Less gimicky alternative to DRS (25 posts)

Topic tags: DRS, KERS, overtaking
  • Profile picture of Icthyes Icthyes said 2 years, 2 months ago:

    PM, I think those rules only apply for in-season. For new rules, the FIA can impose them and only if there is a big enough opposition will they change their minds, out of pragmatism, not “legal” necessity. That’s why FOTA went to all those lengths in 2009, because they had no way of blocking them for the next year.

  • Profile picture of Zadak Zadak said 2 years, 2 months ago:

    I would like to say that I really like DRS

    It’s very fair as it is, if the driver who was infront is fast enough then he should be able to get past again in the next lap, we still have the long duels it’s just that they swap position more now instead of staying one behind the other.

    one thing I would do for DRS is just have it activated all over the place instead of just one straight.

  • Profile picture of Pyromaniac Pyromaniac said 2 years, 2 months ago:

    I seem to remember a system used in ChampCar called Push to Pass where the drivers get 60 seconds of boost to use over the race. I think that was it, no recharged every lap, no only within 1 second of a car, no can’t be used to defend position etc.

    If two cars were following closely and the second car went for the overtake using Push to Pass, the first car could either do the same to defend or let them go to save his boost for later in the race.

    I’d prefer this type of system over KERS and DRS.

  • Profile picture of Calum Calum said 2 years, 2 months ago:

    “I don’t understand why they didn’t just mechanise a flap to cover the opening for FDuct to replace the rather unsafe driver hand off wheel method.”

    because movable aero pieces or devices are/were banned is exactly why the driver operated the system with his body, combined with a very generous interpretation of “fresh air vent”.

    I meant, why not keep F-ducts in 2011 but you used a flap rather than your hand.
    Afterall, FIA have made a loophole to allow specific aero parts to be movable for the last 3 seasons – 2009 and 2010 (front wing flap) and 2011 (rear wing) – they could easily have allowed the moveable f-duct cover flap for 2011 too.

  • Profile picture of Zadak Zadak said 2 years, 2 months ago:

    @ Calum,
    it’s not very easy to see though is it,

    A rear wing that opens up can be seen from the wide shots on TV, it’s great

    Arguing for the Fduct seems to be just arguing for the sake of it. It does the same job as the DRS by extending top speed by reducing downforce.

  • Profile picture of Icthyes Icthyes said 2 years, 2 months ago:

    To be honest I’m just glad we got rid of shark-fins.

    By the way they could have done what Calum suggested since DRS is written into the rules as an exception, they could have done the same for the F-Duct. I think it would be less likely to fail too.

  • Profile picture of Herman Herman said 2 years, 2 months ago:

    Here’s my opinion on the whole thing.

    Thre’s no point in bringing back the F duct. The only reason it was good last season is because only McLaren had their’s optimised. Introduce it next season and everyone would have a good system, and if everyone can use it anywhere there’s not strategic value to having it. I’m not entirely sure how you would limit its use, and it’d would be difficult to tell who’s using it. Plus it would bring back ugly shark fins.

    KERS recharged after 2-3 laps might be a good idea, but it could be a lot less effective than DRS if drivers use all their KERS, fail to overtake and have to wait for 3 laps to overtake again.

    Here’s the thing. It’s very difficult to tell if DRS is making races better because of the overwhelming effect Pirelli tyres have on the race. One could argue if we need DRS or F duct at all. DRS was introduced really “to improve the show” but Pirelli tyres have done just that. Would we still be rating China a 10 if there was no KERS or DRS, but just Pirelli tyres? I think it’s possible we might have.

    It’s early days and I think we need to give DRS a chance over the season, but from my eyes DRS is a solution to a problem already solved.

  • Profile picture of Skett Skett said 2 years, 2 months ago:

    How about they change the rules to allow each persons kers to hold a certain amount of charge, but no other limits. This way we’d see some variation in different teams systems depending on whether they’ve gone for much more power or more duration

  • Profile picture of Scribe Scribe said 2 years, 2 months ago:

    I agree with liberalising KERS. The most damaging thing to the system are the arbitary restrictions placed on them. If you have to restrict the system do it with a budget cap and nothing else. I’d absolutley disagree with placing more restrictions on the KERS, we not want a push to pass button, few things more gimmicky than that. What will Jimmie “racing series design to cause crashes” Johnson say?

    I think we’ll come to enjoy the DRS a little bit more when we reach tracks like Spain or Valencia where dirty air really does destroy racing. Personally, I see the DRS has a stop gap solution till we see what the grand plan looks like in 2013. By which point efforts to make F1 significantly greener will be having a real effect.

  • Profile picture of AndrewTanner AndrewTanner said 2 years, 2 months ago:

    TommyB89 nailed it above. Though bad press is always going to shout louder than good press. This hepls to equalise the field and we’ve already established that in most cases DRS only allows you to get in an out-braking war.

    KERS will be interesting to see come 2013. It won’t be so much a bolt-on to the current engines and will be fully integrated, part of the package.

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