drag race i saw at Hockenheim was nice for that as well, i understand your feelings on this Rampante, just i would like to give the engineers more perspectives to work on as far as propulsion is concerned.

  • Profile picture of Scribe Scribe said 2 years, 11 months ago:

    Sure the scream of an engine is great. But imagine if the engine had hyrdrogen power. Each would have a vortex like jet trail of water vapour. That would mix things up a bit. Probably be highly unsafe though, cut vision, especially at the back.

    Still, I’m looking foward to V4 turbos. Turbo’s as a rule sound awesome.

  • Profile picture of Guilherme Guilherme said 2 years, 11 months ago:

    I think this matter must be looked from different perspectives. While F1 is a racing series with cars running on internal-combustion, fuel powered engines, it’s quite obvious that it HAS an effect on the environment. However, we should look deeper into it and search of the heart of the problem.

    We are all F1 fanatics and we do know a lot about the sport. People who don’t follow it don’t know. We can’t think like those who don’t follow F1, because we are not them, but we can figure out that when they turn on the television and see 24 or so cars running 300km each “for nothing”, they think it is utterly useless and is only harming the environment. However, F1 cars’ carbon emission is not where the teams produce more CO2, and it is nothing compared to the emissions of normal daylife activity.

    How much carbon do you think a plane produce? A lot, right? Now imagine thousands of planes flying hundred thousands of kilometres everyday. It’s quite strange that I never heard anyone complaining about plane emissions nor coming up with a different engineering solution to make planes more green.

    And no matter how much carbon F1 cars produce, they only run about 700km in each race weekend. My father run much more in his Chevrolet Kadett (Vauxhall Astra there in Britain) every week. And my father is only one person in the world – there are hundred million drivers running something close (or much more than) 700km each week. F1 worst carbon emissions do not come from the cars. But how many people who don’t follow the sport will figure that out? How would they believe if you tell them that running a wind tunnel and flying back and forth around the world is worse then running the race? I really think that this “make cars green” thing, running 5,25% of ethanol and etc is only propaganda. Maybe trying tell people that F1 do care about the environment, but they are not ready to change everything they have to carbon-frendly equipment in a short timeframe.

    What if the FIA banned wind tunnels? CDF is getting more sofisticated everyday and someday it will simulate even the most complexes effects, without hurting the environment like windtunnels do. And why not orginize the callendar in a way so teams need to travel less?

    In the end, it is not running the cars that hurts the environment most, it is running the sport – we need some big changes in this field to make the sport more green. BUT I’m in favour of introducing greener technologies, maybe not to bring the F1 emissions level to zero, but to reduce it significantly, because we all know that F1 is a technology research laboratory, and anything that can be done to make the cars pollute less – be it KERS, Hydrogen engines, etc – will have an impact on road cars. And THAT is the heart of the matter…

    (sorry for any typos you might find, I’m in a bit of a hurry :P)

  • Profile picture of BasCB BasCB said 2 years, 11 months ago:

    It seems 60% of F1 fans /followers agree, that development of environmental technology should be a part of F1. But on the subject of F1 actually promoting “green” initiatives the fans are much more devided.

    It shows in the posts here so far, i think we will leave it at that and conclude, that new and innovative engine technology should be developed in the next years within F1, but not at the cost of racing or the feel of petrol slurping machines on track making a lot of noise!

  • Profile picture of Icthyes Icthyes said 2 years, 11 months ago:

    The way I see it, if F1 can develop something like hydrogen it’ll help bring about a world in which F1 cars don’t need to run on hydrogen and they can return to petrol.

    But also in the way I see it, all these efforts are going to worth nothing if we don’t get the world population problem under control as well.

    I think the least F1 can do is to partly incorporate green tech, but not just for the sake of looking green, but to actually be greener (unlike the joke that was KERS last year).

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