Lotus Renault vs Team Lotus (41 posts)

  • Profile picture of Prisoner Monkeys Prisoner Monkeys said 2 years, 3 months ago:

    I think Bahar and co, wanted control of the brand, with someone who potentially wasn’t going to try and buy the Lotus Group.

    I’d say he has every right to do that. Bahar controls the Lotus name, and there’s evidence to suggest that Fernandes was looking to use Lotus Racing to eventually gain control over the Lotus name. Riad Asmat, one of Lotus Racing’s senior personnel, was working with Fernandes on that front while on the Lotus Cars payroll. James Allen posted as much, and his blog is of extraordinarily high quality. I doubt he’d be taken for a ride too easily.

    And then there’s other stuff. The Lotus T125 – which was created before the T127; the names are sequential – is a track dy car styled after a Formula 1 racer. Lotus Cars was sponsoring KV Racing Technology in Indycar (and they’ll expand to two cars in 2011), and has expanded out into GP2 and GP3. They’re also looking to develop a bodykit for the Indycar ICONIC project. They’ve made the Evora available to teams looking to compete in the GT4 championship, and they’ve toyed with a push into GT2 or GT3 with one of their new models. And speaking of the new models, all of these big announcements about their entry into various forms of motorsport as a constructor or a manufacturer have co-incided with the launch of five new models to the Lotus Cars range. They’re clearly trying to relaunch the Lotus Cars name and want to use motorsport to do it. The objective is for Lotus Cars to have a presence in half a dozen forms of motorsport by the time the new cars are on the market. No doubt they would have liked to have worked with Tony Fernandes on that, but the dispute over merchandise and Fernandes’ plans to gain control of the Lotus Cars brand obviously pushed them away.

  • Profile picture of Icthyes Icthyes said 2 years, 3 months ago:

    To be honest with Group Lotus coming in I can see another Jaguar racing on our hands. I know they own none of the team but you can bet that’s their long-term aim and I think it will fall to pieces just like Ford and Jag.

  • Profile picture of Michel S. Michel S. said 2 years, 3 months ago:

    I stopped caring after the increasingly childish tweets from Fernandes, as well as losing the Chapman family’s backing.

    My favorite small teams are now Sauber and Virgin — though I don’t really like Richard Branson’s grandstanding much so probably mostly Sauber.

    As far as the two “Lotus”es — I’d be backing Renault and Kubica, and ignore its Lotus sponsorship until Group Lotus mans up and actually take up a real stake in the team rather than just an option!

  • Profile picture of Prisoner Monkeys Prisoner Monkeys said 2 years, 3 months ago:

    I’d be backing Renault and Kubica, and ignore its Lotus sponsorship until Group Lotus mans up and actually take up a real stake in the team rather than just an option!

    It has nothing to do with manning up, and everything to do with the court case. Lotus can’t buy into Renault until such time as the dispute is resolved in the courts because then Renault would be operating under licence from Lotus Cars, whilst Lotus Racing claim they have that licence. It would be an exclusivity contract, giving them sole use of the Lotus name as a constructor.

  • Profile picture of DavidS DavidS said 2 years, 3 months ago:

    It’s very much possible to support neither team.
    However, I do support Heikki and Kubica, but that doesn’t make me support the team they drive for.

    This whole saga is just two kids fighting over a toy. Both of them need to go sit in the naughty corner.

  • Profile picture of Alexi Alexi said 2 years, 3 months ago:

    Lotus Renault GP. They are the real car manufacturers. Fernandes… just bought a name so his newbie team has some acknowledgement. Give the malaysian the Brabham name instead and let Lotus race as themselves.

  • Profile picture of Dougy_D Dougy_D said 2 years, 3 months ago:

    They both have bought there way into it, with Malaysian money.

    Lotus Renault – They only sponsor the team.
    Team Lotus – They bought the name.

  • Profile picture of Michel S. Michel S. said 2 years, 3 months ago:

    Lotus can’t buy into Renault until such time as the dispute is resolved in the courts because then Renault would be operating under licence from Lotus Cars

    Not really, they’d only need that if they want to rename the chassis.

  • Profile picture of Prisoner Monkeys Prisoner Monkeys said 2 years, 3 months ago:

    http://www.motorsport.com/news/article.asp?ID=399228&FS=F1

    Group Lotus offered to settle the naming dispute with Fernandes – and Fernandes said no. He reckons it would have bankrupted them, but at least Group Lotus tried to make nice. I haven’t seen anything of the like from Fernandes.

  • Profile picture of Duchess Duchess said 2 years, 3 months ago:

    I support Heikki and Vitaly, I’m ignoring the teams now. If LRGP really didn’t give as much a crap about this naming dispute as Dany Bahar is claiming, they wouldn’t have bothered with that ridiculous “JPS-inspired” livery and pasting images of their “glorious history” everywhere some unfortunate bloke is forced to look. If Group Lotus is just a sponsor, like they’re supposed to be, they should’ve used Group Lotus colours integrated with the Renault black and yellow, or just stuck with the black and yellow IMO.

  • Profile picture of Icthyes Icthyes said 2 years, 3 months ago:

    I’m with Duchess. Group Lotus are playing a BS PR game where they can get everything they wanted without appearing to do so. Turns out people aren’t stupid.

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